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TerribleTerryTate

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I was looking at some pc games for sale in AT FS/FT forum, and I noticed someone was selling this game: Conflict Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad. I personally enjoy online military sim games but I thought that this just goes too far. Here's an article that kind of describes what I'm talking about:

Iraq War Should Not Be a Video Game
By Pedro Paulo Viegas De Sa, Pacific News Service
Posted on October 15, 2004, Printed on July 28, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20204/

Halliburton is not the only company that seeks to profit from the war in Iraq. Video game makers do, too. Kuma Reality Games' "Kuma War ? The War On Terror," which was previously only available online, will be released into stores this month.

Based on the Iraq and Afghan wars, "Kuma War" allows players to re-enact scenes of actual battles. The game includes clips of actual video news footage, satellite pictures of Iraq and publicly available reports from the military, including the killing of U.S. soldiers.
The emulation of conflicts is not a new thing in the realm of video games. Many first-person shooter games are based on the Vietnam War, or World War II. But "Kuma War" has reached a whole new level because it is not based on a conflict that happened years or decades ago ? it's modeled on a war being fought right now.

Kuma Reality Games publicists would probably say their game is a tribute to the soldiers. The Web site for "Kuma War" contains a quote by an American sergeant who states that "it's much better fighting from my PC behind a desk than actually slinging lead at each other." Kuma Reality Games also has other selections on their Web site, like mission 21, "Korea, The Enemy Within," in which South Korean soldiers try to capture invading Northern Korean spies in 1996, or "John Kerry and the Men of Swift Boat PCF-94," where the player gets to re-enact the episode in which Sen. Kerry won his Silver Star.

As in any video game, Kuma War distorts reality. Fantasy substitutes for the harshness of the real world. A bullet in the head becomes nothing more that the need to restart the game.

The missions in Kuma War each simulate a specific battle, boasting names like "Uday and Qsay Last Stand," or "Fallujah Police Station Raid." The reconstruction of these missions is not only dependent on the reproduction of real-life battle scenes collected from different fronts; it also relies on the military expertise of retired war veterans.

To me it seems the company is earning profits by exploiting the deaths of soldiers. There are families right now crying for those who will never return because they were killed in one of the actions that Kuma Reality Games now presents as entertainment.

It doesn't matter which side of the pro-war/anti-war debate you are on. Young lives are being lost daily in Iraq and Afghanistan, and this is serious, not a game. Whether you believe that American soldiers are fighting to keep America safe or that they are victims of an oil-greedy administration, many are returning in body bags. This tragedy should not be used for profit by people who most probably never saw a battlefield in their life.

Moaning and complaining will not get "Kuma War" out of stores, of course. And, unfortunately, the company just set a precedent for all the other corporations out there. We as a people and as consumers have to ask: Have we become so desensitized to images of violence and war that we can no longer take them seriously? Are we willing to watch real deaths turned into our own entertainment?

De Sa writes for Silicon Valley DeBug, the voice of young workers, writers and artists in Silicon Valley and a project of PNS. © 2005 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved. View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/20204/

I also think that these games that mimic current and ongoing battle in which American and British soldiers are dying are insulting to the men and women serving in the armed forces. I don't think we should be getting our kicks simulating the hell that they are going through. I also think it's a slap in the face to the Iraqi citizens for companies to make videogames simulating death and destruction in their country. What do you think?

If this topic was discussed before, sorry, I didn't find it in a search.
 

Todd33

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They need a cheap way to influence impresionable kids, either that or a draft.

What, you can't just respawn?
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: TerribleTerryTate
I was looking at some pc games for sale in AT FS/FT forum, and I noticed someone was selling this game: Conflict Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad. I personally enjoy online military sim games but I thought that this just goes too far. Here's an article that kind of describes what I'm talking about:

Iraq War Should Not Be a Video Game
By Pedro Paulo Viegas De Sa, Pacific News Service
Posted on October 15, 2004, Printed on July 28, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/20204/

Halliburton is not the only company that seeks to profit from the war in Iraq. Video game makers do, too. Kuma Reality Games' "Kuma War ? The War On Terror," which was previously only available online, will be released into stores this month.

Based on the Iraq and Afghan wars, "Kuma War" allows players to re-enact scenes of actual battles. The game includes clips of actual video news footage, satellite pictures of Iraq and publicly available reports from the military, including the killing of U.S. soldiers.
The emulation of conflicts is not a new thing in the realm of video games. Many first-person shooter games are based on the Vietnam War, or World War II. But "Kuma War" has reached a whole new level because it is not based on a conflict that happened years or decades ago ? it's modeled on a war being fought right now.

Kuma Reality Games publicists would probably say their game is a tribute to the soldiers. The Web site for "Kuma War" contains a quote by an American sergeant who states that "it's much better fighting from my PC behind a desk than actually slinging lead at each other." Kuma Reality Games also has other selections on their Web site, like mission 21, "Korea, The Enemy Within," in which South Korean soldiers try to capture invading Northern Korean spies in 1996, or "John Kerry and the Men of Swift Boat PCF-94," where the player gets to re-enact the episode in which Sen. Kerry won his Silver Star.

As in any video game, Kuma War distorts reality. Fantasy substitutes for the harshness of the real world. A bullet in the head becomes nothing more that the need to restart the game.

The missions in Kuma War each simulate a specific battle, boasting names like "Uday and Qsay Last Stand," or "Fallujah Police Station Raid." The reconstruction of these missions is not only dependent on the reproduction of real-life battle scenes collected from different fronts; it also relies on the military expertise of retired war veterans.

To me it seems the company is earning profits by exploiting the deaths of soldiers. There are families right now crying for those who will never return because they were killed in one of the actions that Kuma Reality Games now presents as entertainment.

It doesn't matter which side of the pro-war/anti-war debate you are on. Young lives are being lost daily in Iraq and Afghanistan, and this is serious, not a game. Whether you believe that American soldiers are fighting to keep America safe or that they are victims of an oil-greedy administration, many are returning in body bags. This tragedy should not be used for profit by people who most probably never saw a battlefield in their life.

Moaning and complaining will not get "Kuma War" out of stores, of course. And, unfortunately, the company just set a precedent for all the other corporations out there. We as a people and as consumers have to ask: Have we become so desensitized to images of violence and war that we can no longer take them seriously? Are we willing to watch real deaths turned into our own entertainment?

De Sa writes for Silicon Valley DeBug, the voice of young workers, writers and artists in Silicon Valley and a project of PNS. © 2005 Independent Media Institute. All rights reserved. View this story online at: http://www.alternet.org/story/20204/

I also think that these games that mimic current and ongoing battle in which American and British soldiers are dying are insulting to the men and women serving in the armed forces. I don't think we should be getting our kicks simulating the hell that they are going through. I also think it's a slap in the face to the Iraqi citizens for companies to make videogames simulating death and destruction in their country. What do you think?

If this topic was discussed before, sorry, I didn't find it in a search.

It is tacky but what is the real difference between this and a WWII or Vietnam sim? Just the fact those wars are done and years have passed?

btw I didnt hear a peep about the game simulating John Kerrys ventures in Vietnam.
 

Todd33

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btw I didnt hear a peep about the game simulating John Kerrys ventures in Vietnam.

It was the same game, Kuma war. It was dumb stunt to sell games. Why didn't they have a sim of Bush getting drunk and passing out?
 

outriding

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Originally posted by: Todd33
btw I didnt hear a peep about the game simulating John Kerrys ventures in Vietnam.

It was the same game, Kuma war. It was dumb stunt to sell games. Why didn't they have a sim of Bush getting drunk and passing out?


That would rule.

10 points for not puking on your self
20 points for every drink you have.
30 points for every line you do.

OMG the list is endless
 

cKGunslinger

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Originally posted by: TerribleTerryTate
I was looking at some pc games for sale in AT FS/FT forum, and I noticed someone was selling this game: Conflict Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad. I personally enjoy online military sim games but I thought that this just goes too far. Here's an article that kind of describes what I'm talking about:

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I also think that these games that mimic current and ongoing battle in which American and British soldiers are dying are insulting to the men and women serving in the armed forces. I don't think we should be getting our kicks simulating the hell that they are going through. I also think it's a slap in the face to the Iraqi citizens for companies to make videogames simulating death and destruction in their country. What do you think?

If this topic was discussed before, sorry, I didn't find it in a search.
What the difference between this an a WWII game, or a Vietnam game, or GTA? :confused:
 

Tab

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: TerribleTerryTate
I was looking at some pc games for sale in AT FS/FT forum, and I noticed someone was selling this game: Conflict Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad. I personally enjoy online military sim games but I thought that this just goes too far. Here's an article that kind of describes what I'm talking about:

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I also think that these games that mimic current and ongoing battle in which American and British soldiers are dying are insulting to the men and women serving in the armed forces. I don't think we should be getting our kicks simulating the hell that they are going through. I also think it's a slap in the face to the Iraqi citizens for companies to make videogames simulating death and destruction in their country. What do you think?

If this topic was discussed before, sorry, I didn't find it in a search.
What the difference between this an a WWII game, or a Vietnam game, or GTA? :confused:

There really isn't one, I don't have a problem with it. I don't really enjoy games portraying war as "fun". I've played just about any FPS/RTS War game imaginable and I am huge fan of movies like Platoon. They show how violent and wastefull war really is, that it should always be used as a last opition. Then again if some where to make a game where you play the terrorists and kill US Troops, I wouldn't like it but I would live with it.
 

TerribleTerryTate

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

What the difference between this an a WWII game, or a Vietnam game, or GTA? :confused:

i guess the reason why this suddenly bothered me and ww2/vietnam/etc games never have is that the others are over with and done. there have been decades for people to cope with what happened. otoh, there really isn't a difference between iraq games and gta. i guess i just felt closer connections with the fighting in iraq than on the streets in america because of personal friends overseas and not having had any domestic/gang violence affect me personally (even stranger now that i think about it).

but you are right, it is a very faint line to draw between this genre and other realistic shooter games.

 

dahunan

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: TerribleTerryTate
I was looking at some pc games for sale in AT FS/FT forum, and I noticed someone was selling this game: Conflict Desert Storm II: Back to Baghdad. I personally enjoy online military sim games but I thought that this just goes too far. Here's an article that kind of describes what I'm talking about:

--

I also think that these games that mimic current and ongoing battle in which American and British soldiers are dying are insulting to the men and women serving in the armed forces. I don't think we should be getting our kicks simulating the hell that they are going through. I also think it's a slap in the face to the Iraqi citizens for companies to make videogames simulating death and destruction in their country. What do you think?

If this topic was discussed before, sorry, I didn't find it in a search.
What the difference between this an a WWII game, or a Vietnam game, or GTA? :confused:

Because some people are CURRENTLY being muredered today, yesterday, and tomorrow in Iraq..

Nothing like desensitizing children to graphic and real killings
 

Rainsford

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There are lots of people who profit from war that belong ahead of video game makers in the list of people to get pissed off at, if you're making a list that is.
 

Velk

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Originally posted by: Tab
Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

What the difference between this an a WWII game, or a Vietnam game, or GTA? :confused:

There really isn't one, I don't have a problem with it. I don't really enjoy games portraying war as "fun". I've played just about any FPS/RTS War game imaginable and I am huge fan of movies like Platoon. They show how violent and wastefull war really is, that it should always be used as a last opition. Then again if some where to make a game where you play the terrorists and kill US Troops, I wouldn't like it but I would live with it.

Counterstrike ?