Mila Kunis: If you're not losing weight, you must not want to

[SP33Demon]

Genetics has a lot to do with it. Sure, if you starve yourself long enough you will get down to skin and bones. You don't even need to exercise. However, fatties will metabolize glucose differently than someone with perfect genetics like Mila Kunis. This is fact.

 

[VtPC83]

Some of you are missing her point entirely... She is saying that it can be incredibly hard to lose weight but those people who say they can't do it aren't trying hard enough. Shuffling schedules, eating better, waking up earlier, etc. Those are all the the 'incredibly hard' parts to working out. Whether she has more time or a personal trainer is irrelevant, her point is valid. If you want to lose weight but aren't, it's most likely because you aren't trying hard enough in some way...

 

[JackBurton]

Any physical achievement is not possible. I will never be Arnold because my body is not capable of going that far.

You mean because you don't take steroids?

 

[JackBurton]

Genetics has a lot to do with it. Sure, if you starve yourself long enough you will get down to skin and bones. You don't even need to exercise. However, fatties will metabolize glucose differently than someone with perfect genetics like Mila Kunis.

Another BS excuse.

 

[sdifox]

I don't think anyone is debating the point that it takes work to lose weight. The problem is TIME. Most people don't have much of it.

Essentially, you figure a 9 hour day at work, 1 hour or so of commuting time, 1 hour or so to prepare meals (breakfast, lunch (if you make your own), dinner), 1 hour or so to eat breakfast and dinner, and then add on any activities you have to take part in with your family. That's a minimum of 12 hours right there.

Like Fritzo was saying, Kunis doesn't have shit to do except prepare for her next movie. She has countless hours left every day to devote to getting in shape. She has the funds to pay for a trainer, a dietitian, and a number of other health related items that not everyone has access to.

That's not to say it can't be done for the average joe, as it certainly can be done, but it is not as easy for someone who work 5+ days a week, 9+ hours a day, and has familial responsibilities.

I don't think she's implying everyone get down to her size. It is not easy for her to lose 20 lb given her weight class. But for the stereotype American, it should be a lot easier.

 

[SP33Demon]

Another BS excuse.

Another person who disregards science. Prove that we all have the same metabolism and store fat to the same areas of the body. Only genetics will dictate that. Again, show me scientific proof that fat is stored to the same area, at the same rate, for everyone. I needed a good laugh today. Put up or shut up.

 

[sdifox]

shut up guy

http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/healthcare/a/tallbutfat.htm

that is old data, I am sure it's worse now.

 

[Fritzo]

While it's tougher yes, it's still possible. That lack of energy normal people have is from eating shitty and not moving. Once you break through that for a couple weeks you'll HAVE the energy to keep going and it'll be easier to do. I know I've gotten lethargic and I'm definitely getting more tired and fat. When I moved I had energy to do stuff, even though I never had a ton of time. It's a struggle because when I get home all I want to do is watch something or play a game... which means I have no time to cook. So it's a lot of reheated garbage or eating out, both of which just makes it worse. There are things like crock pots, rice cookers, etc that make cooking for yourself easier.

Anyway, yes she is making it sound like it's easy which for most people it won't be. However she's right in that you have to WANT to do it and commit to get anywhere. It's not impossible, you just have to give a shit.

When you have a full time job, that lack of energy is still there because you use up your reserves at work. I've dropped two pants sizes in the last year (weight is the same because I'm doing intense weight training), but here's a typical day for me:

-Up at 5:45, eat 15g of protien for breakfast
-Lifting from 6 to 6:45am
-Get ready for work, leave at 7:30am
-10am eat a protein bar
-12pm lunch, eat 10-15g of protien
-3pm Snack (string cheese, unsalted nuts, fruit or veggie slices, etc)
-6pm Get home, make dinner for the family (usually chicken, lean beef, or fish)
-7:30-8 (4 times a week) 10 miles on the bike trail near our house
-8:30-? Get food ready for next day's dinner.

Rest of the evening I have to putz around, but after a shower I'm dead. Saturday is my "go nuts and eat as many calories as possible" day to jumpstart my metabolism, so we usually go out to eat pizza, burgers, or whatever.

My kids are teens now so I don't have to do as much for them, but someone with preteens- there's no way you could keep up that schedule. My whole day is dedicated to work, making food, exercise, and preparing. I'm getting excellent results (my wife jokes that I'm trying out for Jersey Shore), but I won't be able to keep this up forever.

The point- keeping in shape is harder than people think.

 

[LookBehindYou]

Another person who disregards science. Prove that we all have the same metabolism and store fat to the same areas of the body. Only genetics will dictate that. Again, show me scientific proof that fat is stored to the same area, at the same rate, for everyone. I needed a good laugh today. Put up or shut up.

I don't think anyone is doubting that. It just can't be the excuse. You can't say "I have different genetics, no matter what I do I'll be fat. So I don't work out because I will always be fat anyways." Yes, we're all different and some will have to work harder than others.

I worked with a guy who was about 5'10 and somewhat cut, and he hardly exercised. In fact, he'd eat like crazy on lunch breaks and what not, he had a high metabolism.

Myself, I'm in shape now, but I have to work fucking hard for it every day. When I went to disneyworld, I took 2 weeks off from excercising and eating right. I gained 15 lbs in that two weeks, and it took another month to lose it again.

My point is, that EVERYONE can lose weight, be healthy and in shape. You just have to work hard, some more than others. That is pretty much what she was saying.

 

[SP33Demon]

The point- keeping in shape is harder than people think.

If by in shape you mean at a reasonable BMI, then not really. Just count calories for your BMR (basal metabolic rate). Eat the same exact thing everyday and you'll be fine. You want variety, you say? Not in a million years fatty!

 

[Josh]

Another person who disregards science. Prove that we all have the same metabolism and store fat to the same areas of the body. Only genetics will dictate that. Again, show me scientific proof that fat is stored to the same area, at the same rate, for everyone. I needed a good laugh today. Put up or shut up.

Sure, you may be right, but that is still no excuse. "Genetics" - fuck that. All it means is you may have to work harder than the next guy or girl. You know, my metabolism/genetics/whatever you want to call it makes me skinny as hell, I can pretty much eat anything I want and remain skinny.

I weighed maybe 130-140 lbs and was 5'9". I didn't want to be skinny, so I researched, talked to people on various forums (including these), increased my caloric intake while lifting weights 3 days a week and now I'm at a good place. 155 lbs. Body fat is very low and I'm a happy camper. I worked hard to do it and have to maintain it, it's not like I can just stop working out and stop eating correctly now that I've got to a place I want to be, but that's the whole point - dedication.

Genetics may play a role, but I've never seen anyone NOT lose weight by decreasing calories/fatty foods, eating healthier, lifting weights and throwing in cardio - show me one person that it doesn't work for and then I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. Until then, they are FUCKING LAZY.

 

[jlee]

When you have a full time job, that lack of energy is still there because you use up your reserves at work. I've dropped two pants sizes in the last year (weight is the same because I'm doing intense weight training), but here's a typical day for me:

-Up at 5:45, eat 15g of protien for breakfast
-Lifting from 6 to 6:45am
-Get ready for work, leave at 7:30am
-10am eat a protein bar
-12pm lunch, eat 10-15g of protien
-3pm Snack (string cheese, unsalted nuts, fruit or veggie slices, etc)
-6pm Get home, make dinner for the family (usually chicken, lean beef, or fish)
-7:30-8 (4 times a week) 10 miles on the bike trail near our house
-8:30-? Get food ready for next day's dinner.

Rest of the evening I have to putz around, but after a shower I'm dead. Saturday is my "go nuts and eat as many calories as possible" day to jumpstart my metabolism, so we usually go out to eat pizza, burgers, or whatever.

My kids are teens now so I don't have to do as much for them, but someone with preteens- there's no way you could keep up that schedule. My whole day is dedicated to work, making food, exercise, and preparing. I'm getting excellent results (my wife jokes that I'm trying out for Jersey Shore), but I won't be able to keep this up forever.

The point- keeping in shape is harder than people think.

But you're still doing it.

That's her point. It is possible, but people like to make excuses.

 

[actuarial]

just stop drinking soft drink and that would bring the typical American's weight down.

Two weeks ago I decided to weigh myself. I hadn't been on a scale in a year, but knew my pants were getting tighter. Weighed myself at 168 (I'm 5'8), which according to basic BMI calculators finally pushed me into the overweight category.

I prefer to be about 145-150, so I decided I needed to change something. I realized I was consuming a lot of calories in liquids drinking two glasses of milk and two cans of coke a day. I switched that to one glass of milk and 8-10 glasses of water, and also cut out my afternoon snack which was generally a chocolate bar (this was easy, the water keeps me feeling full).

I've lost 4.5 pounds so far.

 

[actuarial]

But you're still doing it.

That's her point. It is possible, but people like to make excuses.

I agree. She never claimed it was easy, just that it was possible.

She said those that couldn't lose weight weren't trying hard ENOUGH. She didn't say they weren't trying, or even that they weren't trying hard.

 

[amdhunter]

i did. it was fun.

How are you enjoying the herpes?

 

[sdifox]

Two weeks ago I decided to weigh myself. I hadn't been on a scale in a year, but knew my pants were getting tighter. Weighed myself at 168 (I'm 5'8), which according to basic BMI calculators finally pushed me into the overweight category.

I prefer to be about 145-150, so I decided I needed to change something. I realized I was consuming a lot of calories in liquids drinking two glasses of milk and two cans of coke a day. I switched that to one glass of milk and 8-10 glasses of water, and also cut out my afternoon snack which was generally a chocolate bar (this was easy, the water keeps me feeling full).

I've lost 4.5 pounds so far.

BMI wants everyone to be anorexic

it is just a very general guide line, it doesn't take several important factors into account. Ratio such as muscle/fat, torso/leg length, ethnicity,climate, etc.

 

[Stuxnet]

Seriously, the average person works a desk job and is hardly moving for the majority of their day, brining their metabolism to a screeching halt. Ms. Kunis isn't humping a desk all day long and likely isn't the one who cooks her meals with fresh ingredients from scratch.

Those of us who still manage to workout daily with our 8-to5 job, spouse, children, etc, bust our ASSES to do it. It literally becomes a second full-time job.

Is it an excuse? By definition, of course it is... but just because it's an "excuse" doesn't mean it's an invalid one. I'm living it, but I have an understanding spouse and just enough flexibility in my life to make it work, but I can absolutely see how others don't have the "give" in their lives to get the proper amount of exercise. It all sounds possible on paper, but sometimes it just isn't.

 

[mvbighead]

Some of you are missing her point entirely... She is saying that it can be incredibly hard to lose weight but those people who say they can't do it aren't trying hard enough. Shuffling schedules, eating better, waking up earlier, etc. Those are all the the 'incredibly hard' parts to working out. Whether she has more time or a personal trainer is irrelevant, her point is valid. If you want to lose weight but aren't, it's most likely because you aren't trying hard enough in some way...

The point is, she has the time in her schedule which makes it far less difficult than the average person. Time is a valuable asset. Many people have very little of it in a given day. So, do you spend 60 minutes doing cardio, or do you spend 60 minutes watching Johnny's soccer game?

The point is, Mila is in a privileged position telling less privileged folks how they're not putting forth enough effort. It's basically the same thing as the daughter of some rich guy telling someone how easy it is to make car payments when daddy is doing it for her. It's easier for you because you have far fewer obstacles in your way. Much the same as it is easier for professional athletes because their livelihoods are based on physical performance, and constantly working out to stay in shape for their careers. Point is, is much easier for someone who has the time to dedicate to physical activity. For someone who has an office job, it is far more difficult to get any physical activity in because it does not relate to your career.

And this is not to make it sound like it can't be done, it just comes with a much larger sacrifice for someone who isn't in that position of privilege. I find it very, very irritating that a guy like Bryant McKinnie was recently cut because he came into camp over weight for the Vikings. WTF guy? You have a whole offseason and you don't sit at a desk from 9-5 5 days a week. You have hours you can spend, every single day, swimming in a pool, lifting weights, and staying in shape until the season starts, so you can earn 5+ million dollars a year. Yet you gain however many pounds that forces the team's hand to cut you because you gained weight? WTF are you eating and not doing that caused you to gain so much weight?

To me, Fritzo is making a great example. He's doing it now, and losing (or maintaining) weight, but at a specific cost. It's something he may not be able to continue because it takes up a lot of his time.

Call it lazy, or whatever you want, but someone who works 9-5 should be the one making the comment Mila has. Even without a trainer or dietitian, she still has much better odds because she has that much more free time than the average joe.

 

[0roo0roo]

That's pretty narrow minded, and very naive of her to say.

She has a privileged life. I'm sure she was able to afford personal trainers, premade meals, and since she doesn't have an office to go to every day from 8-5, she's able to spend her day working out.

The average person wakes up, rushes out the door to work, has to find something to eat for lunch (and fast food choices outweigh good choices 10:1), get home around 6pm, is too tired to cook so he heats up a box of processed crap. By 7:30-8pm, you're too tired to work out, and the cycle repeats.

I've actually adjusted my schedule to eat healthy and work out daily, but it is a LOT of work, and it is very expensive. My grocery bill had nearly doubled because of all the fresh foods I have to buy.

So, she can go stuff her "it was so easy for me!" attitude. The average Joe can't afford her lifestyle, so it's a lot tougher to lose weight.

wrong...its basically laziness. instead of packing a sammich people would rather eat greasy fries and stuff, this is psychological, not economic. junk food/fast food isn't cheap. if you were really poor and counting every penny, staying thin wouldn't be an issue.
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/money/save-998year-by-bringing-your-lunch.html

 

[Fritzo]

Seriously, the average person works a desk job and is hardly moving for the majority of their day, brining their metabolism to a screeching halt. Ms. Kunis isn't humping a desk all day long and likely isn't the one who cooks her meals with fresh ingredients from scratch.

Those of us who still manage to workout daily with our 8-to5 job, spouse, children, etc, bust our ASSES to do it. It literally becomes a second full-time job.

Is it an excuse? By definition, of course it is... but just because it's an "excuse" doesn't mean it's an invalid one. I'm living it, but I have an understanding spouse and just enough flexibility in my life to make it work, but I can absolutely see how others don't have the "give" in their lives to get the proper amount of exercise. It all sounds possible on paper, but sometimes it just isn't.

It's not an excuse, it's a reason, and it's a reason that a lot of people can't work around.

 

[sdifox]

The point is, she has the time in her schedule which makes it far less difficult than the average person. Time is a valuable asset. Many people have very little of it in a given day. So, do you spend 60 minutes doing cardio, or do you spend 60 minutes watching Johnny's soccer game?

The point is, Mila is in a privileged position telling less privileged folks how they're not putting forth enough effort. It's basically the same thing as the daughter of some rich guy telling someone how easy it is to make car payments when daddy is doing it for her. It's easier for you because you have far fewer obstacles in your way. Much the same as it is easier for professional athletes because their livelihoods are based on physical performance, and constantly working out to stay in shape for their careers. Point is, is much easier for someone who has the time to dedicate to physical activity. For someone who has an office job, it is far more difficult to get any physical activity in because it does not relate to your career.

And this is not to make it sound like it can't be done, it just comes with a much larger sacrifice for someone who isn't in that position of privilege. I find it very, very irritating that a guy like Bryant McKinnie was recently cut because he came into camp over weight for the Vikings. WTF guy? You have a whole offseason and you don't sit at a desk from 9-5 5 days a week. You have hours you can spend, every single day, swimming in a pool, lifting weights, and staying in shape until the season starts, so you can earn 5+ million dollars a year. Yet you gain however many pounds that forces the team's hand to cut you because you gained weight? WTF are you eating and not doing that caused you to gain so much weight?

To me, Fritzo is making a great example. He's doing it now, and losing (or maintaining) weight, but at a specific cost. It's something he may not be able to continue because it takes up a lot of his time.

Call it lazy, or whatever you want, but someone who works 9-5 should be the one making the comment Mila has. Even without a trainer or dietitian, she still has much better odds because she has that much more free time than the average joe.

I think dietary problem is the biggest one. Fix your diet and your weight will come down gradually. Hell, you don't have to exercise any more than just your normal routine. Once you get rid of the really excess weight, then it becomes more challenging to lose more weight.


I dropped 30lb just by eating healthier and drinking less pop. My exercise is just whatever chores I gotta do. I don't have the 'exercise' time.

 

[SP33Demon]

I don't think anyone is doubting that. It just can't be the excuse. You can't say "I have different genetics, no matter what I do I'll be fat. So I don't work out because I will always be fat anyways." Yes, we're all different and some will have to work harder than others.

I worked with a guy who was about 5'10 and somewhat cut, and he hardly exercised. In fact, he'd eat like crazy on lunch breaks and what not, he had a high metabolism.

Myself, I'm in shape now, but I have to work fucking hard for it every day. When I went to disneyworld, I took 2 weeks off from excercising and eating right. I gained 15 lbs in that two weeks, and it took another month to lose it again.

My point is, that EVERYONE can lose weight, be healthy and in shape. You just have to work hard, some more than others. That is pretty much what she was saying.

Anyone can lose the weight if they eat less. Exercise is optional. The main problem is that everyone is too lazy to carry a kitchen scale to dinner like me and weigh all their food to calculate calories. Get your scale now fatties! I will even ship it (brand new in box, nice one) to you for $40 Paypal! Send me a PM!

 

[Fritzo]

wrong...its basically laziness. instead of packing a sammich people would rather eat greasy fries and stuff, this is psychological, not economic. junk food/fast food isn't cheap. if you were really poor and counting every penny, staying thin wouldn't be an issue.
http://www.lifehack.org/articles/money/save-998year-by-bringing-your-lunch.html

Are you kidding me? Fast food isn't cheap????

I can go to Burger King and get a double cheeseburger, a fry, and a drink for $3. Dollar menus are why people eat junk all the time

A turkey sandwich on whole grain with a vegetable soup from Panera is $8. A Boston Market chicken breast dinner with a drink is $9. High quality foods are expensive if you can't pack.

They're expensive even if you do pack - a pound of unprocessed turkey is $9/lb here, and whole grain wraps/bread is $2-$3. Add some fruit or a healthy side and you're still more expensive than a dollar menu.

 

[shadow9d9]

Seriously, the average person works a desk job and is hardly moving for the majority of their day, brining their metabolism to a screeching halt. Ms. Kunis isn't humping a desk all day long and likely isn't the one who cooks her meals with fresh ingredients from scratch.

Those of us who still manage to workout daily with our 8-to5 job, spouse, children, etc, bust our ASSES to do it. It literally becomes a second full-time job.

Is it an excuse? By definition, of course it is... but just because it's an "excuse" doesn't mean it's an invalid one. I'm living it, but I have an understanding spouse and just enough flexibility in my life to make it work, but I can absolutely see how others don't have the "give" in their lives to get the proper amount of exercise. It all sounds possible on paper, but sometimes it just isn't.

You don't need to work out to lose weight. Diet is 90% of weight loss.

 

[dabuddha]

shut up guy

He's not your guy buddy!