Mid-College Crisis!

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ElFenix

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Originally posted by: rgwalt

I view college as a stepping stone and not a life experience. It can be both, but I think the primary reason to go to school is to learn skills and gain knowledge that will help you get a job, make money, and live your life. A well rounded education is important to an extent, but ultimately it will not put food on your table.

Ryan

howso?
 

Ns1

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Originally posted by: LivinLaVivaPollo
I've been tinkering with computers ever since I was in 5th grade. I figured in HS, that since I had been tinkering with computers for so long, I might as well make a career out of it. But I had no idea that there was so much crap you needed to know.

I have no shot at graduating near the top of my class because I have no motivation to do well anymore. I just want to get the hell out of here. Who wants a half-assed engineer?

welcome to my world. since i liked computers i'd figure CS would be the natural choice. f-that, proud to be aCS dropout! lol

find something you like and go with it, don't worry about the money
 

gopunk

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Originally posted by: rgwalt
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: rgwalt
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: rgwalt
Whatever you decide to do, decide quickly. The longer you wait to change your major, the tougher it will be to get caught up and graduate with your class.

Ryan

class? with many people taking 5 or 6 years i don't think theres any semblence of a class anymore

True, but I think graduating in 4 years (or less) is an important thing to strive for. Taking 5 or 6(!!!) years can get really expensive, really fast. I got out in four because my scholarships would have run out if I hadn't. If I hadn't, I would have paid for the last year or two out of pocket, and would have lost wages on top of that, making my last year or two of school cost between $50K and $100K.

Ryan


What college cost 50k a year????

I figured a college costing $10K per year, and then $40K per year in wages lost. If you take five years to do what could have been done in four, you not only have to pay to stay in school, but you've lost a year of earnings by not having a job.

Ryan

if you are going to take into account that, you should take into account other opportunity costs, such as any difference in future wages you might have by spending more time in school (not just immediate loss). not to mention any emotional benefit you might get from it (having a degree you enjoy much more, job, etc)
 

rgwalt

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: rgwalt

I view college as a stepping stone and not a life experience. It can be both, but I think the primary reason to go to school is to learn skills and gain knowledge that will help you get a job, make money, and live your life. A well rounded education is important to an extent, but ultimately it will not put food on your table.

Ryan

howso?

I had a friend that got his degree in "humanities". Arguably he got a very well rounded education. His degree let him dabble in a bit of everything. He was in school for five years because he wanted to take extra classes, and then decided he didn't want to go to graduate school. A year later he still hadn't found a job he liked that applied what he had learned. He was favored for this job, and for advancement opportunities in the company, because he had a college degree. However, he wouldn't use anything he learned in college in this job.

I know many people like this. I'm not saying this is a bad way to go. Some of them are happy, some are not. Either way though, the extra year in college didn't help them other than satisfying their intellectual curiosity. If this is important to you, and you have the money to float the bills, I say go for it. If you have to take out loans and run up debt, it isn't worth it in my opinion. While these people are putting food on their tables, it isn't necessarily due to what they learned, but rather due to the fact that they were able to show that they were capable of learning.

blah... I'm just spouting my opinion anyway, and I'm really not trying to pick a fight. I'm just trying to convey what I would do in a situation. Take it for what it is worth.

Ryan
 

gopunk

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I had a friend that got his degree in "humanities". Arguably he got a very well rounded education. His degree let him dabble in a bit of everything. He was in school for five years because he wanted to take extra classes, and then decided he didn't want to go to graduate school. A year later he still hadn't found a job he liked that applied what he had learned. He was favored for this job, and for advancement opportunities in the company, because he had a college degree. However, he wouldn't use anything he learned in college in this job.

I know many people like this. I'm not saying this is a bad way to go. Some of them are happy, some are not. Either way though, the extra year in college didn't help them other than satisfying their intellectual curiosity. If this is important to you, and you have the money to float the bills, I say go for it. If you have to take out loans and run up debt, it isn't worth it in my opinion. While these people are putting food on their tables, it isn't necessarily due to what they learned, but rather due to the fact that they were able to show that they were capable of learning.

blah... I'm just spouting my opinion anyway, and I'm really not trying to pick a fight. I'm just trying to convey what I would do in a situation. Take it for what it is worth.

Ryan

yea i think it's kind of dumb to major in something like "humanities" and not go to grad school, because chances are you will not be able to get a job in that field if you don't. that said, you don't have to major in something wishy washy like humanities to get a well-rounded education. major in something useful, but take classes that will round out your education!
 

rgwalt

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Originally posted by: gopunk
Originally posted by: rgwalt
Originally posted by: Spencer278
Originally posted by: rgwalt
Originally posted by: ElFenix
Originally posted by: rgwalt
Whatever you decide to do, decide quickly. The longer you wait to change your major, the tougher it will be to get caught up and graduate with your class.

Ryan

class? with many people taking 5 or 6 years i don't think theres any semblence of a class anymore

True, but I think graduating in 4 years (or less) is an important thing to strive for. Taking 5 or 6(!!!) years can get really expensive, really fast. I got out in four because my scholarships would have run out if I hadn't. If I hadn't, I would have paid for the last year or two out of pocket, and would have lost wages on top of that, making my last year or two of school cost between $50K and $100K.

Ryan


What college cost 50k a year????

I figured a college costing $10K per year, and then $40K per year in wages lost. If you take five years to do what could have been done in four, you not only have to pay to stay in school, but you've lost a year of earnings by not having a job.

Ryan

if you are going to take into account that, you should take into account other opportunity costs, such as any difference in future wages you might have by spending more time in school (not just immediate loss). not to mention any emotional benefit you might get from it (having a degree you enjoy much more, job, etc)

Excellent point. I'm in grad school right now, which means I gave up potentially $50K a year to be here. Now, I get paid $22K a year here, and they take care of tuition, but I'll get a PhD out of the deal when I'm done.

I guess I was trying to make the point that if I decided to change my major, I would make a decision as quickly as I could and start to work so I wouldn't have to stay in school any longer than necessary.

Ryan
 

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Majoring in CE doesn't mean that you HAVE to be an engineer as a profession. You could easily be an investment banker and make decent money, albeit with totally long work hours
 

heartsurgeon

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any fun, high paying jobs out there

sure - but you have to bring something to the table that society values...

the "best paying" job is one where you are the boss..working for someone else will generally never make you rich

that means you have to be willing to take risks with your life and financial security

you have to create a high paying job yourself, because if there is such a job "waiting out there" then a bunch of other people are going to want it,
and suddenly your high paying job is going to the person willing to do it for the least amount of pay.

be a man...be your own boss
eat what you kill!!

but if you don't kill any game..your not going to be eating very well.

why don't you take a year off college...
 

LivinLaVivaPollo

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I'm strongly considering graduate school, just so that I can maybe try something new. Does that paradigm hold true? That engineers can do anything? I want to maybe get into business, but I'm still worried about my grades. I won't have that med school approved 3.8 by any means.