Microsoft to Drop the Banner Hammer on Used Games With "Xbox 720"

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Doppel

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My PC only cost me 600 - 700 to build. I have 77 games on steam. Lets say I saved about 10 per game over what it would cost to buy on the Xbox. I just saved myself $700. There are guys who have 300 games on steam. Bottom line is if MS is going do what the rumor says then they better do what steam does to get my money. Spin it any way you want but in the end I save more money on steam.

You've put 20-30+ hours in each of those games? I have seen threads around here of people wh have dozens of steam games they have never played. I am strongly suspect that you saved any money at all with PC gaming.

I haven't met a person in years who games on a PC but then it is all about the demographic one is around.
 

ImpulsE69

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And the same can be said for ppl buying console games...so not sure what your point is...

Considering this forum alone is overflowing with PC gamers, both your comments make me scratch my head...
 

cmdrdredd

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So you know more people that game on their PC than game on their console? That's the first I've ever heard of that.

The fact of the matter is that if you're going to play a game with a friend it's more than likely going to be on a console, not a PC.

I know more people who have a PC that can play games than own a console yes. Cause people I hang out with actually need a good PC to do actual work and the gaming side is a huge bonus.
 

Jeffg010

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You've put 20-30+ hours in each of those games? I have seen threads around here of people wh have dozens of steam games they have never played. I am strongly suspect that you saved any money at all with PC gaming.

I haven't met a person in years who games on a PC but then it is all about the demographic one is around.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngau...lly-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/

Lets puts an end to who plays more games with real data. PC games seem to win out on this. If any of you got proof that the console win show me proof.

Title Total US/EU play hours July 2011 thru Jun 2012
League of Legends 1,292,502,456
World of Warcraft 622,378,909
Minecraft 371,635,651
Heroes of Newerth 184,520,156
Diablo III 172,907,605
Battlefield 3 171,852,550
MapleStory 165,503,651
StarCraft II 163,980,293
World Of Tanks 145,702,931
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 126,754,082
 

oivoodsio

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I read this and thought. "Man, that sucks. I won't be able to get used games anymore." Then I thought, "Oh yea, I don't buy used games anymore. They are almost as expensive as new game games now a days."

I was just wondering if people will miss getting used games if this rumor is true. I don't think I will myself. It has been years since I bought a used game. This is purely due to the fact that the games I wanted to purchase were only $5 to $7 dollars cheaper used vs new.

This won't fly, DRM is in use by a lot of gaming companies and they aren't making money they are losing money from it. The legality issues alone with dominating and completely forcing people to be online when gaming will crush this.

This might fly in KC where people can get 15Mbps internet for free, but not anywhere else in the U.S. This will get squashed before release, or will bring Anonymous out of 4chan again.
 

oivoodsio

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngau...lly-becomes-most-played-pc-game-in-the-world/

Lets puts an end to who plays more games with real data. PC games seem to win out on this. If any of you got proof that the console win show me proof.

Title Total US/EU play hours July 2011 thru Jun 2012
League of Legends 1,292,502,456
World of Warcraft 622,378,909
Minecraft 371,635,651
Heroes of Newerth 184,520,156
Diablo III 172,907,605
Battlefield 3 171,852,550
MapleStory 165,503,651
StarCraft II 163,980,293
World Of Tanks 145,702,931
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 126,754,082

Bf3 is the only non PC only game listed that actually has more players on PC than on Xbox or Ps3, Mw3 the pc community is 1/10 of the Xbox community alone, day 1 PC black ops 2 30,000 people online...Xbox 750,000 people. Real data front page of the game, I play both and when you list 7 pc only games v.s. 2 multiplatform games the entire reading is skewed.
 

Jeffg010

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Bf3 is the only non PC only game listed that actually has more players on PC than on Xbox or Ps3, Mw3 the pc community is 1/10 of the Xbox community alone, day 1 PC black ops 2 30,000 people online...Xbox 750,000 people. Real data front page of the game, I play both and when you list 7 pc only games v.s. 2 multiplatform games the entire reading is skewed.

So only games that are played on both platform count? Please people were saying that more people play games on the console. I showed numbers of the most played games and the PC down right wins. You are skewing the info by not counting all games.
 

cmdrdredd

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Dec 12, 2001
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So only games that are played on both platform count? Please people were saying that more people play games on the console. I showed numbers of the most played games and the PC down right wins. You are skewing the info by not counting all games.

Right. We were talking about gamers on the platform. Nothing was specified other than that.

Also people were taking my numbers in regards to steam user base way out of context. I was stating that steam has a larger user base than Xbox live. That is not all inclusive but you want to continue to defend the idea that PC gamers are rare which is incorrect. You then proclaim "I don't know any PC gamers" as if that is the barometer we all must adhere to. PC is the largest platform for gaming. That doesn't mean everyone is buying the latest call of duty garbage so posting those numbers mean nothing. Why should they? The developer doesn't care about the PC community and there are many developers who do.

When you say "oh but call of duty sells more on Xbox than anything" I say that is because many Xbox gamers are suckers and 12 year olds who can't handle a real shooter. Combine that with the fact that exclusives on the Xbox 360 are few and far between compared to any other platform, it is no wonder it sells there. There's nothing else to do.
 
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zerocool84

Lifer
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So only games that are played on both platform count? Please people were saying that more people play games on the console. I showed numbers of the most played games and the PC down right wins. You are skewing the info by not counting all games.

Hours played doesn't mean anything as less people could play a ton of hours.

I love PC gaming more but Console games sell more in total, it's just how it is, that's why Steam is making the Steam Box so it can invade console's territory.
 
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zerocool84

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http://www.engadget.com/2013/02/11/report-durango-final-specs-kinect-required/

Microsoft isn't acknowledging the development, or even the existence, of the Xbox 360's successor (codenamed "Durango"), but that isn't stopping potential details from leaking out of Redmond. The latest report comes via console overview documents (known as "white papers") provided to Kotaku by the same source who provided information on the next PlayStation (codenamed "Orbis"), and it spells out some things we've yet to hear. Namely, the console will ship with a new version of Microsoft's motion-sensing camera controller, Kinect, and that the device, "must be plugged in and calibrated for the console to even function," the piece says. The new Kinect -- which we've heard of in the past -- is said to capture up to six people at once, and an alleged image demonstrating the difference between new and old versions of the camera puts much higher specs on said device (1920x1080 color resolution, more trackable joints, improved depth resolution, etc.).

The new console is also reported to employ multitasking, enabling multiple games or apps to run concurrently, similar to mobile phones and tablets; how many apps that could mean is unclear, if true. Sony's PlayStation Vita already employs such functionality, making the claim all the less far-fetched.

The piece also states supposedly final retail hardware specs for Microsoft's next game console, including a 64-bit D3D11.x 800MHz GPU, an 8-core x64 1.6GHz 4MB L2 CPU, 8GB DDR3 RAM, 500GB of on-board memory, USB 3.0, HDMI-out, and an optical drive for 50GB discs. For its part, Microsoft's staying mum -- "We do not comment on rumors or speculation. We are always thinking about what is next for our platform, but we don't have anything further to share at this time," a Microsoft spokesperson told us -- and Sony's the only game in town with even an event scheduled in the near future.
 

purbeast0

No Lifer
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well i really hope the new kinect is wireless, because my 360 isnt anywhere near my screen, and i don't plan to run wires in the walls just to use the new xbox.

but a new version of kinect shipping with it has been known/rumored for a long time now. not sure why they said that is one of the major parts we had yet to hear.
 

American Gunner

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well i really hope the new kinect is wireless, because my 360 isnt anywhere near my screen, and i don't plan to run wires in the walls just to use the new xbox.

but a new version of kinect shipping with it has been known/rumored for a long time now. not sure why they said that is one of the major parts we had yet to hear.
I think that they were talking about the fact that it has to be plugged in for the system to run. I hate this rumor. I have no interest in Kinect, so it sucks that it has to be on if this is true.

I don't believe every rumor, but it seems funny that the ones for the Xbox are all restrictive. You have to have it connected to the internet and now you have to have it connected to Kinect. If these are true, then I wonder how gamers will take to it.
 

Anubis

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always on kinect is a privicy lawsuit waiting to happen, the potential backlash is huge on that one, same with the always on internet, they would be shooting themselfs in both feet with those 2
 

cmdrdredd

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If kinect is a requirement for the next xbox then I will buy a Wiiu instead even with no zelda or 3d mario yet. It's that simple for me. As soon as I find out if this rumor is true, and if it is I am selling my xbox 360 and going to buy a Wiiu the same day.

Sony and Nintendo for me at that point. The more I hear about these kinect crap rumors the more I want to dumb microsoft's console. It doesn't help that outside of Halo there is nothing for me to play.

That said I love Halo and would continue to support the xbox if they don't screw us all over (that's what I call this if it happens).
 
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Rakehellion

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so basically you are someone who doesn't put money in the devs pockets anyways, so i'm pretty sure you will have not have an effect on the industry.

Gamefly purchased the games firsthand for the sole purpose of lending them out.

Many people only purchase games with the intent to sell them after playing.
 

Skel

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I heard today the next Xbox pushes puppies in front of speeding cars..
 

exdeath

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Digital distribution is making this case less and less relevant.

As a collector, digital copies are worthless to me. If I happen to miss a game that only gets a month of shelf time, I want to be able to buy it later when it's out of print, that means used only, without having to pay twice for the digital copy to actually play too.

If they want to sell me a key or something for $10 fine I'll deal with it with as few modern games as I care for, but I have to have physical copies.
 
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cmdrdredd

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As a collector, digital copies are worthless to me. If I happen to miss a game that only gets a month of shelf time, I want to be able to buy it later when it's out of print, that means used only, without having to pay twice for the digital copy to actually play too.

If they want to sell me a key or something for $10 fine I'll deal with it with as few modern games as I care for, but I have to have physical copies.

This is what the industry needs to understand. I am somewhat of a collector myself. I collect fighting games. I have found almost every 2D fighter available on the dreamcast used. Obviously you cannot buy them new. As for the digital copy that's great and all but don't they realize there are people who keep the box, booklets, and even the wrapping for their games? Some collections have sold for huge dollar amounts. It's a big deal to a lot of people to have the box with the artwork and date codes etc. It's no different than someone with a large library of books on their shelf vs buying them on kindle, or someone who wants to have blu-ray copies of their favorite movies. What would we all do if 10 years from now we want to go back and play through say Uncharted? With digital only and the PS3 no longer relevant to the market, what are the chances you can go online and download it again? I'm going to say zero.
 

RedRooster

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I think at this point any console maker is going to have to phase in digital copies offering them for discounted prices to get people preferring a digital copy for cheaper and then maybe next gen(after 720) they'll have a legit excuse for dumping physical media, since it'll be down to 15% of the sales. But to jump head long into it now with no precedence would be crazy.
 

American Gunner

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I think at this point any console maker is going to have to phase in digital copies offering them for discounted prices to get people preferring a digital copy for cheaper and then maybe next gen(after 720) they'll have a legit excuse for dumping physical media, since it'll be down to 15% of the sales. But to jump head long into it now with no precedence would be crazy.
This was one thing I never understood about this gen. Sony is now pushing some games as day one digital, but they are the same price as a physical copy. That makes no sense. They didn't have to produce a disc, make a case, and print a booklet on it, or even ship it to a store but they want to charge the same price as a physical copy.
 

TallBill

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This is what the industry needs to understand. I am somewhat of a collector myself. I collect fighting games. I have found almost every 2D fighter available on the dreamcast used. Obviously you cannot buy them new. As for the digital copy that's great and all but don't they realize there are people who keep the box, booklets, and even the wrapping for their games? Some collections have sold for huge dollar amounts. It's a big deal to a lot of people to have the box with the artwork and date codes etc. It's no different than someone with a large library of books on their shelf vs buying them on kindle, or someone who wants to have blu-ray copies of their favorite movies. What would we all do if 10 years from now we want to go back and play through say Uncharted? With digital only and the PS3 no longer relevant to the market, what are the chances you can go online and download it again? I'm going to say zero.

Meh, you're a tiny tiny fraction of people who buy games. Besides, quite a few older gen games are available for digital download.
 

VirtualLarry

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Welcome to PC gaming 15 years ago...

I doubt anything will go out of print in the future, since i am sure that every game will be able to be dititally purchased. Hell maybe it will even drive game prices down, since there is no secondary market.

I've heard from some of my friends that own PS3s, that some of the more fun games that were available for purchase on PSN are no longer available, period.

Censorship is much easier when you control distribution with an iron fist (digital distribution).
 

VirtualLarry

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I think that they were talking about the fact that it has to be plugged in for the system to run. I hate this rumor. I have no interest in Kinect, so it sucks that it has to be on if this is true.

I don't believe every rumor, but it seems funny that the ones for the Xbox are all restrictive. You have to have it connected to the internet and now you have to have it connected to Kinect. If these are true, then I wonder how gamers will take to it.

Well, I read that the CIA wants to use consumer devices to spy on citizens. Perhaps this is MS's contribution to that effort.