Michigan justice faced 'bullying' over redistricting plan

[umbrella39]

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/n...t-bullying-redistricting-proposal/1412350002/

Michigan Supreme Court Justice Elizabeth Clement said she faced "bullying and intimidation" while deliberating a case that paved the way for a redistricting proposal to go on the November ballot.

Clement, a Gov. Rick Snyder appointee up for election in November, made the comments to The Detroit News editorial board Monday, a few days after learning the Michigan Republican Party had left her name and photo off door hangers distributed by volunteers in “targeted areas.”

She was one of two GOP-nominated justices who backed a 4-3 ruling that put the redistricting commission plan on the Nov. 6 ballot, a measure Republican officials have opposed.

As she runs for election to the court for the first time, Clement said she encountered pressure from "outside interests" — which she refused to identify — hoping to block the proposal from the ballot as she deliberated her decision.

It's unusual for such pressure to be applied in judicial cases and a breach of legal protocols, said Justice David Viviano, who told The News' editorial board he was aware of the pressure on Clement.


Just a microcosm of the total picture going on in America right now. The minority is trying everything they can do to limit opposition turnout, gerrymander, and to stack the courts so they minority can hold onto power just a little while longer before the inevitable tidal wave crashes down all around them...

Shameful...

 

[sdifox]

Wtf elected state supreme court justice...

 

[Moonbeam]

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Michigan justice faced 'bullying' over redistricting plan

Shameful yes, but only in reality because shameful behavior is the result of having been so shamed as a child you will never allow yourself to feel it ever again. Since that is an emotional death sentence that can be healed only by self confrontation and what with the depth of one's humiliation being the last thing we want to face, we adopt unconscious actions like stabbing ourselves in the back, that are sure to produce humiliation. It is a fact if little recognized that we act out what we repress. This is how we create what we fear and become what we hate.

 

[Thump553]

Wtf elected state supreme court justice...

Quite a few states do it. I grew up in a state with appointed judges (both local and appellate) who face periodic review and reappointment by the state legislature and spent the early party of my legal career in a state with elected judges. In that state the practice was set up so the judge purportedly didn't know who who contributed to their campaign, but I'm positive they did know-several judges were far more friendly to me post-contribution than before. Another effect was when appearing in a court far away (especially if representing a national corporation instead of a local person or business) you would get local-boyed.. I had more than one judge ask me why didn't your firm hire someone local to handle this.

All in all I think the appointment/reappointment with review process works better in real life, but both poorly handle problems like that illustrated by this case-where decisions on judges are made by results and not upon their ability or proper judicial process. Too much of this effect is the surest way to insure a weak, rubber stamp judicial branch.

 

[sdifox]

Quite a few states do it. I grew up in a state with appointed judges (both local and appellate) who face periodic review and reappointment by the state legislature and spent the early party of my legal career in a state with elected judges. In that state the practice was set up so the judge purportedly didn't know who who contributed to their campaign, but I'm positive they did know-several judges were far more friendly to me post-contribution than before. Another effect was when appearing in a court far away (especially if representing a national corporation instead of a local person or business) you would get local-boyed.. I had more than one judge ask me why didn't your firm hire someone local to handle this.

All in all I think the appointment/reappointment with review process works better in real life, but both poorly handle problems like that illustrated by this case-where decisions on judges are made by results and not upon their ability or proper judicial process. Too much of this effect is the surest way to insure a weak, rubber stamp judicial branch.

yeah judiciary should not be elected by bumbling idiots that is the general public.

 

[interchange]

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Michigan justice faced 'bullying' over redistricting plan

Shameful yes, but only in reality because shameful behavior is the result of having been so shamed as a child you will never allow yourself to feel it ever again. Since that is an emotional death sentence that can be healed only by self confrontation and what with the depth of one's humiliation being the last thing we want to face, we adopt unconscious actions like stabbing ourselves in the back, that are sure to produce humiliation. It is a fact if little recognized that we act out what we repress. This is how we create what we fear and become what we hate.

I'm really curious what someone with moralistic OCD would think of your words. I think those responses serve more than just self-sabotage, but seeing that puts you ahead of just about everyone I've ever met.

 

[zinfamous]

Wtf elected state supreme court justice...

yeah, it's a thoroughly anti-democratic process that should be outlawed everywhere. All it does is open up the seat for all manner of corruption and blackmail. No smart person thinks that elected judges, at any level, are a good idea.

 

[hal2kilo]

yeah, it's a thoroughly anti-democratic process that should be outlawed everywhere. All it does is open up the seat for all manner of corruption and blackmail. No smart person thinks that elected judges, at any level, are a good idea.

Elected judges are a real bad idea. I've lived in states with both systems. If you have faith in the local and state governments, appointing judges takes a lot of politics out of the judicial branch. It's unfortunate, with the current state of politics in this country, that not only was the previous president not allowed to have his selection have a hearing, this selection is just the complete doubling down by the conservatives to lock this country into a political mode that the majority of this country is not following.

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm really curious what someone with moralistic OCD would think of your words. I think those responses serve more than just self-sabotage, but seeing that puts you ahead of just about everyone I've ever met.

What makes me curious here is how to figure out the implications I assume your curiosity represent and I feel blocked in that attempt because I can’t conceptualize, can’t grasp or represent to myself what moralistic OCD is. I know what the letters stand for but they are just words to me. I have no sense at all as to what a person with that label actually might look like or what his or her inner reality might be. Is it’s condition I can look up somewhere?

As for how the shaming of children as a tool to instill conformity create chains that ‘the Devil tempts us to want to break’, to describe this is another way, represent more than self sabotage, I would agree, and I would be interested to hear what you have in mind. I struggle with describing this sort of psychological condition because to me they represent paradox. Every attempt to put words to the ideas suffer from the duality of language and the fact that paradox is paradoxical. You say one thing about it and you are off on a yin yang circle. You have to dive in somewhere and jump out somewhere else and the things that one says only make sense if one has oneself done the integration of the opposites involved.

So what I would have added if I hadn’t jumped out where I did is that what we express as sabotage and self destruction is our sickness trying to heal us while avoiding self awareness. The bigger they are the harder they fall, pride goes before a fall, how the mighty have fallen, etc. are the result of this hidden psychological law. We were put down with language and threatened with force with the notion that our natural reactions and resistances to being molded like clay dolls made us evil. There was never anything wrong with us. It is the separation from out true selves we want to get back to and the journey there is through hell, the reawakening of our pain, and because we are unconscious of this fact, that all our suffering is based on the belief in lies, we don’t reexperience our pain consciously via say therapy, but recreate for ourselves the same kink of misery that brought us originally to our knees. We are what we see when we describe the moth to the flame. Up is down. The paradox is a capsized boat. We have to dive to swim up. We can use lead weights and drown or dive consciously.

PS: I learned all of this from someone so different that the only way I can explain that difference was that he had to have actually made such a the trip.

 

[Bitek]

yeah, it's a thoroughly anti-democratic process that should be outlawed everywhere. All it does is open up the seat for all manner of corruption and blackmail. No smart person thinks that elected judges, at any level, are a good idea.

Would you still feel that way if Kavanaugh get rammed onto the court for a lifetime scotus appointment?

While I'd be concerned about the ability of a national election funding the best judicial nominees, having a completely corrupt partisan system with no electoral recourse doesn't seem to be working either.

 

[Jhhnn]

Interesting article. Every once in awhile, the GOP screws up & appoints somebody with integrity. The underlying issue of the ballot initiative really has the GOP up in arms, of course. They gerrymandered the shit out of Michigan after the census & have been looking forward to doing an even better job of it with newer algorithms & big data. If the initiative passes those dreams fly out the window....