Microsoft to Delay Windows Vista Release

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060321/ap_on_hi_te/microsoft_windows

Microsoft Corp. will delay the consumer release of its new Windows operating system until January 2007, missing the holiday sales season and throwing some PC makers and retailers into turmoil.

The delay in Windows Vista ? caused by Microsoft needing more time to enhance security and other functions ? will come as a blow to Microsoft partners who were looking forward to a new operating system to boost holiday sales.

"It's not the optimal situation, to be launching the next-generation version of Windows right after the big holdiay sales season," said analyst Joe Wilcox with Jupiter Research


Amazing. And not surprising. Missing the Christmas season.

 

[Steeplerot]

And every day more people move to apple, and no game I have found does not play fine even multiplayer on Ubuntu

Windows is more and more becoming what AOL is to the internet as far as OSes go

 

[magomago]

We will see...for Microsoft who has a monopoly missing holiday sales means little to nothing. People will still buy in the end, OEM will still buy.
As for "more people moving to apple" what is it going to do? To do a 3% marketshare from 2%?

Either way I applaud their desire to delay a release to get rid of bugs

 

[JEDIYoda]

And every day more people move to oranges, and no game I have found does not play fine even multiplayer on Umgawabee

Linux is more and more becoming what BPM is to the internet as far as OSs go

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And every day more people move to apple, and no game I have found does not play fine even multiplayer on Ubuntu

Windows is more and more becoming what AOL is to the internet as far as OSes go

Ubuntu has a long, long, long way to go before it's nearly as user-friendly as Windows (unfortunately). I've recently installed it on some friends' computers who have, for a variety of reasons, had Windows die on them. None of them has had anything but frustration, particularly with OpenOffice. As an engineer, I have to use spreadsheets and word processing every day. OpenOffice is far behind MS Office in these areas, which really sucks because the MS version has many shortcomings in and of itself. I'm not rooting for MS by any stretch, but it doesn't look like it's clsoe to being overtaken any time soon.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And every day more people move to apple, and no game I have found does not play fine even multiplayer on Ubuntu

Windows is more and more becoming what AOL is to the internet as far as OSes go

Ubuntu has a long, long, long way to go before it's nearly as user-friendly as Windows (unfortunately). I've recently installed it on some friends' computers who have, for a variety of reasons, had Windows die on them. None of them has had anything but frustration, particularly with OpenOffice. As an engineer, I have to use spreadsheets and word processing every day. OpenOffice is far behind MS Office in these areas, which really sucks because the MS version has many shortcomings in and of itself. I'm not rooting for MS by any stretch, but it doesn't look like it's clsoe to being overtaken any time soon.

I am in no way am a average user, granted this is why I pointed out it is turning out to be the AOL (grandmas way of getting online (easily).

It is the third biggest share of OS now behind mac and windows. Hopefully it keeps getting worked on.

Still though, at this point I have found some games I play run faster even though they are native windows programs, and any .exe apps I need I can just run under WINE, (I even ran IE the other day just to see if I could) so why go back?

My girlfriend installed Ubuntu twice and configured her hardware, no help from me, Ubuntu is getting pretty darn easy, she refuses to use windows -she has no training in pc stuff at all, heck I ask her about customizing the UI and stuff.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
I am in no way am a average user, granted this is why I pointed out it is turning out to be the AOL (grandmas way of getting online (easily).

It is the third biggest share of OS now behind mac and windows. Hopefully it keeps getting worked on.

Still though, at this point I have found some games I play run faster even though they are native windows programs, and any .exe apps I need I can just run under WINE, (I even ran IE the other day just to see if I could) so why go back?

My girlfriend installed Ubuntu twice and configured her hardware, no help from me, Ubuntu is getting pretty darn easy.

Agreed. Right now, I'm running a dual-boot of Ubuntu and WinXP. I use XP for work-related things, as it just saves me endless amounts of time when using Office products. I use Ubuntu for most other things.

 

[Steeplerot]

No luck running office under wine? I never tried the current version as OO always did the trick for me.

Hmmm, sounds like something to try out myself...*scratches chin*

Newest IE works fine under wine activeX too. (and spyware) I know that, I would think office would.

*wanders away from pestering neocons to tinker*

 

[3chordcharlie]

Has MS already extended XP home support? Or will XP home already be unsupported by the first day that you can buy Vista?

 

[1prophet]

I hear that Vista is supposed to incorporate very strong Digital Rights Management measures for all sorts of software and a lot of 3rd party software and entertainment (like SONY) companies are all for that since they believe it will greatly reduce piracy.

Can one legally use an application under Linux to lets say play a dvd or other software with digital rights management?

I am asking this question based on the following link.

Linux, digital rights on collision course

Has this been resolved, and does anyone think that it could legally hold back open source software ?

From link:

Fink didn't mention Microsoft by name, but the implication was clear that the software giant could prevail at the expense of open-source software because of DRM

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: magomago
We will see...for Microsoft who has a monopoly missing holiday sales means little to nothing. People will still buy in the end, OEM will still buy.
As for "more people moving to apple" what is it going to do? To do a 3% marketshare from 2%?

Either way I applaud their desire to delay a release to get rid of bugs

It means a lot to hardware vendors who will likely see lost sales. Many people will be reluctant to buy a PC for Christmas when they think it comes with an OS that is about to become obsolete.

 

[zephyrprime]

No surprise. MS is always super late with versions of windows. Sometimes they're so late, they have to release interim versions of windows.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1prophet
I hear that Vista is supposed to incorporate very strong Digital Rights Management measures for all sorts of software and a lot of 3rd party software and entertainment (like SONY) companies are all for that since they believe it will greatly reduce piracy.

Can one legally use an application under Linux to lets say play a dvd or other software with digital rights management?

I am asking this question based on the following link.

Linux, digital rights on collision course

Has this been resolved, and does anyone think that it could legally hold back open source software ?

From link:

Fink didn't mention Microsoft by name, but the implication was clear that the software giant could prevail at the expense of open-source software because of DRM

I wouldn't sweat it, people said the same thing about DVD playback, didn't take long before a "fix" was spread around.

It is not even set in stone that people will swallow the DRM crap mainstream anyway, a good reason is it takes more power to play music with DRM becasue of decrypting = shorter battery life, stuff like that does not go over well.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet
I hear that Vista is supposed to incorporate very strong Digital Rights Management measures for all sorts of software and a lot of 3rd party software and entertainment (like SONY) companies are all for that since they believe it will greatly reduce piracy.

Can one legally use an application under Linux to lets say play a dvd or other software with digital rights management?

I am asking this question based on the following link.

Linux, digital rights on collision course

Has this been resolved, and does anyone think that it could legally hold back open source software ?

From link:

Fink didn't mention Microsoft by name, but the implication was clear that the software giant could prevail at the expense of open-source software because of DRM

I wouldn't sweat it, people said the same thing about DVD playback, didn't take long before a "fix" was spread around.

It is not even set in stone that people will swallow the DRM crap mainstream anyway, a good reason is it takes more power to play music with DRM becasue of decrypting = shorter battery life, stuff like that does not go over well.

Trust me I know and you know there is a fix spread around. What about the common joe who is told he is now a criminal if he violates the DMCA since bypassing it technically is not legal?

 

[smashp]

see the second part of my sig.

Should have that tattooed on my arm every time i hear about a new great linux solution

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: 1prophet
I hear that Vista is supposed to incorporate very strong Digital Rights Management measures for all sorts of software and a lot of 3rd party software and entertainment (like SONY) companies are all for that since they believe it will greatly reduce piracy.

Can one legally use an application under Linux to lets say play a dvd or other software with digital rights management?

I am asking this question based on the following link.

Linux, digital rights on collision course

Has this been resolved, and does anyone think that it could legally hold back open source software ?

From link:

Fink didn't mention Microsoft by name, but the implication was clear that the software giant could prevail at the expense of open-source software because of DRM

I wouldn't sweat it, people said the same thing about DVD playback, didn't take long before a "fix" was spread around.

It is not even set in stone that people will swallow the DRM crap mainstream anyway, a good reason is it takes more power to play music with DRM becasue of decrypting = shorter battery life, stuff like that does not go over well.

Trust me I know and you know there is a fix spread around. What about the common joe who is told he is now a criminal if he violates the DMCA since bypassing it technically is not legal?

If it comes down to courts it is not reasonable to say they will prosecute someone for using the product in the way it was intended to be used. Just like DVD playback.

Microsoft can posture but they are not exactly on the good side of the legal system being a known monopoly and all.

This is IF the public puts up with another protection scheme hassle, people tend to not like extra stuff that makes a burden when there are simpler options. (mp3s for example instead of protected WMA's like MS swore would be the next thing.)

 

[Hyperblaze]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And every day more people move to apple, and no game I have found does not play fine even multiplayer on Ubuntu

Windows is more and more becoming what AOL is to the internet as far as OSes go

Ubuntu has a long, long, long way to go before it's nearly as user-friendly as Windows (unfortunately). I've recently installed it on some friends' computers who have, for a variety of reasons, had Windows die on them. None of them has had anything but frustration, particularly with OpenOffice. As an engineer, I have to use spreadsheets and word processing every day. OpenOffice is far behind MS Office in these areas, which really sucks because the MS version has many shortcomings in and of itself. I'm not rooting for MS by any stretch, but it doesn't look like it's clsoe to being overtaken any time soon.

There are much better distros out there then Ubuntu. I have no idea why Ubuntu is so popular around here. It's a piece of crap (in my opinion). Personally, I have gentoo on my main box and freebsd on my servers.

 

[her209]

Windows Vista + Quad-core CPUs...

 

[Moonbeam]

So what I want to know is can you play WOW on linux?

 

[mc00]

bah, another bloat OS I have been beta testing the OS just more memory hungry and more feature most newbie wont be using... .you know what I fix the most on windows base computer? spyware,ad-ware(free wallpaper,screensavers,bundle program), virus(trying to download some program on P2P turn out to be fake). ..hardware relate? once in a while.

 

[arsbanned]

Originally posted by: her209
Windows Vista + Quad-core CPUs...

Yeah, that's what you're going to need to run it.

That and 4 GB RAM.

 

[blurredvision]

Originally posted by: mc00
bah, another bloat OS I have been beta testing the OS just more memory hungry and more feature most newbie wont be using... .you know what I fix the most on windows base computer? spyware,ad-ware(free wallpaper,screensavers,bundle program), virus(trying to download some program on P2P turn out to be fake). ..hardware relate? once in a while.

Jesus, here we go again. Try and reserve your "bloated OS" comments until the final version of Vista is released. Of course the beta is bloated, they are still working on everything, and nothing is optimized yet. And the reason you only have problems nowadays with spyware, adware, and viruses is because Windows does really well with hardware. I can't remember the last time I had to deal with conflicts or the like. Also, if you've been beta-testing Vista, then you'll know about the new stuff MS is coming out with, such as Live One Care, Windows Defender, and the new security "features" that's built into the OS that kind of mimic what Linux and OSX does.

Oh, and good forbid a new operating system come out 5 years after it's predecessor and want more RAM to run. Standard RAM in OEM systems was probably 128MB 5 years ago. Now it's 512MB and rising. So don't try to use the "Vista wants more RAM! Damn you MS!!" arguement.

 

[ECUHITMAN]

Originally posted by: mc00
Jesus, here we go again. Try and reserve your "bloated OS" comments until the final version of Vista is released. Of course the beta is bloated, they are still working on everything, and nothing is optimized yet. And the reason you only have problems nowadays with spyware, adware, and viruses is because Windows does really well with hardware. I can't remember the last time I had to deal with conflicts or the like. Also, if you've been beta-testing Vista, then you'll know about the new stuff MS is coming out with, such as Live One Care, Windows Defender, and the new security "features" that's built into the OS that kind of mimic what Linux and OSX does.

Oh, and good forbid a new operating system come out 5 years after it's predecessor and want more RAM to run. Standard RAM in OEM systems was probably 128MB 5 years ago. Now it's 512MB and rising. So don't try to use the "Vista wants more RAM! Damn you MS!!" arguement.

Wow, I honestly did not know that ANYONE ever defended MS.

As with each OS MS has put out, they are great for the first year to year and a half and then you notice things start to slow down again especially when you install new more cutting edge hardware.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
So what I want to know is can you play WOW on linux?

This answer your question? Quite a few people in my guild are from europe and a few from australia that play on linux since people are moving away from M$.

Cedega or wine work fine, same framerates in linux for me on my 6600gt as windows, can't tell the difference.

I don't know about ATI cards though, I like ATI but would not touch their cards becasue they don't keep up with linux drivers, even though they are a canadian company (wtf?)

 

[outriding]

Originally posted by: Hyperblaze

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
And every day more people move to apple, and no game I have found does not play fine even multiplayer on Ubuntu

Windows is more and more becoming what AOL is to the internet as far as OSes go

Ubuntu has a long, long, long way to go before it's nearly as user-friendly as Windows (unfortunately). I've recently installed it on some friends' computers who have, for a variety of reasons, had Windows die on them. None of them has had anything but frustration, particularly with OpenOffice. As an engineer, I have to use spreadsheets and word processing every day. OpenOffice is far behind MS Office in these areas, which really sucks because the MS version has many shortcomings in and of itself. I'm not rooting for MS by any stretch, but it doesn't look like it's clsoe to being overtaken any time soon.

There are much better distros out there then Ubuntu. I have no idea why Ubuntu is so popular around here. It's a piece of crap (in my opinion). Personally, I have gentoo on my main box and freebsd on my servers.

You know I do not know why Centos does not get more recongition than it does, it is based off of RHEL. I used it home and it is by far the most stable OS I have ever seen