Middle Class in Decline

dmcowen674

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7-23-2012

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/close...RhaWQDBHBzdGNhdANob21lBHB0A3NlY3Rpb25z;_ylv=3

A Closer Look at Middle-Class Decline



For the first time since the Great Depression, middle-class families have been losing ground for more than a decade. They, and the poor, have struggled particularly badly since the financial crisis led to a global recession in 2008.



The idea that living standards inevitably improve from one generation to the next is under threat. Many of the bedrock assumptions of American culture -- about work, progress, fairness and optimism -- are being shaken.


Since median inflation-adjusted family income peaked in 2000 at $64,232, it has fallen roughly 6 percent. You won't find another 12-year period with an income decline since the aftermath of the Depression.


This unhappy phenomenon has two major sources.



First, economic growth in this country has been relatively slow in recent years


Then of course came a deep recession that caused the economy to shrink.
In addition to the slow growth in overall size of the pie, the share that has been going to anyone but the richest Americans has been declining.



The top-earning 1 percent of households now bring home about 20 percent of total income, up from less than 10 percent 40 years ago.



The top-earning 1/10,000th of households -- each earning at least $7.8 million a year, many of them working in finance -- bring home almost 5 percent of income, up from 1 percent 40 years ago.



In the simplest terms, the relatively meager gains the American economy has produced in recent years have largely flowed to a small segment of the most affluent households, leaving middle-class and poor households with slow-growing living standards.
 

dmcowen674

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Do the 1% actually think they will continue to get away with this?

Really?

Edit:

Posts by the Rich Republicans in here show they will not be happy until the 99% are in mud huts in the U.S.

Remember how I've been saying how they hate America for over ten years?

Can that be any more clear than what you see in black and white posted by them for the world to see.

So not only do they expect to get away with it, now you know their blue print and plan for America.


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sixone

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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2011/09/how_rich_are_poor_people.html

Are poor people better off now than they were 52 years ago?

Much better, in absolute material terms. Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation recently published an analysis of the lifestyle of people below the poverty line in 21st-century America. He found that many poor people have amenities that were available only to the wealthy (if they existed at all) in 1959. The typical household at the poverty line includes air conditioning, two color televisions with a cable or satellite feed, a DVD player, and a microwave. Poor children usually have a video game system. More than 38 percent of poor people have a personal computer.

If the middle class are doing even better, where's the struggling, exactly?
 

OneOfTheseDays

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They will not. The further we descend our middle class the closer we are to outright revolt. The scales will tip back once again, but the question is will too much damage have been dealt at that point? That is my concern.

Outright greed on levels even I cannot fathom has ruined this country. The financial services industry needs to be put on a leash and severely restricted in what they are allowed to do. That won't happen until they've bled the system for all it's worth.
 

blackangst1

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They will not. The further we descend our middle class the closer we are to outright revolt. The scales will tip back once again, but the question is will too much damage have been dealt at that point? That is my concern.

Outright greed on levels even I cannot fathom has ruined this country. The financial services industry needs to be put on a leash and severely restricted in what they are allowed to do. That won't happen until they've bled the system for all it's worth.

Why direct anger towards those who cant do anything about it (businesses and rich people) and not towards those who can actually do something about it (congress)?
 

QuantumPion

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The middle class is in decline because with the amount of welfare benefits you can now recieve, being lower class is comfortable enough for many people they don't bother working to improve themselves. The same situation happened/is happening in Great Britain.
 

CaptainGoodnight

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Do the 1% actually think they will continue to get away with this?

Really?

Krugman says it best:
We're suffering not from the teething pains of some kind of structural transition that must gradually run its course but rather from an overall lack of sufficient demand - the kind of lack that could and should be cured quickly with government programs designed to boost spending ... There is growing evidence that the corrosive effects of high unemployment will cast a shadow over the economy for many years to come ... the biggest problem facing young Americans today isn't the future burden of debt ... It is, rather, the lack of jobs, which is preventing many graduates from getting started on their working lives.

Krugman's lack of demand diagnosis is correct. We have suffered from a lack of demand for over a decade now. The problem was masked by the house bubble.

The problem stems from technology and global competition, and it affects all of the high-GDP-per-person countries, including the U.S. and the countries of Europe. The percentage of corporate revenue that has gone to labor in the U.S. has been decreasing since about 1970. The decrease is not a recent phenomenon; nor is it a phenomenon that any governmental policy is likely to reverse. Nor is it a "structural" phenomenon that is caused by any defect in American business. It is a process of change that, like the Industrial Revolution, changes the nature of work quite fundamentally. Those who are trained to do the new work usually will find jobs, somewhere in the world. Those who are not trained to do the new work may find jobs, but only at lower pay.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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The middle class is in decline because with the amount of welfare benefits you can now recieve, being lower class is comfortable enough for many people they don't bother working to improve themselves. The same situation happened/is happening in Great Britain.

Yes, it's totally because of that and not because of the disappearance of middle class jobs. Seriously, give up all your money, assets, your job, don't apply for unemployment, and go on welfare. See how it is. It amazes me how disconnected from reality some people are.

My father is pretty dumb when it comes to politics, but even he admits he would be a bum if he grew up in this era.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally Posted by OneOfTheseDays
They will not. The further we descend our middle class the closer we are to outright revolt. The scales will tip back once again, but the question is will too much damage have been dealt at that point? That is my concern.

Outright greed on levels even I cannot fathom has ruined this country. The financial services industry needs to be put on a leash and severely restricted in what they are allowed to do. That won't happen until they've bled the system for all it's worth.


Why direct anger towards those who cant do anything about it (businesses and rich people) and not towards those who can actually do something about it (congress)?

Because Congress is owned by the Financial Services Industry and the rest of the Corporations. Congress is just puppets.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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Get away with what? You can't possible be this dumb. Show me one law that takes anything from the middle class and gives it to the rich?

While it's obviously an overly heavy handed remark, you also can't possibly be so dumb as to not understand who controls the flow of money and what's been done over the past 30 years or so to allow more control over it.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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There is no middle class. You can redefine it all you like but, the days of a single wage earner making enough to afford a house and family are long over.
 

Hugo Drax

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Do the 1% actually think they will continue to get away with this?

Really?


As long as food stamps,welfare,Medicaid,unemployment payments and other types of government assistance exists in addition to Cable TV and access to borrowing money (ie credit cards). Then yes they can.
 

Infohawk

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As long as food stamps,welfare,Medicaid,unemployment payments and other types of government assistance exists. Then yes they can.

Most people are not satisfied living at that level especially if they or their parents used to be at a middle-class standard of living. It's one thing if a minority of the population is screwed and the rest of the population can get away with trying not to think about it. It's quite another if the middle-class is beginning to sink. Highly unlikely they will be satisfied with food stamps instead of pushing the government to take action.
 

Matt1970

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While it's obviously an overly heavy handed remark, you also can't possibly be so dumb as to not understand who controls the flow of money and what's been done over the past 30 years or so to allow more control over it.

I would love to see how they do that. How they force all you people to work these low paying jobs. Even more so, I want to know how they made it so only 1/4 of the workforce has a college degree.
 

Infohawk

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Doesn't the prophet of doom thing ever get old ?

In a way it's too bad when dmcowen posts these stories because people are used to seeing posts about $5 gas or whatever. But beyond that, are you saying you don't think the middle class is in decline?
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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I would love to see how they do that. How they force all you people to work these low paying jobs. Even more so, I want to know how they made it so only 1/4 of the workforce has a college degree.

The people at the top bargain from an advantage. That's the simple explanation. There's a lot more to it than that, but suffice it to say as things stand the people at the top will continue to gain more at the expense of the middle and the bottom.
 

HeXen

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i think our societies behaviors and perceptions in general is what really did us in.
Poor people trying to buy things they can't afford. Too many in all the classes who can't even manage their money or live within their means.
Greed, Gluttony and Sloth imo, are the main contributors that have led us to this present day American reality.

I find it hard to blame the 1% for much when in reality, most American's in general are very greedy, full of desires and completely lazy, often times moreso than major corporations and govt.
 

AyashiKaibutsu

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i think our societies behaviors and perceptions in general is what really did us in.
Poor people trying to buy things they can't afford. Too many in all the classes who can't even manage their money or live within their means.
Greed, Gluttony and Sloth imo, are the main contributors that have led us to this present day American reality.

I find it hard to blame the 1% for much when in reality, most American's in general are very greedy, full of desires and completely lazy, often times moreso than major corporations and govt.

I find it hard to blame the bottom when you stick them in the environment they're in. You put a poor person in a town with no middle class jobs and wonder why they don't do as well as their parents and grand parents who worked hard for their money? Whole towns and cities are supposed to become engineers, financial planners, or self made people, or they're lazy bums sucking off the system.

The people in poverty aren't living the high life those disconnected from reality envision them as having.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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In a way it's too bad when dmcowen posts these stories because people are used to seeing posts about $5 gas or whatever. But beyond that, are you saying you don't think the middle class is in decline?

Since we aren't generating decent paying jobs, sure. After a bit things do get a bit old though. If as much energy were applied to solutions as complaining we might get somewhere.
 

WackyDan

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Originally Posted by OneOfTheseDays
They will not. The further we descend our middle class the closer we are to outright revolt. The scales will tip back once again, but the question is will too much damage have been dealt at that point? That is my concern.

Outright greed on levels even I cannot fathom has ruined this country. The financial services industry needs to be put on a leash and severely restricted in what they are allowed to do. That won't happen until they've bled the system for all it's worth.




Because Congress is owned by the Financial Services Industry and the rest of the Corporations. Congress is just puppets.

So you expect to change corporations and the financial services industry how?