Michigan plot to breach voting machines points to a national pattern of GOP attempts to hack machines.

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I'm gifting this article. This is a huge investigative report.



Eight months after the 2020 presidential election, Robin Hawthorne did not expect anyone to ask for her township’s voting machines.
The election had gone smoothly, she said, just as others had that she had overseen for 17 years as the Rutland Charter Township clerk in rural western Michigan. But now a sheriff’s deputy and investigator were in her office, asking her about her township’s three vote tabulators, suggesting that they somehow had been programmed with a microchip to shift votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden and asking her to hand one over for inspection.


“What the heck is going on?” she recalled thinking. The surprise visit may have been an “out-of-the-blue thing,” as Hawthorne described it, but it was one element of a much broader effort by figures who deny the outcome of the 2020 vote to access voting machines in a bid to prove fraud that experts say does not exist.


In states across the country, including Colorado, Pennsylvania and Georgia, attempts to inappropriately access voting machines have spurred investigations. They have also sparked concern among election authorities that, while voting systems are broadly secure, breaches by those looking for evidence of fraud could themselves compromise the integrity of the process and undermine confidence in the vote.
In Michigan, the efforts to access the machines jumped into public view this month when the state attorney general, Dana Nessel (D), requested a special prosecutor be assigned to look into a group that includes her likely Republican opponent, Matthew DePerno.
The expected Republican nominee, Nessel’s office wrote in a petition filed Aug. 5 based on the findings of a state police investigation, was “one of the prime instigators” of a conspiracy to persuade Michigan clerks to allow unauthorized access to voting machines. Others involved, according to the filing, included a state representative and Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf.


Although Hawthorne rebuffed the request by investigators to examine one of her machines, a clerk in nearby Irving Township handed one over to the pair despite state and federal laws that limit who can access them. About 150 miles north of Hawthorne’s township, three clerks in two other Michigan counties turned over voting machines and other equipment to third parties, public records show.
The petition says tabulators were taken to hotel rooms and Airbnb rentals in Oakland County, where a group of four men “broke into” the tabulators and performed “tests” on them. The petition says that DePerno was present in a hotel room during some of the testing.
Officials got the tabulators back weeks or months later, in one instance at a meeting in a carpool parking lot. DePerno has denied any wrongdoing, as has Leaf, the Barry County sheriff. The DePerno campaign issued a statement calling the petition for a special prosecutor “an incoherent liberal fever dream of lies.”


Once election officials lose control of voting machines, the machines can no longer be used because of the risk of hacking. Moreover, voters can lose faith in the country’s electoral infrastructure when they hear about machines that have not been adequately protected, election experts warn.


Until recently, said Tammy Patrick, who works with election officials around the country as a senior adviser at the nonprofit Democracy Fund, “it seemed far-fetched that election networks could be exposed” in the way they were in Michigan. “Unfortunately, we have a number of instances in the last year or so where this sort of thing has happened around the country,” she said. “It is deeply troubling.”
Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said in an interview with The Washington Post that efforts to “twist the arm of election officials to get them to turn over secure information” are illegal. She said it is important for law enforcement to act “not just to hold accountable those who have been trying to interfere with the process, but to look at the connectivity to see if there is a broader connection, not just in our state, but beyond Michigan to Georgia and Ohio and other states where you see this happening.”
Although the exact nature of connections between efforts in different states to breach machines remains unclear, the situation in Michigan is similar to ones elsewhere in which allegedly unofficial and unauthorized investigators sought evidence of fraud by gaining access to voting equipment. Some of those named in the Michigan case have been connected to cases elsewhere.

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Eight months after the 2020 presidential election, Robin Hawthorne did not expect anyone to ask for her township’s voting machines.
The election had gone smoothly, she said, just as others had that she had overseen for 17 years as the Rutland Charter Township clerk in rural western Michigan. But now a sheriff’s deputy and investigator were in her office, asking her about her township’s three vote tabulators, suggesting that they somehow had been programmed with a microchip to shift votes from Donald Trump to Joe Biden and asking her to hand one over for inspection.


“What the heck is going on?” she recalled thinking. The surprise visit may have been an “out-of-the-blue thing,” as Hawthorne described it, but it was one element of a much broader effort by figures who deny the outcome of the 2020 vote to access voting machines in a bid to prove fraud that experts say does not exist.


In states across the country, including Colorado, Pennsylvania and Georgia, attempts to inappropriately access voting machines have spurred investigations. They have also sparked concern among election authorities that, while voting systems are broadly secure, breaches by those looking for evidence of fraud could themselves compromise the integrity of the process and undermine confidence in the vote.
In Michigan, the efforts to access the machines jumped into public view this month when the state attorney general, Dana Nessel (D), requested a special prosecutor be assigned to look into a group that includes her likely Republican opponent, Matthew DePerno.
The expected Republican nominee, Nessel’s office wrote in a petition filed Aug. 5 based on the findings of a state police investigation, was “one of the prime instigators” of a conspiracy to persuade Michigan clerks to allow unauthorized access to voting machines. Others involved, according to the filing, included a state representative and Barry County Sheriff Dar Leaf.


Although Hawthorne rebuffed the request by investigators to examine one of her machines, a clerk in nearby Irving Township handed one over to the pair despite state and federal laws that limit who can access them. About 150 miles north of Hawthorne’s township, three clerks in two other Michigan counties turned over voting machines and other equipment to third parties, public records show.
The petition says tabulators were taken to hotel rooms and Airbnb rentals in Oakland County, where a group of four men “broke into” the tabulators and performed “tests” on them. The petition says that DePerno was present in a hotel room during some of the testing.
Officials got the tabulators back weeks or months later, in one instance at a meeting in a carpool parking lot. DePerno has denied any wrongdoing, as has Leaf, the Barry County sheriff. The DePerno campaign issued a statement calling the petition for a special prosecutor “an incoherent liberal fever dream of lies.”


Once election officials lose control of voting machines, the machines can no longer be used because of the risk of hacking. Moreover, voters can lose faith in the country’s electoral infrastructure when they hear about machines that have not been adequately protected, election experts warn.


Until recently, said Tammy Patrick, who works with election officials around the country as a senior adviser at the nonprofit Democracy Fund, “it seemed far-fetched that election networks could be exposed” in the way they were in Michigan. “Unfortunately, we have a number of instances in the last year or so where this sort of thing has happened around the country,” she said. “It is deeply troubling.”
Michigan Secretary of State Jocelyn Benson said in an interview with The Washington Post that efforts to “twist the arm of election officials to get them to turn over secure information” are illegal. She said it is important for law enforcement to act “not just to hold accountable those who have been trying to interfere with the process, but to look at the connectivity to see if there is a broader connection, not just in our state, but beyond Michigan to Georgia and Ohio and other states where you see this happening.”
Although the exact nature of connections between efforts in different states to breach machines remains unclear, the situation in Michigan is similar to ones elsewhere in which allegedly unofficial and unauthorized investigators sought evidence of fraud by gaining access to voting equipment. Some of those named in the Michigan case have been connected to cases elsewhere.

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I’ll have to read the link.

I can tell you I’m really worried that some extremely partisan districts are going to think - we know the other side is going to cheat so to make it “fair” we’ll “adjust” the voting machines tabulation.

Any voting machine that doesn’t have a clean chain of custody needs to be dumped.
 

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And this is another reason why the people of the nation should vote Republican? Because they're just trying to make sure the voting machines weren't tampered with by illegally tampering with the voting machines?

To look at the staggering amount of malfeasance that Trump, in his desire to keep from being being booted out of the White House committed while also instigating his followers into committing same, while millions of the party aided and abetted them by looking away from it all and then consider how he and they have a desire to seize the nation by any means necessary in order to "save the nation from destruction" by destroying it (democracy) themselves?

Why would any sane person, knowing exactly what Trump and his supporters have done, are doing and are planning to do with Our Nation vote to have them do it?

Strange times.
 

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And this is another reason why the people of the nation should vote Republican? Because they're just trying to make sure the voting machines weren't tampered with by illegally tampering with the voting machines?

To look at the staggering amount of malfeasance that Trump, in his desire to keep from being being booted out of the White House committed while also instigating his followers into committing same, while millions of the party aided and abetted them by looking away from it all and then consider how he and they have a desire to seize the nation by any means necessary in order to "save the nation from destruction" by destroying it (democracy) themselves?

Why would any sane person, knowing exactly what Trump and his supporters have done, are doing and are planning to do with Our Nation vote to have them do it?

Strange times.

Because the idea is to get enough people in power at the level that counts the votes who will simply declare the the voting machines were flawed and to declare Republicans the winner by default.
 

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If enough of these MAGA’s get elected in the key positions they’re targeting, voting will no longer matter in certain States. Their main targets are the swing states. The midterms could potentially be the last free elections in some states.
 
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Because the idea is to get enough people in power at the level that counts the votes who will simply declare the the voting machines were flawed and to declare Republicans the winner by default.


Wait 'til the Repubs use threats, both blatant and insinuated to force the voting to swing their way like Putin does in his neck of the woods. I mean, it's fairly easy to see things are headed in that direction if the people of the nation does nothing to stop them
 

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Wait 'til the Repubs use threats, both blatant and insinuated to force the voting to swing their way like Putin does in his neck of the woods. I mean, it's fairly easy to see things are headed in that direction if the people of the nation does nothing to stop them
Intimidation and violence is where we are headed.
 
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it's already happened. wasn't it in Arizona where armed conservatives wanted to "secure the voting location"?
1981 NJ "Ballot Security Task Force"

Voter intimidation by the Republican Party has been a staple of Republican Voter Outreach for decades.


2000 Brooks Brothers Riot.

Republicans also love to intimidate poll workers counting ballots.


2020 Stop the Count or Count that Vote

Republicans will only accept vote counts where they are ahead. If they are ahead they demand votes not be counted, if behind they will demand votes continue to be counted.


2020 Trump calls Republican Secretary of State in Georgia to "find votes" so he can win the state.

Republicans will, if possible, create votes out of thin air to win an election.


2020 Fake Electors

Republicans will commit overt fraud to overturn an election they lost to retain power.


2021 January 6th Coup Attempt

Republicans will attempt a Coup to retain power


2021 Independent Legislature

Republican state legislatures will appoint their own electors to Electoral College if SCOTUS agrees, regardless of state election results

The next Republican President will not peacefully give up the office. The trajectory is clear. If SCOTUS approves of the "Independent Legislature" coup, then they might not even have to "steal" any election to do it.
 
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Oh look, seems there's some interest in a conspiracy to copy voting machines software, finally. Oh, no surprise, the usual suspects.

Trump lawyers implicated in “coordinated plot” to copy voting system data in multiple states | Salon.com

Election security advocates sent a letter to federal investigators Monday urging them to probe a "coordinated plot" by former President Donald Trump's supporters to copy election software in Georgia, Michigan and Nevada after the 2020 election, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.
 

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I feel bad at you people beating up on these poor misunderstood people. Their bad behavior is just a perception of ours, and really, we should let them be.

Maybe if they took a walk in the woods they will become enlightened.
 
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I feel bad at you people beating up on these poor misunderstood people. Their bad behavior is just a perception of ours, and really, we should let them be.

Maybe if they took a walk in the woods they will become enlightened.
Come on, bro. Haven't I told you that we hate ourselves because we were put down and humiliated as children, and here you are, trying to do that to me just as I warned you people who hate themselves will do to you in every way they can. Can't you understand that knowing what I know and having known it for decades on decades, that I might be slightly immune to whatever it is you try to throw at me. I am trying to help you to see that just as those who put you down and the rest of the haters on the planet do and did what they had to do having that disease. It's not your fault that you are desperate to put me down and make me hurt because that pain in inside you. All you really want is to illicit my hatred back at you to prove I am just like you. But I have already told you I am. I just know that how we are is a disease and the only difference between us is that I know I am sick and you do not.

You should know too, that my awareness of how people really feel, how they hate themselves makes me rather more dangerous that others. Knowledge is power including power to harm. I have always to keep in mind that danger and work to avoid my own dark desires. Try to be nicer if you can. The aim is to get past put downs so you don't need to put others down, not become better at them.
 
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Isn't it weird how completely unsubstantiated claims of voting machine manipulation can lead Republicans into believing that they are justified into committing real acts of voting machine manipulation?
Now expand that into almost every issue and this is the real threat facing America.
People can be told that some other group is doing something evil, and they will not only believe it without question or evidence, but they will feel justified in doing the exact same evil, that they know to be wrong, in "self-defense."
It is a moral sickness that plagues our nation.
 
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Isn't it weird how completely unsubstantiated claims of voting machine manipulation can lead Republicans into believing that they are justified into committing real acts of voting machine manipulation?
Now expand that into almost every issue and this is the real threat facing America.
People can be told that some other group is doing something evil, and they will not only believe it with question or evidence, but they will feel justified in doing the exact same evil, that they know to be wrong, in "self-defense."
It is a moral sickness that plagues our nation.
What amuses me is that the literacy tests that Whites used to impose on Black people under the pretext that some minimum of intelligence and character should be required to vote, would now make perfect sense to apply to modern White voters of the Trump stripe today. It is dangerous for the country they are allowed to vote. We create what we fear by becoming it willingly rather than unconsciously.
 

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Isn't it weird how completely unsubstantiated claims of voting machine manipulation can lead Republicans into believing that they are justified into committing real acts of voting machine manipulation?
Now expand that into almost every issue and this is the real threat facing America.
People can be told that some other group is doing something evil, and they will not only believe it without question or evidence, but they will feel justified in doing the exact same evil, that they know to be wrong, in "self-defense."
It is a moral sickness that plagues our nation.
it's a self fulfilling prophecy, just like almost everything the GOP tries
 
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What amuses me is that the literacy tests that Whites used to impose on Black people under the pretext that some minimum of intelligence and character should be required to vote, would now make perfect sense to apply to modern White voters of the Trump stripe today. It is dangerous for the country they are allowed to vote. We create what we fear by becoming it willingly rather than unconsciously.

Really odd what amuses you.
 

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Really odd what amuses you.

I am endlessly amused by how a complete distortion of morality in one context can warp to make perfect sense in another context, creating for the beholder, a need for a paralyzing complexity of restraint.

Seems to me there are two kinds of truth, one that depends on whose ego identification gets threatened, and another invisible one that can only manifest in one condition, when a life is under imminent threat and the actor has no such ego identification.
 

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Isn't it weird how completely unsubstantiated claims of voting machine manipulation can lead Republicans into believing that they are justified into committing real acts of voting machine manipulation?
Now expand that into almost every issue and this is the real threat facing America.
People can be told that some other group is doing something evil, and they will not only believe it without question or evidence, but they will feel justified in doing the exact same evil, that they know to be wrong, in "self-defense."
It is a moral sickness that plagues our nation.
This is the effect of preaching capitalism as a moral stance. These people have mistaken the questionable ethics of capitalisms (and to a smaller extent Ayn Rand style libertarianism) for moral character. They see other people as competitors.
 

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This is the effect of preaching capitalism as a moral stance. These people have mistaken the questionable ethics of capitalisms (and to a smaller extent Ayn Rand style libertarianism) for moral character. They see other people as competitors.
Not trying to apologize for any of that, but what I described is fascism, not capitalism. It's not competition driving that mindset, but tribalism. While Ayn Rand and Adam Smith both described very detailed frameworks for morality and stressed that good moral behavior was essentially for capitalism to function.
 

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Not trying to apologize for any of that, but what I described is fascism, not capitalism. It's not competition driving that mindset, but tribalism. While Ayn Rand and Adam Smith both described very detailed frameworks for morality and stressed that good moral behavior was essentially for capitalism to function.

I think you're both correct.