Mickey Avalon is the next big white rapper

[desura]

though he rips off Billy Squier pretty hard. This is sounding kinda like early Beastie Boys. Weird thing is dude raps about being a heroin addict and being a male prostitute. Has videos full of voluptuous women. STD's abound.

Music today really sucks.

 

[nakedfrog]

Music today really sucks.

No it doesn't.

 

[lxskllr]

It's my theory that rap was invented cause blacks got tired of whitey ripping off their music. They came up with something so offensive, they assumed they'd never get ripped off, but...

 

[Crono]

Who was the last big one, G-Eazy? Macklemore?

 

[desura]

It's my theory that rap was invented cause blacks got tired of whitey ripping off their music. They came up with something so offensive, they assumed they'd never get ripped off, but...

Funny thing, I was talking to a white rapper the other day. He said that he couldn't sing, so he decided to rap.

I'm really sick of rap. It is not as awe-inspiring as singing, and has this masculine toxicity to it that is anti-humanism. Most lyrics I hear the young kids singing along to are awful, celebrating degeneracy.

 

[pcgeek11]

Face it "rap" sucks. When black people do it, White people are even worse.

 

[Dr. Detroit]

RiffRaff has the best white rapper on lock down right now -

 

[Triloby]

Implying that music of yesteryear was somehow way better.

 

[KMFJD]

RiffRaff has the best white rapper on lock down right now -

feels like you can catch some type of disease just watching him so he's at least got that working for him, sound wise it's nothing special to me though

 

[lxskllr]

Implying that music of yesteryear was somehow way better.

 

[pcgeek11]

Implying that music of yesteryear was somehow way better.

Comparing Rap to Music is like comparing dog shlt to ice cream.

 

[smackababy]

ITT: people who don't understand the complexity of writing and delivering any kind of spoken word.

 

[Triloby]

If dirty lyrics is your beef with modern music, then it's good to know that they didn't exist before the 60's...

 

[lxskllr]

If dirty lyrics is your beef with modern music, then it's good to know that they didn't exist before the 60's...

No, my beef is shitty non-musical "music". Non-musicians, and non-singers somehow make money in the music industry. There isn't a rapper alive or dead qualified to clean Coltrane's(a single example of many) toilet, much less compete on musical ability.

 

[skull]

Upchurch is the best, way better lyrics than most rappers.

 

[nakedfrog]

Bunch of dumb shit in this thread (unsurprisingly).

No, my beef is shitty non-musical "music". Non-musicians, and non-singers somehow make money in the music industry. There isn't a rapper alive or dead qualified to clean Coltrane's(a single example of many) toilet, much less compete on musical ability.

Most of the people making most of the money in the music industry are not musicians or singers, as it has been for decades.

 

[pcgeek11]

Bunch of dumb shit in this thread (unsurprisingly).

Most of the people making most of the money in the music industry are not musicians or singers, as it has been for decades.

It really doesn't matter who is making the money. "Rappin" is not Music. That is the point.

 

[smackababy]

It really doesn't matter who is making the money. "Rappin" is not Music. That is the point.

Except, that isn't the point. Your entire argument is "someone is making music I don't like that is relevant to a culture I don't understand." Playing instruments and singing are not requirements of being music. You sound like every generation that doesn't like the music of the one younger than them.

If you truly think rap has little skill involved, please write me a verse. You don't even need to rap it in any rhythm or have the delivery required to make it SOUND good; you just have to write a small verse. And, that isn't even asking you to write something that comes close to what would be a "Coltrane-esque figure of rap".

 

[desura]

Except, that isn't the point. Your entire argument is "someone is making music I don't like that is relevant to a culture I don't understand." Playing instruments and singing are not requirements of being music. You sound like every generation that doesn't like the music of the one younger than them.

If you truly think rap has little skill involved, please write me a verse. You don't even need to rap it in any rhythm or have the delivery required to make it SOUND good; you just have to write a small verse. And, that isn't even asking you to write something that comes close to what would be a "Coltrane-esque figure of rap".

Well, I'm talking strictly on an aesthetic level. I acknowledge that rap takes a certain dedication and skill. What I have been coming to believe is that on an aesthetic level, rap sucks. I think that lots of people like rap for the wrong reasons and without really thinking about it.

If you think about it, rappers always use the lower vocal range. You never get the human performance thrill of seeing someone hit a high note with rap because rappers are...too cool for actual singing. Too masculine. Rap has room for many more lyrics than singing, but it turns out that most of the lyrics suck and are uninteresting. With a lot of rap I get the feeling that it is something that you should like rather than something that is actually likable. Liking rap sort of positions you as not a boring middle class person, but as edgy, cool with oppressed minorities.

 

[MongGrel]

Face it "rap" sucks. When black people do it, White people are even worse.

Rap has been around a very long time, by definition, and most of it I have never been a huge fan of personally.

To be honest, you have never been too musically inclined to begin with as far as I know, got me.

You play what instrument ?

Rap was around long before that in several ways, Blondie even predated a lot of the modern versions though.

 

[smackababy]

Well, I'm talking strictly on an aesthetic level. I acknowledge that rap takes a certain dedication and skill. What I have been coming to believe is that on an aesthetic level, rap sucks. I think that lots of people like rap for the wrong reasons and without really thinking about it.

What aesthetics? Does it make audible noises in a way that is pleasing to my ear? That is all music is about.

If you think about it, rappers always use the lower vocal range. You never get the human performance thrill of seeing someone hit a high note with rap because rappers are...too cool for actual singing. Too masculine.

99% of the "singers" you mention don't hit and sustain those high notes. They use autotune. They use it in the correct way: pitch correction. Not that that matters. Rappers evolve from spoken word and into an evolved scat; something pioneered by jazz.

Rap has room for many more lyrics than singing, but it turns out that most of the lyrics suck and are uninteresting.

Sure, if you're only experience is music put out for mass consumption. There is a reason we remember Miles Davis over other jazz trumpeters: he was at the top of the class. The "everyday" jazz guys are forgotten to time. People remember Tupac, Biggie, Rakim, and such because they were truly great at their craft.

With a lot of rap I get the feeling that it is something that you should like rather than something that is actually likable.

Most popular rap is made to dance to in the club. It appeals to a specific, popular need. Something easily accessible to move to that doesn't need to be listened to. Club bangers, as they are called, are not what you should judge rap on. Should I judge country music based on Taylor Swift?

Liking rap sort of positions you as not a boring middle class person, but as edgy, cool with oppressed minorities.

That sounds particularly racist. Why can't someone like music because they find beauty in it? Why can't the just like it. I don't like pizza because I want to fit in with Italian Americans, why would music be any different?

 

[desura]

What aesthetics? Does it make audible noises in a way that is pleasing to my ear? That is all music is about.

99% of the "singers" you mention don't hit and sustain those high notes. They use autotune. They use it in the correct way: pitch correction. Not that that matters. Rappers evolve from spoken word and into an evolved scat; something pioneered by jazz. Sure, if you're only experience is music put out for mass consumption. There is a reason we remember Miles Davis over other jazz trumpeters: he was at the top of the class. The "everyday" jazz guys are forgotten to time. People remember Tupac, Biggie, Rakim, and such because they were truly great at their craft. Most popular rap is made to dance to in the club. It appeals to a specific, popular need. Something easily accessible to move to that doesn't need to be listened to. Club bangers, as they are called, are not what you should judge rap on. Should I judge country music based on Taylor Swift? That sounds particularly racist. Why can't someone like music because they find beauty in it? Why can't the just like it. I don't like pizza because I want to fit in with Italian Americans, why would music be any different?

There is still authenticity in singing that there isn't in rapping. Like, singing has so many more ranges of vocal inflections and pre-language communication. There is much more of a performance with singing than rapping. It takes lung power to sing, it really stretches the vocal chords to sing. Rapping not at all.

I've listened to Tupac, biggie, jay z, etc. did not find them appealing in the least.

Rap being club music is...eh, the Beatles were originally club music. All music is club music and for social gatherings. Music is how community is formed, and people form cliches based on the music they like.

If you look at it from 30,000 ft, like say you don't speak English. Or go out and find someone rapping in a foreign language and compare it to someone singing in a foreign language. You're going to find the singing much more appealing.

 

[chubbyfatazn]

lol

nsfw

"my dick"

 

[pcgeek11]

Except, that isn't the point. Your entire argument is "someone is making music I don't like that is relevant to a culture I don't understand." Playing instruments and singing are not requirements of being music. You sound like every generation that doesn't like the music of the one younger than them.

If you truly think rap has little skill involved, please write me a verse. You don't even need to rap it in any rhythm or have the delivery required to make it SOUND good; you just have to write a small verse. And, that isn't even asking you to write something that comes close to what would be a "Coltrane-esque figure of rap".

No. I'm old and it sounds like shit.

 

[Crono]

The "rap isn't music" or "rap is terrible" argument has been done here plenty of times, and what it always comes down to is people want to trash other people's taste in music in order to order to defend their own, or stroke their ego by snidely looking down at others. It's the same reason food snobs bash other people's tastes.

Even if there's some objective approach or metric, it doesn't matter if you think x or y genre is "better": plenty of people enjoy rap, and if you think it sucks either do something positive about it (go teach a classical music or jazz appreciation class or something) ... or acquiesce to ineffectual whining and complaining, just realize what you are doing is meaningless.