Militants in Europe Openly Call for Jihad and the Rule of Islam

[magomago]

Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: magomago


Europe didn't have to go through being colonized and exploited for an entire generation...so I don't see your point...

of course u don't see my point, you didn't read my post. atleast all of my post. europe was torn apart for a generation, thats far worse then any colonial bs. and of course you ignore asia, which was also colonialized and made it out ok.

I was mainly thinking of Asia...

And ifyou don't know the history of colonialism in Asia/Africa in the 1800s....please don't comment on it. I do know, and ifyou want me to educate you then I will, though you'll have to wait a while b/c I have a lot of work to do~ but when you look at what happened you'll see that the change the Europeans caused was something that occured over long periods of time that dramatically affected the area....

I'm not saying WW1 and 2 sucked...that was like "Boom" in a matter of years~ but when it was over the people were not forced right back into oppressive rulers at all...

Even for you examples of Asia where the countries are strong...it took them quite a while
-China: only now is it really starting to flex its muscles...took them 50 years just to get this far, and this is including 150 years prior to 1949 of getting screwed in the arse
-Koreas/Japan- They did make great comebacks but I can't comment as much on these two when it comes to colonialism/spheres of influence (specifically Korea~ i could on japan, but I don't wanna make 1/2 assed statements when I dont understand many things) ][oh and if you look at the sacrifices japan made to industrialize in 50 years....incredible how they stood such difficult conditions]


Remember~ when the war was over with Europe (on both counts) they ruled themselves (save with the exception of Soviet Satellites....and we know how WONDERFUL these nations when it came to growing and expanding....); and even before the war they weren't subjugated crap

Oh~ might I add in WW1 and WW2 they were called WORLD WARS because fighting took place EVERYWHERE....not just Europe

 

[AnImuS]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Perhaps the EU could contract with Israel for some nice targeted-assassinations? I hear that works well . . .

Not a bad idea, better they be dead then alive.

 

[MegaWorks]

magomago don't bother with 0roo0roo he's the biggest ignorant in AT forums

 

[0roo0roo]

I'm not saying WW1 and 2 sucked...that was like "Boom" in a matter of years~ but when it was over the people were not forced right back into oppressive rulers at all...

just how many million were killed in ww2 and 1? do you even know? it was just a little boom? how many cities were completely devastated, nothing even close was experienced in the middle east. and it wasn't equally experienced everywhere. it was very much concentrated in europe and asia.

Even for you examples of Asia where the countries are strong...it took them quite a while
-China: only now is it really starting to flex its muscles...took them 50 years just to get this far, and this is including 150 years prior to 1949 of getting screwed in the arse
-Koreas/Japan- They did make great comebacks but I can't comment as much on these two when it comes to colonialism/spheres of influence (specifically Korea~ i could on japan, but I don't wanna make 1/2 assed statements when I dont understand many things) ][oh and if you look at the sacrifices japan made to industrialize in 50 years....incredible how they stood such difficult conditions]

yes, but don't you see, china couldn't blame colonialism for its troubles. its called communism. communism isn't a result of colonialism. same as with the other countries that embraced it as with the soviets. it was only when china started opening their economy that they started to grow. do you know of india? they were under colonialism, and even got out fromunder it without mass violence. they embraced modern values and have quite a large middle class now. the fact they have many poor to this day is in large part due to their huge huge population, as with china. hong kong? oh, under the british jack boot until just recently, and is filled with success and educated/tolerant population. singapore, korea, japan etc.. all are doing quite well now. all have had sob stories in the past, as have all countries. whether one can place all blame for all problems on such sob stories for eternity is another question.

just look at saudi arabia. why are we so intwined with them? because we were chosen over the british since we didn't meddle as much and could be trusted to let them do whatever they wanted with their society as long as we got oil access. so with their fountains of gold, they got to import and build the technology and infrastructure to build their country from the us while keeping their backward culture. before the us relationship, their country was undeveloped.

and as for literacy rates,...there are single digit literacy rates for women in afganistan. and only 20-30% for some parts of egypt, the 2nd largest reciepient of us aid and in general, one has to wonder about numbers of educated anyways when so many have degrees in scripture.

whats the literacy rate for israel? 95%+. i guess its because of the holocaust, and all the arab wars against them.

magomago don't bother with 0roo0roo he's the biggest ignorant in AT forums

wow, that just blew me away. so witty and informative. you blew me away point by point with your incredible smarts!

 

[Sultan]

just how many million were killed in ww2 and 1? do you even know? it was just a little boom? how many cities were completely devastated, nothing even close was experienced in the middle east. and it wasn't equally experienced everywhere. it was very much concentrated in europe and asia.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt the whole Middle East reshaped after WW1? Splitting up of the Ottoman Caliphate, creation of Israel, blah blah blah? Are you not knowledgable about history?

and as for literacy rates,...there are single digit literacy rates for women in afganistan. and only 20-30% for some parts of egypt, the 2nd largest reciepient of us aid and in general, one has to wonder about numbers of educated anyways when so many have degrees in scripture.

First the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, then the US dumped weapons in that country and then the civil war took place, and now the US bombarded it again to the dark agaes and you are concerned about the literacy rate about women in that country?

whats the literacy rate for israel? 95%+. i guess its because of the holocaust, and all the arab wars against them.

If you're playing the comparisions game, Israel has received a total of $84 billion in US aid. Egypt has received $45.6 billion. Source Israel literacy of a population of 6.5 million, 95% (according to you). Egypts literacy rate 50%+, (lets use your figure of 20% for women) population 70 million+ (lets say 35 million women). So even at 20%, Egypt has far more literate women than ALL of Israel. Your point being what?

 

[Sultan]

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: Drift3r

Originally posted by: digitalsm

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: digitalsm
The muslims arent quite the brightest bulbs in the box, lets face it the majority of the worlds muslims are educated below a 6th grade level, which is why the are easily manipulated. The European countries are extremely xenophobic, so is Russia, and so is China. The muslims are fighting a war, they can never win.

And lets be real hear. The arab and muslim world is using the Iraq issue, but in reality, theres not a govt in the middle east that isnt sad to see Saddam gone.

educated below 6th grade LOL! were did you get that

6th grade is just an arbitrary number. But the fact remains, the vast majority of the worlds muslim population is uneducated, and dirt poor, even though their govts/dictators are extremely RICH. They support their govt who opresses them, and treats them savagly, while hating the US,

Like Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Kuwait.

I can interpert that in many ways. Clarify, and Ill make my rebuttal.

All three nations are not democracies and they have dictators or monarchies calling the shots. They are all very oppressive to pro-democracy groups, women and any other group that tries to contest their power structure. They all repress news media that they do not like and the goverment controls all if not most of the tv and news outlets.

Pakistan has an elected legislature. Saudi Arabians and Kuwaits arent complaining about their monarch. Why are you concerned?

I dont know how you are qualifying the statement that all three countries are oppressive to pro-democracy groups.

Pakistan also had a female head of government.

Censorship is carried out everywhere. We cant see the pictures of the coffins of our soldiers. Lets not talk about repressing media. Malaysia and China maintain stricter censorship. If the people from those all these countries arent complaining, why are you bothered?

 

[0roo0roo]

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasnt the whole Middle East reshaped after WW1? Splitting up of the Ottoman Caliphate, creation of Israel, blah blah blah? Are you not knowledgable about history?

yes it was.. when was world war 1? almost a hundred years ago. split up is not having your cities devastated and millions dead in ww1, and then again as recently as the 1940s. everyones got a sob story. when do the excuses end.

First the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, then the US dumped weapons in that country and then the civil war took place, and now the US bombarded it again to the dark agaes and you are concerned about the literacy rate about women in that country?

as i said, extreme example. but its not that the us or soviets who burned books women should have been taughted to read. the education of women was limited by the hand of their own people. you completely ignored egypt's 20-30% literacy rate in areas. inconvenient isn't it.

If you're playing the comparisions game, Israel has received a total of $84 billion in US aid. Egypt has received $45.6 billion. Source Israel literacy of a population of 6.5 million, 95% (according to you). Egypts literacy rate 50%+, (lets use your figure of 20% for women) population 70 million+ (lets say 35 million women). So even at 20%, Egypt has far more literate women than ALL of Israel. Your point being what?

yes, billions of dollars spent on defensive weapons it is forced to spend on being surrounded by those who would destroy it in wars of genocide. a burden for a country of only 6 million, that has to spend twice as much as egypt who has a population of 70+ million to do this. i'm sure that f16 can teach a child to read a nations literacy rate is something that takes a lot of time to change. you pretend that the people of each country have no other income or ability and just rely only on aid. egypts 70+million should be a powerhouse of atleast labour, but its gdp per capita is almost 4 times less then israel. it spends 10 times less per student then saudi arabia. and what graduates there are, there are far too many religious students who go on to be angry jobless and free of any practical skills. not to mention nations in asia don't get as much us aid and have dug themselves out of worse. at some point the blame needs to go back to the people. so stop with the excuses.

 

[CanOWorms]

A lot of these people are probably forced to take this route since European society doesn't consider them humans.