Microsoft loses court case with Lindows....
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911paramedic
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i hopnestly dont know what everyone is soo excited about, its a cheap ripoff of windows, there is aboslutely no innovation happening here. Linux is lame. why dont they try to make it better with new and exciting features rather then just leeching exsisting microsoft features.
<< i hopnestly dont know what everyone is soo excited about, its a cheap ripoff of windows, there is aboslutely no innovation happening here. Linux is lame. why dont they try to make it better with new and exciting features rather then just leeching exsisting microsoft features. >>
STFU Mickeysoft has leeched off more technology from other companies than the next 5 big tech companies combined. The court case was about a frivolous lawsuit, but you decided to prove your 133t fanboy status instead.
It wasn't until M$ established a research center (in the mid 90s I think) that their R&D really ramped up. Even then, basic R&D doesn't really get into products for years.
Name a major product, and it was *not* innovated in-house at Microsoft. Nor do they ever get their rip-off jobs right the first or second release, hence the old cliche in software that it's not really viable until release 3.0.
Mmm...but remember, Microsoft could still buy all of us into slavery 1,000 times before they run out of money
<< Mmm...but remember, Microsoft could still buy all of us into slavery 1,000 times before they run out of money >>
That costs too much; it's easier/cheaper to buy off the Bush administration & DoJ.
But what's your point?
<< i hopnestly dont know what everyone is soo excited about, its a cheap ripoff of windows, there is aboslutely no innovation happening here. Linux is lame. why dont they try to make it better with new and exciting features rather then just leeching exsisting microsoft features. >>
Do you know what Lindows is? Or Linux for that matter? OK, here's a brief introduction.
Linux does now leech features from Windows. Most Linux-developers feel that technologies MS uses are crude and inefficient. Both kernel-developers and other developers feel like that. MS on the other hand has leeched features from KDE for example.
Linux is Lame? Why do you say that? What makes it "lame"? You think that having an OS that gives YOU the control over it, is "lame"
Now, what is LindowsOS? Lindows is a Linux-distribution that integrates WINE (Windows emulator) in to the OS. The goal is to have a Linux-distro that can also run Windows-apps.
I can kind of see Microsoft's point about how the two names can be confused.
Aha! I'm not talking about confused on paper, as in confusing "Lindows" with "Windows", but I am talking about getting it confused when spoken.
When talking to friends and family members casually about this new product called "Lindows", most people looked at me as if I was crazy and said "But Windows has been around for a long time." I then had to explain that I said "Lindows" and not "Windows". The second people hear something that sounds remotely like "Windows", they think of "Windows" simply because it is human nature to approximate sounds and categorize them as words we are familiar with, rather than interpreting them strictly phoenetically.
So, in all honesty, I'd have to say that they chose a name that could cause quite some confusion.
In my opinion, the name "Lindows" looks and sounds dumb anyway, but that's a different argument.
Aha! I'm not talking about confused on paper, as in confusing "Lindows" with "Windows", but I am talking about getting it confused when spoken.
When talking to friends and family members casually about this new product called "Lindows", most people looked at me as if I was crazy and said "But Windows has been around for a long time." I then had to explain that I said "Lindows" and not "Windows". The second people hear something that sounds remotely like "Windows", they think of "Windows" simply because it is human nature to approximate sounds and categorize them as words we are familiar with, rather than interpreting them strictly phoenetically.
So, in all honesty, I'd have to say that they chose a name that could cause quite some confusion.
In my opinion, the name "Lindows" looks and sounds dumb anyway, but that's a different argument.
Handle,
And how many average Americans talk to geeks (no offense) like yourself who introduce Lindows or Linux to them? Frankly, 9 out of 10 wouldn't have any idea what you're talking about.
And how many average Americans talk to geeks (no offense) like yourself who introduce Lindows or Linux to them? Frankly, 9 out of 10 wouldn't have any idea what you're talking about.
<< I can kind of see Microsoft's point about how the two names can be confused.
Aha! I'm not talking about confused on paper, as in confusing "Lindows" with "Windows", but I am talking about getting it confused when spoken.
When talking to friends and family members casually about this new product called "Lindows", most people looked at me as if I was crazy and said "But Windows has been around for a long time." I then had to explain that I said "Lindows" and not "Windows". The second people hear something that sounds remotely like "Windows", they think of "Windows" simply because it is human nature to approximate sounds and categorize them as words we are familiar with, rather than interpreting them strictly phoenetically.
So, in all honesty, I'd have to say that they chose a name that could cause quite some confusion.
In my opinion, the name "Lindows" looks and sounds dumb anyway, but that's a different argument. >>
There has been a lengthy discussion about this here.
Kerouactivist
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Jeez, what's next? not being able to use the name 'Windows' for the Windows in my house? I'll have to call them 'Viewing Panes to the outside World'. I'm not a MS basher, but I'm kinda glad they lost it, they really need to get over themselves!
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<< i hopnestly dont know what everyone is soo excited about, its a cheap ripoff of windows, there is aboslutely no innovation happening here. Linux is lame. why dont they try to make it better with new and exciting features rather then just leeching exsisting microsoft features. >>
Troll. Lets go back to history class and remember that Windows is just a cheap ripoff of MacOS.
In other MS-related news:
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Microsoft 'killed Dell Linux' - States
By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
Posted: 19/03/2002 at 09:33 GMT
Microsoft sharpshooter Joachim Kempin, who was convicted of illegally shooting antelope in Montana in 1998, has been turning his guns on a more familiar target: Microsoft's own OEM customers.
The States' remedy hearing opened in DC yesterday, and States attorney Steven Kuney produced a devastating memo from Kempin, then in charge of Microsoft's OEM business, written after Judge Jackson had ordered his break-up of the company. Kempin raises the possibility of threatening Dell and other PC builders which promote Linux.
"I'm thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-Linux. ... they should do a delicate dance," Kempin wrote to Ballmer, in what is sure to be a memorable addition to the phrases ("knife the baby", "cut off the air supply") with which Microsoft enriched the English language in the first trial. Unlike those two, this is not contested.
The bullets aimed Spaghetti Western-style at the feet of the dancing OEMs translate to Microsoft withholding source code, according to the memo.
For these details we're indebted to eWeek's Darryl Taft, who unlike some his fellow reporters, appeared to stay for the afternoon session of the hearing. His account of the day's proceedings can be found here, and includes the delicious detail that late in the afternoon, Sun Microsystems was desperately trying to close the session, arguing that cross examination would reveal confidential information submitted under seal.
Reuters also mentions the Linux threat in passing, but compare and contrast with The New York Times, which doesn't. CNET and Wired simply carry the Reuters report.
Earlier memos described that it was "untenable" that a key Microsoft partner was promoting Linux. Kuney revealed that Dell disbanded its Linux business unit in early 2001. Dell quietly pulled Linux from its desktop PCs in the summer of 2001, IDG's Ashlee Vance discovered subsequently, six months after we heard Michael Dell declare his love of Linux on the desktop the previous winter.
Compaq was also mentioned in other memos, with Microsoft taking the line that OEMs should "meet demand but not help create demand" for Linux.
Kempin was Microsoft's chief OEM enforcer in the second half of the nineties, contributing a string of memorable memos to the 1998 Trial, and takes the credit for ensuring that the price of a Windows rose as the price of PCs were falling, during this period.
>>
Source. There are also some interesting links in the bottom of the page.
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Microsoft 'killed Dell Linux' - States
By Andrew Orlowski in San Francisco
Posted: 19/03/2002 at 09:33 GMT
Microsoft sharpshooter Joachim Kempin, who was convicted of illegally shooting antelope in Montana in 1998, has been turning his guns on a more familiar target: Microsoft's own OEM customers.
The States' remedy hearing opened in DC yesterday, and States attorney Steven Kuney produced a devastating memo from Kempin, then in charge of Microsoft's OEM business, written after Judge Jackson had ordered his break-up of the company. Kempin raises the possibility of threatening Dell and other PC builders which promote Linux.
"I'm thinking of hitting the OEMs harder than in the past with anti-Linux. ... they should do a delicate dance," Kempin wrote to Ballmer, in what is sure to be a memorable addition to the phrases ("knife the baby", "cut off the air supply") with which Microsoft enriched the English language in the first trial. Unlike those two, this is not contested.
The bullets aimed Spaghetti Western-style at the feet of the dancing OEMs translate to Microsoft withholding source code, according to the memo.
For these details we're indebted to eWeek's Darryl Taft, who unlike some his fellow reporters, appeared to stay for the afternoon session of the hearing. His account of the day's proceedings can be found here, and includes the delicious detail that late in the afternoon, Sun Microsystems was desperately trying to close the session, arguing that cross examination would reveal confidential information submitted under seal.
Reuters also mentions the Linux threat in passing, but compare and contrast with The New York Times, which doesn't. CNET and Wired simply carry the Reuters report.
Earlier memos described that it was "untenable" that a key Microsoft partner was promoting Linux. Kuney revealed that Dell disbanded its Linux business unit in early 2001. Dell quietly pulled Linux from its desktop PCs in the summer of 2001, IDG's Ashlee Vance discovered subsequently, six months after we heard Michael Dell declare his love of Linux on the desktop the previous winter.
Compaq was also mentioned in other memos, with Microsoft taking the line that OEMs should "meet demand but not help create demand" for Linux.
Kempin was Microsoft's chief OEM enforcer in the second half of the nineties, contributing a string of memorable memos to the 1998 Trial, and takes the credit for ensuring that the price of a Windows rose as the price of PCs were falling, during this period.
>>
Source. There are also some interesting links in the bottom of the page.
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