Mike Huckabee's shocking and appalling ignorance

jackschmittusa

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http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2011/03/01/huckabee_obama_kenya/index.html

Huckabee does a critique of Obama's foreign policy using complete BS.

His excuse that he meant to say Indonesia instead of Kenya is laughably transparent because of all that he concluded from the supposed Kenyan experience is not applicable to an Indonesian experience at all.

So take your pick: class A liar, or ignorant and incredibly stupid about his ignorance.

Here's a guy who wants to be President, and can do a Roseanne Roseannadanna skit while trying to be serious.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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So he said the wrong country, so what?

Obviously you as usual didn't read the article. He made many errors, it wasn't just a simple mistake.

Let's look at everything that he got wrong, shall we?

1. He didn't grow up in Kenya and was never in Kenya until visiting as an adult. He did live in Indonesia though for a few years.

2. Indonesia was a dutch colony, not British, so Huckabee's theory that Obama hates the British for their colonialism is 100% wrong too.

3. He didn't live in Indonesia with his father, it was his mother.

4. Mau Mau revolution was in Kenya, not Indonesia. Whoops again!

That is some "slip of the tongue", now isn't it?

So he can create an entire life history of Obama that is incorrect, but somehow that is just mistake? I think not.

Accidentally confusing Kenya with Indonesia would be a mistake, going on with all those factually incorrect comments is cluelessness or intentional ignorance.
 

waggy

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he made a mistake. good thing Obama has NEVER done that!

i will hold this against him like i hold obama's number of state's mistake, and all the others i forgot because the mean jack shit.
 

DesiPower

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He is a racist... white guy mocking a half black guy for his slip of tongue... what else can it be... yup, definitely racist.
 

yllus

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This is beyond making a mistake. The point he's attempting to make is idiotic beyond belief - that Obama hates Winston Churchill because his grandfather was tortured by a British-backed Kenyan regime. And it's not exactly a slip of the tongue when he's written it in a book.

Salon.com - Mike Huckabee's crimes against history

In his new book and in two media appearances this week, Mike Huckabee has argued that Barack Obama's behavior as president can be partly explained by his views of British colonial history in Kenya, where Obama's father and grandfather lived. Central to Huckabee's theory is that Obama has a different view of the 1950s-era Mau Mau uprising in Kenya than most Americans, and that that would, in turn, explain Obama's putative hatred for Winston Churchill.

Huckabee seems to be throwing around the exotic-sounding term "Mau Mau" every chance he gets, so I decided to talk to a historian about what actually happened in 1950s Kenya. The deeper one looks beneath the surface, the less sense Huckabee's narrative makes. Among other things, the suppression of the Mau Mau rebellion by the British involved the use of concentration camps and systematic torture -- so it's odd for Huckabee to be taking the British side in that conflict.

Let's first step back and take a look at what Huckabee has said. Here's the passage from Huckabee's new book "Simple Government" in which he seeks to explain why Obama returned a bust of Winston Churchill to the British government, which had given it to President Bush after 9/11 (Huckabee doesn't mention that Obama replaced the bust with an American, and a Republican, Abraham Lincoln):

The British newspaper the Daily Telegraph explained Obama's strange behavior: "Churchill has less happy connotations for Mr. Obama than for those American politicians who celebrate his wartime leadership. It was during Churchill's second premiership that Britain suppressed Kenya's Mau Mau rebellion. Kenyans allegedly tortured by the colonial regime included one Hussein Onyango Obama, the President's grandfather."

Every president is the keeper of our American narrative, "our story." He is the commander in chief, yes, but he is also commemorator in chief. Our wartime partnership with Winston Churchill and the British people is part of our story; the Mau Mau rebellion is not. When we elect a president, we entrust to him not just our security but also our story. The two are inseparable because our security depends on the story that we believe in, that inspires us, that we teach our children, and that we, as a nation, are willing to fight for.

President Obama's emphasis on his story rather than history has become symptomatic of his tenure. He is going to impose his agenda on Americans, and he doesn't care if we don't share it, don't believe in it, or don't want it.

Huckabee added in an interview Wednesday that his point was that, "due to Obama's father and grandfather it could be that [Obama's] version and view of the Mau Mau Revolution was very different than most of the people who perhaps would grow up in the United States." [Huckabee has since backed off his false claim that Obama grew up in Kenya.]

Where to begin with Huckabee's narrative? It is first of all worth noting that Obama met his father only once, when he was a 10-year-old boy, and he never met his paternal grandfather. So it's already a stretch to say that the political views of these men defined Obama's own worldview.

And I thought your Ms. Palin was embarrassing almost-candidate.
 

trenchfoot

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IMO, he coughed all that up for the FOX <--(generically speaking) faithful, because that's exactly the kind of stuff that keeps their ratings up and keeps their audience true to "the cause".

Then, according to plan, with damage already done, Mikey immmediately excuses himself for "misspeaking" everywhere else except on FOX and stations like it, leaving that myopia-induced audience still believing his lies.

I know it's just a standard Rovian tactic that FOX, et al uses with irritating regularity, but I wonder who or what is making these repubs consistently commit to these shameless and blatantly libelous shennanigans against Obama?

From everyone else's point of view, and especially the independent's, it only makes the repubs who use this tactic look cheap, desperate and idiotic.
 
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thraashman

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IMO, he coughed all that up for the FOX <--(generically speaking) faithful, because that's exactly the kind of stuff that keeps their ratings up and keeps their audience true to "the cause".

Then, according to plan, with damage already done, Mikey immmediately excuses himself for "misspeaking" everywhere else except on FOX and stations like it, leaving that myopia-induced audience still believing his lies.

I know it's just a standard Rovian tactic that FOX, et al uses with irritating regularity, but I wonder who or what is making these repubs consistently commit to these shameless and blatantly libelous shennanigans against Obama?

From everyone else's point of view, and especially the independent's, it only makes the repubs who use this tactic look cheap, desperate and idiotic.

Well, they look like what they are. So of course they look cheap, desperate and idiotic. Because in order to be a Republican, it's a requirement to be a piece of shit.
 

comptr6

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Way to tell it like it is Mike! It's time the country understands the danger Obama represents.
 

PokerGuy

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From the story it looks like he just incorrectly said that the he grew up in Kenya, pretty much everything else is correct. Just more left wing whining.
 

jackschmittusa

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PokerGuy

Your post marks you as a mindless drone IMHO.

If you can believe it was a simple mistake, well, I question your ability for rational thought.
 

thraashman

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From the story it looks like he just incorrectly said that the he grew up in Kenya, pretty much everything else is correct. Just more left wing whining.

If he had just said Kenya instead of Indonesia, I think we'd all give it to him that it was a mistake or slip of the tongue. It would've been put up there with the Obama 57 states comment that is the only thing Republicans can seem to remember about Obama. But he didn't JUST say Kenya instead of Indonesia. He made multiple comments about history that was the history of Kenya, not the history of Indonesia. I understand you are almost entirely unable to think for yourself, or really think at all. I've read enough of your posts to realize this. But read again. Slowly. I recommend having someone who's literate above a 4th grade level to help you. And maybe, just maybe you'll get it.
 

Narmer

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I can see why Republicans want to shut down the Department of Education. It's alien to them.

Seriously, is ignorance a virtue now in the Republican Party?
 

Craig234

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I posted a while ago that the Republicans have chosen a propaganda message that Obama is 'not one of us', strange, foreign, scary.

That's powerful stuff; in part, it's a sort of subsitute racism. You can't say "we oppose him because he's black", but you can say, "we oppose him for not being a real American".

That's why a phrase like "Mau Mau" would be thrown around - it sounds 'weird' and is something most Americans aren't familiar with, and it make Obama seem like some tribal Kenya with an odd obsession about some weird African revolution that whatever it's about, isn't about America, and we don't want a President who is some weird foreigner over us.

It might sound crazy, but this can be very effective propaganda.

It's made clear in his closing sentence:

He is going to impose his agenda on Americans, and he doesn't care if we don't share it, don't believe in it, or don't want it.

So the 'agenda' of Huckabee - for Republicans to get power and serve their wealthy masters against the interests of the people - is 'American', and Obama isn't.

Agenda is one of those powerful propaganda phrases the people are trained to be afraid of - 'Marxist agenda', 'gay agenda'.

You don't hear from Republicans about the 'transfer all other Americans' wealth to the very top' agenda, the anti-Democracy 'the people are a danger to the rich' agenda.

No, this is the basic 'make the people afraid of the opponent' propaganda.

The common phrase in the marketing indutry to attack a competitor is to create FUD: "Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt".

When you are looking for that, you can spot it much easier, and often recognize it as lies.

This is classic FUD against Obama: fear him and his 'secret agenda' from outside America.

This is why the 'birther' issue has such legs - not because so many people think it's true, but because it makes people have more FUD about Obama being a 'real American'.

This actually can and does affect millions of Americans' opinions - and votes.

It's too bad they don't understand the 'agenda' is those spreading the FUD - a well-funded marketing machine hired by the interests of the rich simply for gaining more money by defeating the people from selecting a candidate who is not on 'their team' to serve their 'agenda' for the rich.

Once you start looking for the FUD to make Obama seem 'foreign', 'scrary', on a 'secret agenda', you have no problem finding it.

Note how this does not require the Republicans to actually discuss any real issues, to defend their agenda for anything from war to letting Wall Street destroy the economy to destroying the middle class; they get to just run around spouting made up nonsense about 'Mau Mau' and trying to win elections by 'don't vote for the Mau Mau scary guy'.

Who cares is the Mau Mau crap has nothing to do with issues and Obama's policies are better for Americans? We didn't talk about that.

He is going to impose his agenda on Americans, and he doesn't care if we don't share it, don't believe in it, or don't want it.

Marketers know the sort of fear from that overrides rational issues. And it's about using fear to get power - and money.

Point me to three policies of Obama's after years in office that JUSTIFY fear of a secret agenda that's scary and anti-American about some Kenyan Mau Mau history.

Oh, there aren't any?

It's amazing we ever electing this scary unknown guy BEFORE he had a record as President.
No wonder it took the disaster of Bush AND an economic meltdown to elect him.

Unfortunately, it's one thing for me to expose the propaganda - but when one side has the money, and the media machine, to spread the propaganda, they can get votes with it.

What this exercise does for me is to say that Huckabee is clearly the 'stealth radical', either appearing devoid of principles and honesty, or a delusional ideologue.

He's the last type of person we should be blindly handing the presidency to, ironically he's the 'secret agenda' guy who we can't trust, despite his cultivated 'folksy' image.

This is how money - big corporate money - translates into propaganda that corrupts our politics, creating fear to take votes away from an Obama based on nonsense.

And this despite their having so much power they are big donors even to Obama 'just in case', and both parties are corrupted by the money's effects in our system.

Our democracy would be a lot healthier without the dominance of the money of the rich in our elections, where voter's opinions were not so strongly changed by massive propaganda.

It works - even something like Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize (admittedly for weak reasons) can be turned into a 'what are those foreigners in cahoots with Obama trying to do to our country' type of fear-mongering.

Or turning his popular support into something to be afraid of too, sarcastic references to 'messiah' or 'celebrity'. Those mobs are out to take your country!

Every bow Obama takes, every slightly mis-worded statement by Michelle of her being proud of the US supporting its first non-white candidate - all can be used as ammunition for this fear campaign.

The money behind this propaganda is causing the equivalent of half of Egypt supporting Mubarak because they buy his attemped propaganda that the protestors are 'anti-Egypt people out to destroy the country'.

How sad that our democracy is doing worse at being manipulated than the police state of Egypt on issues like this. Luckily, Huckabee may well lose trying this stuff, but the millions who do fall for it are still a problem.

It lets money have a good chance to change public opinion against candidates who actually are for the public interest against these monies interests.

It may sound crazy when pointed out - how can Republican marketers use money to turn a Democratic candidate into a foreign agenda outsider to be afraid of - but look at the facts.

He is going to impose his agenda on Americans, and he doesn't care if we don't share it, don't believe in it, or don't want it.

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Narmer

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When I think of Winston Churchill I think of Operation Unthinkable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable)

The guy was a nutcase and it isn't a surprise he was thrown out of office by the British people months after winning World War 2. Also, his hypocrisy towards colonies as opposed to Europeans irks me as well.
 

BoberFett

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Since when is Huckabee's ignorance shocking? I thought that was fairly obvious after the Republican primaries a couple years ago.
 

Thump553

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That's not ignorance, nor is misspeaking or an honest mistake. Any book published these days goes through factcheckers first, if for nothing else than to avoid libel claims.

What Huckabee did is fraud, pure and simple. Time to call a spade a spade.

I'm a bit shocked because I always thought Huckabee was a decent guy and honest. He must be trying to pull a John McCain type makeover to appeal to GOP/teabagger fringe elements.
 

GarfieldtheCat

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From the story it looks like he just incorrectly said that the he grew up in Kenya, pretty much everything else is correct. Just more left wing whining.

Well, it's obvious you didn't read the article (why do I feel like I am repeating myself?), and it's equally obvious that you didn't read my reply to your post that shoots down your idea.

Funny how pokertroll has such selective reading skills.
 

werepossum

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If he had just said Kenya instead of Indonesia, I think we'd all give it to him that it was a mistake or slip of the tongue. It would've been put up there with the Obama 57 states comment that is the only thing Republicans can seem to remember about Obama. But he didn't JUST say Kenya instead of Indonesia. He made multiple comments about history that was the history of Kenya, not the history of Indonesia. SNIP
Pretty much this. His whole point is built around Obama being raised in Kenya. One can make a point about Obama's dislike of European nations in general and the UK in particular based on his Dreams from my father - though from what I've seen of Obama's presidency there's as much to discount that idea as to credit it - but Huckabee clearly built an entire rationale around a completely wrong premise. Too bad, he did a very good job as Arkansas governor - although his social conservative beliefs cost him my support anyway, at least in the primary.
 

PokerGuy

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Well, it's obvious you didn't read the article (why do I feel like I am repeating myself?), and it's equally obvious that you didn't read my reply to your post that shoots down your idea.

Funny how pokertroll has such selective reading skills.

Wrong on both counts. I did read the article, and I did read your post. It's full of drivel so I ignored it, that's all.