Middle Eastern Myths
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On the gassing of the kurds it would not surprise me a bit since the village in question is inside Iraqi borders though it is close to the Iraqi/Iran border and this happened during the war. I have read quite a few stories saying that no one is realy sure who did it.
As most of that is personal opinion, many will disagree.
I will look at one comment though:
Saddamwasbad because he caused many deaths of Iraqi civilians, yet the US caused the deaths of 5,000 children a month after 1991 (up til when it doesn't say), and now they have killed more since the war we had at the beginning of this year.
I'm NOT blaming GWB Jr for this, but the US, who claim they are "freeing the Iraqi people" and stopping however many deaths. But they have also caused many deaths during their time.
Of course, many will argue that the US sanctions were needed, but how can you need to kill 5,000 children a month?
This of course is not the whole picture, as it doesn't state what caused the deaths (lack of medicine/lack of food etc), but Saddam is not the only bad guy here.
I will look at one comment though:
Saddamwasbad because he caused many deaths of Iraqi civilians, yet the US caused the deaths of 5,000 children a month after 1991 (up til when it doesn't say), and now they have killed more since the war we had at the beginning of this year.
I'm NOT blaming GWB Jr for this, but the US, who claim they are "freeing the Iraqi people" and stopping however many deaths. But they have also caused many deaths during their time.
Of course, many will argue that the US sanctions were needed, but how can you need to kill 5,000 children a month?
This of course is not the whole picture, as it doesn't state what caused the deaths (lack of medicine/lack of food etc), but Saddam is not the only bad guy here.
the whole article is one woman's view on the middle east and not a factual representation. furthermore, it is a woman who became embittered towards one side of the conflict and has set out to change it.
"I watched a Mirage jet fly over a Palestinian village that was on a hilltop on the other side of the border and watched a mushroom cloud rise over the village as the Mirage returned and flew back into Israel. I had seen pictures of atomic blasts and thought this was what it was, but the cloud was smaller."
napalm doesnt form mushroom clouds. since she is a journalist, maybe she should check out what actually happens before she reports it as fact, especially since the banana pickers who told her this probably arent munitions experts.
"The problem that Israel has with Saddam is its problem with the ideology of the Ba?ath Party, really, even though the Israelis try to personalize the matter, as the Israelis are now trying to do with Yasser Arafat, the leader of the Palestinians. It sounds better, public-relations-wise, if you want to get rid of a ?terrible dictator? as the Israelis have portrayed Saddam, and now Arafat."
uh, yeah. except that they are terrible dictators. its not like saddam shot all these missiles at israel for no reason but to provoke them, or that arafat has been waging a terrorist war against israel since the 60's. really, its all about political beliefs.
"As a momentary digression, I think it is important to reiterate the point you just made: The fact that there was never any such nation as Kuwait until the British created it by taking the land away from Iraq. That fact was hardly ever reported by the American media when Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990. hat?s right. There was never any such nation as Kuwait. It was just a little town. The Iraqis were traditionally hard to govern and they still are. They are very independent and autonomous-thinking."
uh, news flash, there werent ANY arab nation states until the british divided them up. there was the ottoman empire and there were smaller cities, ruled mostly by powerful tribes (ie: the sauds). before then, the only divisions among the arabs were there religous sect (sunni, shia) and there loyalty to a particular tribe/family.
"There was a battle in Halabja between the Iranian army and the Iraqi army. The mayor of Halabja, who is related to a man I know here in the United States, said that it was the Iranians who dropped the chemical weapons on the village?not the Iraqis?and the Kurds got caught in the cross-fire. It was not done deliberately. "
it is well known that the iraqi general now known as "chemical ali" ordered the attack on Halabja. her proof to the contrary is what an unnamed man told her.
"Iraq and Saddam have never been our enemies. They have always wanted to be our friends. The reason the Gulf War happened in 1991 is because Israel does not want a strong Arab nation in the area."
author = conspiricy theorist.
this article is a roving series of random hearsay, unattributed quotes, personal feelings about a situation and consipiricy theories.
my opinion is that this woman is a raving idiot.
edit:spelling
"I watched a Mirage jet fly over a Palestinian village that was on a hilltop on the other side of the border and watched a mushroom cloud rise over the village as the Mirage returned and flew back into Israel. I had seen pictures of atomic blasts and thought this was what it was, but the cloud was smaller."
napalm doesnt form mushroom clouds. since she is a journalist, maybe she should check out what actually happens before she reports it as fact, especially since the banana pickers who told her this probably arent munitions experts.
"The problem that Israel has with Saddam is its problem with the ideology of the Ba?ath Party, really, even though the Israelis try to personalize the matter, as the Israelis are now trying to do with Yasser Arafat, the leader of the Palestinians. It sounds better, public-relations-wise, if you want to get rid of a ?terrible dictator? as the Israelis have portrayed Saddam, and now Arafat."
uh, yeah. except that they are terrible dictators. its not like saddam shot all these missiles at israel for no reason but to provoke them, or that arafat has been waging a terrorist war against israel since the 60's. really, its all about political beliefs.
"As a momentary digression, I think it is important to reiterate the point you just made: The fact that there was never any such nation as Kuwait until the British created it by taking the land away from Iraq. That fact was hardly ever reported by the American media when Saddam invaded Kuwait in 1990. hat?s right. There was never any such nation as Kuwait. It was just a little town. The Iraqis were traditionally hard to govern and they still are. They are very independent and autonomous-thinking."
uh, news flash, there werent ANY arab nation states until the british divided them up. there was the ottoman empire and there were smaller cities, ruled mostly by powerful tribes (ie: the sauds). before then, the only divisions among the arabs were there religous sect (sunni, shia) and there loyalty to a particular tribe/family.
"There was a battle in Halabja between the Iranian army and the Iraqi army. The mayor of Halabja, who is related to a man I know here in the United States, said that it was the Iranians who dropped the chemical weapons on the village?not the Iraqis?and the Kurds got caught in the cross-fire. It was not done deliberately. "
it is well known that the iraqi general now known as "chemical ali" ordered the attack on Halabja. her proof to the contrary is what an unnamed man told her.
"Iraq and Saddam have never been our enemies. They have always wanted to be our friends. The reason the Gulf War happened in 1991 is because Israel does not want a strong Arab nation in the area."
author = conspiricy theorist.
this article is a roving series of random hearsay, unattributed quotes, personal feelings about a situation and consipiricy theories.
my opinion is that this woman is a raving idiot.
edit:spelling
Saddam apologists are like the people that claim to have seen Elvis recently. They are not operating on a full deck of cards. He was a thug, and probably deserves worse than he gets.
Next up! Josef Stalin for Sainthood! The ten million that he killed were all criminals and malcontents, the German combat pilots he trained were for crop dusting, and the mass purging of his military officer corp was trimming of the deficit.....................
Next up! Josef Stalin for Sainthood! The ten million that he killed were all criminals and malcontents, the German combat pilots he trained were for crop dusting, and the mass purging of his military officer corp was trimming of the deficit.....................
actually it was UN...(including france and germany BTW)NOT "US" sanctions, and food medicine and other supplies were sent to the people of iraq, and then were promptly warehoused by the baath socialist elite and distributed how they saw fit, i guess not many people remember all this being found, it was shown live on all the networks.
like the vast majority of socialist states(as the history of the 20th century has demonstrated), it ended up a dictatorship with the socialist political elite getting the food...the money, and living in mansions with rooms full of gold plated guns, drugs, booze and jacuzzi's while the people starved.
no one is to blame for that except the people who did it. the iraqi govt.
actually no, the supplies were not distributed well enough because of lack of UN personel to do the distrobuting because there were so little funds for that job.
and that vast majority of socialist states comment is a complete bullocks
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