Military considering testing "hyperdrive".

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/01/06/hyperdrive/

The US military is considering testing the principle behind a type of space drive which holds the promise of reaching Mars in just three hours. The problem is, as New Scientist explains, it's entirely theoretical and many physicists admit they don't understand the science behind it.

Nonetheless, the so-called "hyperdrive" concept won last year's American Institute of Aeronautics & Astronautics award for the best nuclear and future flight paper. Among its defenders is aerospace engineer Pavlos Mikellides, from the Arizona State University in Tempe. Mikellides, who reviewed the winning paper, said: "Even though such features have been explored before, this particular approach is quite unique."

The basic concept is this: according to the paper's authors - Jochem Häuser, a physicist and professor of computer science at the University of Applied Sciences in Salzgitter and Walter Dröscher, a retired Austrian patent officer - if you put a huge rotating ring above a superconducting coil and pump enough current through the coil, the resulting large magnetic field will "reduce the gravitational pull on the ring to the point where it floats free".

The origins of this "repulsive anti-gravity force" and the hyperdrive it might power lie in the work of German scientist Burkhard Heim, who - as part of his attempts to reconcile quantum mechanics and Einstein's general theory of relativity - formulated a theoretical six-dimensioned universe by bolting on two new sub-dimensions to Einstein's generally-accepted four (three space, one time).

As New Scientist explains, Heim's two extra dimensions allowed him to couple together gravity and electromagnetism, and permits conversion of electromagnetic energy into gravitational and vice-versa - something not possible according to Einstein's four dimensions, because "you cannot change the strength of gravity simply by cranking up the electromagnetic field".

Heim, then, proposed that "a rotating magnetic field could reduce the influence of gravity on a spacecraft enough for it to take off" - an idea which caught the eye of Wernher von Braun when it was first proposed in 1959 and the rocket scientist was working on the US's Saturn launch vehicle.


The future is pretty amazing. As long as we don't blow ourselves up.





 

Uhtrinity

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If the theory is proven and it works ..... only one word to describe it ... wow.
 

BaliBabyDoc

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Certainly interesting but definitely within the highly suspect realm of theoretical physics.

I hope clearance to test this thing requires a REALLY remote location.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
If the theory is proven and it works ..... only one word to describe it ... wow.
No kidding!!

Heck, I'd volunteer to be on the first mission!!
 

Uhtrinity

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Certainly interesting but definitely within the highly suspect realm of theoretical physics.

I hope clearance to test this thing requires a REALLY remote location.



Well, the Philidelphia experiment supposedly dealt with highly intensive magentic fields, and supposedly nothing was vaporized (supposedly). :)

Just nice to see a view where our future isn't so stagnant.

 

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With this we could lauch rocks at superluminal speeds and shatter enemies anywhere!

The military has the budget to make this a wonderful tool of destruction, if it pans out.
 

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Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Certainly interesting but definitely within the highly suspect realm of theoretical physics.

I hope clearance to test this thing requires a REALLY remote location.



Well, the Philidelphia experiment supposedly dealt with highly intensive magentic fields, and supposedly nothing was vaporized (supposedly). :)

right, we will just end up throwing earth of it's orbit and we'll arrive at pluto in just under 7hrs
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Certainly interesting but definitely within the highly suspect realm of theoretical physics.

I hope clearance to test this thing requires a REALLY remote location.



Well, the Philidelphia experiment supposedly dealt with highly intensive magentic fields, and supposedly nothing was vaporized (supposedly). :)

right, we will just end up throwing earth of it's orbit and we'll arrive at pluto in just under 7hrs

It is entirely speculation, but perhaps if technological civilizations occur outside of Earth, they may progress to the point where there is a giant "oops" and each and every one wipes itself out.

Kinda funny in a way.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: conjur
Heck, I'd volunteer to be on the second mission!!
Fixed :p
Hey, I volunteered first!

You can have the sloppy seconds! :p

I suspect that if you were to pop into another universe where physical constants are different, you would find it instantly fatal.

Please be my guest and go first :p
 

Uhtrinity

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: rickn
Originally posted by: Uhtrinity
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Certainly interesting but definitely within the highly suspect realm of theoretical physics.

I hope clearance to test this thing requires a REALLY remote location.



Well, the Philidelphia experiment supposedly dealt with highly intensive magentic fields, and supposedly nothing was vaporized (supposedly). :)

right, we will just end up throwing earth of it's orbit and we'll arrive at pluto in just under 7hrs

It is entirely speculation, but perhaps if technological civilizations occur outside of Earth, they may progress to the point where there is a giant "oops" and each and every one wipes itself out.

Kinda funny in a way.


I would rather go in an oops than a Nuclear Firestorm. At least it will have been a noble oops.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: conjur
Heck, I'd volunteer to be on the second mission!!
Fixed :p
Hey, I volunteered first!You can have the sloppy seconds! :p
I suspect that if you were to pop into another universe where physical constants are different, you would find it instantly fatal.

Please be my guest and go first :p
It'd be a fun trip and if it was a failure, I wouldn't know it ;)
 

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Another chronicle of BullShzzt science. It won't work.
Of course it will! It is canabalized ET technology. Really! it was on the x-files ;)
 

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It'd be nice to leave rockets behind. I agree with Arthur C. Clarke that we're just developing the theories now, but it'll be centuries before we retire our crude rockets (whether ion or chemical.)
 

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Originally posted by: MadRat
Another chronicle of BullShzzt science. It won't work.

So quoted for every revolutionary piece of technology we have.

"Machines will not replace horses.....black magic I tell you!"


Either way, this is on the very edges of theoretical physics, and I am honestly doubtfull. Something this powerfull, would 1) not be outside of top DOD classified Info and 2) Would gain a hell of alot more press.

Though, we have created black holes at CERN which did not gather any press, so perhaps.
 

CaptnKirk

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Hell, I'll toss in a months supply of Dilithium Crystals . . . Spok can't snort them all . . .
 

Kadarin

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It's probably BS, but it certainly would be nice to see something like this actually work. Then again, if it actually did work, would the military ever declassify that fact?
 

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Correct me If I'am wrong but is'nt gravity caused by curvatures in space time ? I would assume, it can be created by any kind of known electronic forces.
 

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Originally posted by: Braznor
Correct me If I'am wrong but is'nt gravity caused by curvatures in space time ? I would assume, it can be created by any kind of known electronic forces.


From a relativistic standpoint, yes but not in quantum mechanics. That is the big problem. To reconcile relativity and quantum gravity seems to call for a deformable space time which can never deform. Rather sticky problem eh?