Microsoft reportedly demanding $15 per Android phone from Samsung

[smartpatrol]

I honestly don't see what nokia brings to the table. Even their highest end phones have hardware that would be more at home in 2009 than 2011 and they don't have any exclusive components like Super Amoled either.

It's all about build quality. I think Nokia is the only manufacturer out there whose devices are comparable to iPhone in build quality. If you've ever held the N8 then you know it's something special. It has an aluminum body, AMOLED display, Gorilla Glass over the screen, and a Carl Zeiss lens that's supposedly just about the best camera you can get in a smartphone. N9 and "Sea Ray" look to be awesome as well.

Yes, the specs for Nokia's phones are unimpressive, but that's because Symbian runs perfectly smooth on that old hardware. Obviously, when they switch to WP7, they will be using hardware that meets WP7's requirements (at least 2nd-gen Snapdragon, 512MB memory, 800x480 screen).

 

[annomander]

You registered a new account just to post that?
Are you a Microsoft/Apple shill or bot by any chance?

Please reply to the topic, not at the person.

It will be interesting what Android has infringed on

 

[badb0y]

iOS/WP7 are very efficient OS'. Just look at the iPhone 4, Android need a dual core to be as fluid/snappy as an iPhone 4. Once they put a A5 in the iPhone it's going to fly just like the iPad 2. I have never owned a WP7 but at Best Buy when I tried the Samsung WP7 phone(I think it's called Focus?), it was very smooth.

Google needs to put it's step down on these manufacturers though. Motoblur was a piece of crap on the Atrix, now that I have a real ROM this shit flies.

As for Nokia, it's probably going to be my next phone just because I want to experience owning a WP7 device. I already have an iPad so I won't miss out on owning an iPhone 5/4S/4G whatever they call it.

 

[annomander]

iOS/WP7 are very efficient OS'. Just look at the iPhone 4, Android need a dual core to be as fluid/snappy as an iPhone 4..

The problem with android is not only is it not got accelerated graphics but that its os is java based and is interpreted this is always going to take a hit against iOS and wm7 on whom their OS runs native

 

[WelshBloke]

iOS/WP7 are very efficient OS'. Just look at the iPhone 4, Android need a dual core to be as fluid/snappy as an iPhone 4. Once they put a A5 in the iPhone it's going to fly just like the iPad 2. I have never owned a WP7 but at Best Buy when I tried the Samsung WP7 phone(I think it's called Focus?), it was very smooth.

Google needs to put it's step down on these manufacturers though. Motoblur was a piece of crap on the Atrix, now that I have a real ROM this shit flies.

As for Nokia, it's probably going to be my next phone just because I want to experience owning a WP7 device. I already have an iPad so I won't miss out on owning an iPhone 5/4S/4G whatever they call it.

Nokia make nice solid hardware, it'll be interesting to see what they do with someone elses OS. Thats kind of new territory for them.


Also people need to get over the speed of the homescreen/app launcher. It does not mean that the phone is going to be any quicker running intensive apps.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Also people need to get over the speed of the homescreen/app launcher. It does not mean that the phone is going to be any quicker running intensive apps.

????

 

[Munky]

iOS/WP7 are very efficient OS'. Just look at the iPhone 4, Android need a dual core to be as fluid/snappy as an iPhone 4.

What's your definition of fluid? How fast you can zoom in and out in the browser like a kid playing with a toy? Until Apple's browser gets text reflow, it will never be in the same league as others, I don't care how smoothly it zooms.

 

[badb0y]

What's your definition of fluid? How fast you can zoom in and out in the browser like a kid playing with a toy? Until Apple's browser gets text reflow, it will never be in the same league as others, I don't care how smoothly it zooms.

I had to look up what text reflow is. Yea....no I would much rather have a browser that doesn't move at 2 fps when I want to zoom in. I don't even use the default browser in Android I use Opera Mobile lol.

 

[Mopetar]

At WWDC, Apple said iOS 5 was coming with Reader for Safari, which should produce a similar effect. Basically removes all of the ads and other clutter and just focuses on the text.

 

[Munky]

I had to look up what text reflow is. Yea....no I would much rather have a browser that doesn't move at 2 fps when I want to zoom in. I don't even use the default browser in Android I use Opera Mobile lol.

And I would much rather have a browser with text reflow than one that was coded by a 5th grader. Luckily, Opera Mobile managed to get text reflow AND smooth zoom/scroll on a lethargic 680MHz ARM11 running an ancient Symbian OS, whereas the Apple fairy couldn't do the same on magical Fruit hardware.

 

[akugami]

It's all about build quality. I think Nokia is the only manufacturer out there whose devices are comparable to iPhone in build quality. If you've ever held the N8 then you know it's something special. It has an aluminum body, AMOLED display, Gorilla Glass over the screen, and a Carl Zeiss lens that's supposedly just about the best camera you can get in a smartphone. N9 and "Sea Ray" look to be awesome as well.

Yes, the specs for Nokia's phones are unimpressive, but that's because Symbian runs perfectly smooth on that old hardware. Obviously, when they switch to WP7, they will be using hardware that meets WP7's requirements (at least 2nd-gen Snapdragon, 512MB memory, 800x480 screen).

It's not just the N8. I used to pay full retail price for Nokia phones, $400-$600, because I didn't like the choices I had with the local carriers. Nokia makes very good phones from a hardware perspective, it's the OS that has been lagging and held them back. It's not that Symbian was bad from a power perspective. The problem (which has been beaten to death) was that they didn't have a modern UI to match iOS and Android.

 

[Puddle Jumper]

It's all about build quality. I think Nokia is the only manufacturer out there whose devices are comparable to iPhone in build quality. If you've ever held the N8 then you know it's something special. It has an aluminum body, AMOLED display, Gorilla Glass over the screen, and a Carl Zeiss lens that's supposedly just about the best camera you can get in a smartphone. N9 and "Sea Ray" look to be awesome as well.

Yes, the specs for Nokia's phones are unimpressive, but that's because Symbian runs perfectly smooth on that old hardware. Obviously, when they switch to WP7, they will be using hardware that meets WP7's requirements (at least 2nd-gen Snapdragon, 512MB memory, 800x480 screen).

HTC has numerous aluminum unibody phones and AMOLED is hardly an advantage for the N8 since the resolution is so low. It is also a first generation AMOLED panel that isn't as advanced as the ones Samsung uses in their phones.

Even the N9 only has a TI OMAP 3630 SoC which is the same chip used in the Droid X that launched roughly a year ago.

I don't doubt Nokia builds quality phones but I don't see how they bring anything new our groundbreaking to the market.

 

[badb0y]

And I would much rather have a browser with text reflow than one that was coded by a 5th grader. Luckily, Opera Mobile managed to get text reflow AND smooth zoom/scroll on a lethargic 680MHz ARM11 running an ancient Symbian OS, whereas the Apple fairy couldn't do the same on magical Fruit hardware.

Agree to disagree then. it's obviously not that big of an issue or else I would have heard of it before.

 

[thescreensavers]

I think google should find out what code microsoft is sueing its partners for and change it. Its bs that google just sits back.

 

[Munky]

AMOLED is hardly an advantage for the N8 since the resolution is so low

That's blatantly false. I wouldn't trade the colors coming from my N8 display for an LCD, regardless of how many washed out pixels it has. Once you go AMOLED, everything else just pales in comparison... literally.

 

[senseamp]

Problem for Nokia is that a smartphone hardware is primarily just a screen with some stuff on the back.
I love Nokia feature phone designs. But there was a lot more to design on a feature phone. You had buttons, hinges, sliders, etc. There isn't really as much room to differentiate yourself in smartphone design. You gotta get a good screen, and no way Nokia is going to get a better screen than Samsung. Everything else is secondary. Even the few buttons are going to be virtual. Sure, Nokia can put a quality camera and Gorilla glass, but so can Samsung, and probably cheaper. But if you go to a store and see SAMOLED+ Samsung next to an LCD Nokia, you'll probably make up your mind before even considering the camera.

 

[Skel]

I think google should find out what code microsoft is sueing its partners for and change it. Its bs that google just sits back.

There's the question.. what is the code in question.. is it in android? or something the OEMs have put on afterwards? If it's something in android seems to me it had to be something the OEMs knew was there, otherwise I don't think MS would have much of a case to lean on them with.

 

[Mopetar]

And I would much rather have a browser with text reflow than one that was coded by a 5th grader. Luckily, Opera Mobile managed to get text reflow AND smooth zoom/scroll on a lethargic 680MHz ARM11 running an ancient Symbian OS, whereas the Apple fairy couldn't do the same on magical Fruit hardware.

There's no need to get so worked up about it and be inflammatory. Besides, as I mentioned, Apple is adding a feature that essentially solves the issue.

 

[Munky]

There's no need to get so worked up about it and be inflammatory. Besides, as I mentioned, Apple is adding a feature that essentially solves the issue.

Who is getting worked up? It's called hyperbole.

 

[Bateluer]

Android need a dual core to be as fluid/snappy as an iPhone 4.

No, it does not. Android gets more of a benefit from having additional RAM than it does CPU/GPU power. And greater 'smoothness', which is highly subjective, is achieved through using efficient launchers. The launchers and UIs that come with TouchWiz, Blur, and Sense are horribly bloated, poorly coded, buggy, and generally a steaming pile of crap. Install Launcher Pro or ADW, and the phone instantly because much more snappy.

The problem with android is not only is it not got accelerated graphics but that its os is java based and is interpreted this is always going to take a hit against iOS and wm7 on whom their OS runs native

The apps are programmed in Java. The OS is primarily written in C and C++.

And, once again, it needs to be pointed out that Android does have a GPU accelerated UI. This feature debuted with Gingerbread on UI transitions and animations, and fully accelerated in HoneyComb. Not sure how many times I need to point this out to people, but it always seems to be brought up in every thread about Android, no matter how many times the facts are stated.

 

[alent1234]

99.99% of people don't want to root their phone and find other launchers or whatever

 

[Mopetar]

Who is getting worked up? It's called hyperbole.

Sarcasm generally doesn't work very well on the internet as written communication lacks the necessary facial expressions and vocal cues to allow the audience to adequately determine whether a person is being sarcastic. If you want to use it, it's probably not a bad idea to drop in a few smilies D) in order to set the mood. Makes it much easier to tell if someone is attempting to be facetious.

 

[Bateluer]

99.99% of people don't want to root their phone and find other launchers or whatever

Reality doesn't support your statement. Little more credibility with rooting, but more people root than .01%, which is why Rom Manager is #4 on the Top 5 Paid Apps list on the Market.

Also, I'd wager a very large percent of people do get other launchers.

Numbers from market.android.com

Launcher Pro - 199,306 downloads
ADW.Ex(Paid) - 12,656 downloads
ADW.Lancher(free) - 58,386 downloads
Go Launcher - 91,350 downloads

And thats just the launchers I can think of off the top of my head. Fact of the matter is, people do actually like to customize their phones.

CM7 alone has 462,456 unique installs, as of 5 secs ago.

http://stats.cyanogenmod.com/

 

[alent1234]

When you look at the entire smartphone market then more than 99% of the people don't want to root

 

[alent1234]

Google doesn't charge anything for Android, nor do they make their own phones. It would be a lot more difficult to sue them, especially because they're more likely to remove the infringing parts of code once they know what they are. It's much easier to go after the handset manufacturers.

Android the OS is free but the Google apps are $15 per phone with a revenue sharing agreement where Google shares advertising revenue


This is why the cheapest tablets don't have android market on them