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ControlD

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The "free" in free software has nothing to do with price; not one single thing. It refers to the freedom to use the software as you wish. What you're referring to is "gratis", and that may or may not be free software. Free software many times is gratis, but it doesn't have to be.

With that out of the way... I use LibreOffice in a business setting, and it suits my purposes just fine.

I use Libre Office at home for some general stuff and it works fine for the most part.

For my job however it is a different story. It isn't a choice to use Office in most cases, it is a requirement. Big businesses use Office. Many of those documents passed from my customers for example are Office documents with Office only formatting, macros, etc. Libre Office or any other alternative simply isn't an option. If I get a documents from Audi for example, it is going to be made in Office. If I take it and break the formatting, lose the macros and send it back after editing in Libre Office bad things are going to happen.

I imagine there are lots of people out there in the same boat. Add to that nothing comes close to even scratching the power of Excel (my nominee for greatest program ever madel) . I don't see any free alternatives making huge inroads anytime soon.
 

Morbus

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No sympathy for the wicked, IMHO.

the awesome interface of MS Office

a LOL

And I'm not just saying it to be a troll. The interface was the single biggest drive for me to ditch MS Office seven years ago.
And of course, the ability to copy stuff properly in Calc was the single biggest drive for me to keep away from it.

hmm, I use the old µTorrent 2.2.1 (Build 25302) still and it works best for me.
I use the new builds and they're perfectly fine...

...if you disable the ads, that is.
 
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Ketchup

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....And I'm not just saying it to be a troll. The interface was the single biggest drive for me to ditch MS Office seven years ago...

No trolling detected. That is why other options are available. Having said that, knowing Office is a requirement for many jobs out there, so I believe it is in the interest of most people reading this thread to at least be familiar with it. And Office usage hasn't changed dramatically since 2007, so at last when you do take the time to learn it, the knowledge will last you a while.
 

xSauronx

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Sad that the "free" software brigade runs in here touting the shallow benefits of "free" software. Note the quotes in "Free." In a business, nothing is free. Sure the license cost is "zero" but it sure isn't free. Compatibility issues and user training for the ever changing Libreoffice suites is enough cost to make Office 2013 cost less.

Danny, the thing that really should have been done here is avoid the mess of retail licenses in a business or at the very least join then all to a single live ID up front. From there since it was planned to wipe the machine soon after, you should have told them install with no key and run for the 90 day trial. Otherwise this sounds like the typical last minute, poorly planned situation that seems to happen at all companies because most managers can't seem to plan themselves out of a paper bag. We are a larger organization and we have one "live" account that has access to the VLK site and where any off the wall retail junk ends up on for this reason.

We also have the rule that anything not registered here is "not owned" by us. We also don't allow expense reimbursement for software.

i would add microsofts licensing options dont make it easy to plan this off the cuff. you have to know ahead of time what you are getting and using and how to manage it. thats part of IT that, at least for me, was not learned in school. also see: 6 P rule
 

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i would add microsofts licensing options dont make it easy to plan this off the cuff. you have to know ahead of time what you are getting and using and how to manage it. thats part of IT that, at least for me, was not learned in school. also see: 6 P rule

Doing research on a product before purchasing and deploying? What a novel idea :p

I think as you continue your career in IT, you'll come to find that 99% of IT cannot be learned in a classroom. Every situation is different and has unique requirements, and there's never a one-size-fits-all solution. We make mistakes, we learn from them, and hopefully those mistakes are with a $100 software license and not an $80,000 phone system!
 

nemesismk2

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I usually use Microsoft Works Spreadsheet for light Spreadsheet use but would be willing to ditch Microsoft Works Spreadsheet if there was somethind else which uses xlr files?
 
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nemesismk2

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After testing LibreOffice for 2 months i am now using it ALL the time. It's great software which works very fast. what took longer than installing LibreOffice was uninstalling everything Microsoft Office related.
 

Spungo

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I use the new builds and they're perfectly fine...

...if you disable the ads, that is.
Are you guys aware that it's possible to minimize uTorrent? Stuff continues downloading even when you're not looking at it.

After testing LibreOffice for 2 months i am now using it ALL the time. It's great software which works very fast. what took longer than installing LibreOffice was uninstalling everything Microsoft Office related.
I try to use it for everything as well. There are some things that it doesn't do very well, but overall it's pretty good. It's fine for most home use. I would still use MS Office in a business though.
 

Morbus

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Are you guys aware that it's possible to minimize uTorrent? Stuff continues downloading even when you're not looking at it.
Well, you have to look at it sometimes don't you? And ads are totally unacceptable THOSE times.

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Thought to be fair, ads are totally unacceptable all the time. Everywhere. Ads are the bane of society and mental sanity. I'd loath them more than I do if I actually watched/heard/saw them more often, but when I do, every single time my stance is reinforced...
 

ZippyDan

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The problem here is you're trying to use retail licensing in a business setting. That's not to say that retail licensing with Office 2013 isn't a convoluted mess, but it's still the wrong tool for the job.

It is NOT the issue here, because the activation/registration issues are affecting normal users as well. Even if I wanted to use Office Home and Student, I should be able to change the associated Microsoft Account in case of error.

Additionally, what is wrong with using a retail licenses in a business setting? Don't act all high and mighty here because Microsoft clearly does not market their offerings that way, nor is there any warning not to use retail licenses in a business setting. In fact, Microsoft product naming directly contradicts your assertion. Look at the retail levels:

Microsoft Office Home and Student
Microsoft Office Home and Business
Microsoft Office Professional

If I'm at the level ABOVE "Business", how dare you tell me that it is a version that is "not for business" and use that as an excuse to put the blame of this horrible system on me instead of on Microsoft where it belongs. Open licenses and volume licenses are generally referred to as "Enterprise" or "Corporate" level licensing, which is just a specific kind of larger business. It certainly does not mean that retail licenses are the wrong solution for businesses, and your assertion is not support by any Microsoft materials. Retail licenses, open licenses, and 365 licenses are all options that are valid for a business.

Either get your business on an appropriate Office365 plan, or get yourself an open license key for Office 2013 for the imaging rights. The minimum company size for an open license plan is *five users*. Then you toss all those little OEM Office keys in a box in the closet and install on all PCs with the single open key you were provided.

But Office 365 really is where things are moving. They're doing massive backend improvements monthly, and odds are the next version of office will *only* come as part of the 365 plan.

Again, I've crunched the numbers, and getting an open license or a 365 license will cost the company 150% to 200% more in license costs over the next 8 years.

Danny, the thing that really should have been done here is avoid the mess of retail licenses in a business or at the very least join then all to a single live ID up front.

When I purchased that first copy of Office 2013, I didn't even know it had to be associated to a Live ID. Afterwards, my research indicated a single Live ID could only support 5 retail licenses, though I'm still not sure what the truth is there.

From there since it was planned to wipe the machine soon after, you should have told them install with no key and run for the 90 day trial.

There is a trial version of Office available for download, but the version that you install from a key actually only runs for 5 days before expiring.

Otherwise this sounds like the typical last minute, poorly planned situation that seems to happen at all companies because most managers can't seem to plan themselves out of a paper bag.

We have hundreds of Microsoft licenses from about 45 years in operation. I've never had the experience where a retail key was permanently associated to a Microsoft Account, so it wasn't even a possibility that entered my mind. Microsoft should have a warning when they ask you to sign in with your Microsoft ID that the license will be permanently and irrevocably associated with the ID when you sign in. Then, the user would have called me first.

Even as a technologically knowledgeable person, without such a warning, I probably wouldn't have even thought twice about signing in myself and might have used my own personal account instead of the corporate account. Many sites ask you to sign in before downloading software. That doesn't mean licenses are about to get linked. There is no indication that signing in is creating a permanent link when you go to download the Office installer. The Microsoft forums are full of people with similar situations.

This one is the winner. Run a business with business licenses.

Microsoft Office Professional 2013 Retail IS a business license, and I challenge you to show me any official Microsoft documentation stating otherwise. "Corporate" and "Enterprise" are specific types of businesses, but it doesn't make Professional somehow for home use only.
 

gmaster456

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Ever since 2013 Office licensing has become a convoluted mess. Finally caved and deployed 365 but that really didn't make anything easier.
 

lopri

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Absolutely and positively sympathize with the OP's feelings. I had my share of experiences dealing with MS in the past, and each and every one of them was my defeat. (Windows, Zune, Technet subscription, and Games for Windows license) None of them I would call consumer-friendly or even fair. I walked away from them and did not look back.

I suggest you find an alternative. It is better off unless your work requires very specific MS products.