Michael Steele might become next RNC Chairman

[DanceMan]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
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Meanwhile those "racists" Republicans have apointed TWO black Secretaries of State, one of whom is a female. Making her the most powerful black female in the history of the country. And she is far from window dressing. The base loves Condi, hence the calls for her to become President or most likely VP on 2008.

Nah, Condi's is Bush's window dressing, no doubt about it. The key to understanding this is that policy is controlled by Cheney. Condi internally complains herself that the Vice President and Sec Def did not return her phone calls. And, her handling of the Israeli and North Korean issues have been utter failures. They were such failures that even fellow Republicans were asking that she step down.

And the most powerful black female? Oh please. Powell himself could do little in that position to change the mindset of the Cheney-Rumsfeld junta, so why do you think Condi has more pull than Powell? She's only been reduced to a talking head for the Bush Administration on Sunday talk shows.

And after this last election, the Republicans would have to be crazy for her to share or lead the ticket. She would have too much baggage, and little accomplishments of her own to make her a worthwhile addition to the ticket, and would be a constant reminder to the failed Iraq policy. I'm afraid that Condi would not be able to even win the local dogcatcher's race at this point. Well, maybe she could win if it's found the local dogcatcher was sending young boys dirty instant messages...

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Secretary of commere huh?

Well let's see... on the list of succession
Sec of State is 4

Sec of Commerce is 10... slight step down there
and after Ron Brown you have to go to Togo West? ummm yea...

Meanwhile those "racists" Republicans have apointed TWO black Secretaries of State, one of whom is a female. Making her the most powerful black female in the history of the country. And she is far from window dressing. The base loves Condi, hence the calls for her to become President or most likely VP on 2008.

I am not saying that liberal are against blacks, what I am saying is that the myth of racists Republicans, is just that, a myth.

I am saying it is the truth-racist republicans.
Appointing a few token blacks does not disprove this. The number of elected black Republicans (or candidates) shows the real feelings of the republican party and its voters.
Now tell me how many black republicans there are in congress?
The point you're missing is that the black republican is so rare, they are coddled and bankrolled and promoted way beyond any measure of their talent-simply because of their value to the party because of the color of their skin. So the token black can be held up to say to the world that the Republicans are colorblind-when reality is completely different.
Was Clarence Thomas really the most qualified judge that could be found for the Supreme Court? Or was that just playing the race card?
If you think Clarence Thomas qualified for Yale Law school on merit-I have a bridge to sell you.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Secretary of commere huh?

Well let's see... on the list of succession
Sec of State is 4

Sec of Commerce is 10... slight step down there
and after Ron Brown you have to go to Togo West? ummm yea...

Meanwhile those "racists" Republicans have apointed TWO black Secretaries of State, one of whom is a female. Making her the most powerful black female in the history of the country. And she is far from window dressing. The base loves Condi, hence the calls for her to become President or most likely VP on 2008.

I am not saying that liberal are against blacks, what I am saying is that the myth of racists Republicans, is just that, a myth.

I am saying it is the truth-racist republicans.
Appointing a few token blacks does not disprove this. The number of elected black Republicans (or candidates) shows the real feelings of the republican party and its voters.
Now tell me how many black republicans there are in congress?
The point you're missing is that the black republican is so rare, they are coddled and bankrolled and promoted way beyond any measure of their talent-simply because of their value to the party because of the color of their skin. So the token black can be held up to say to the world that the Republicans are colorblind-when reality is completely different.
Was Clarence Thomas really the most qualified judge that could be found for the Supreme Court? Or was that just playing the race card?
If you think Clarence Thomas qualified for Yale Law school on merit-I have a bridge to sell you.

So wait, you are accusing the Republicans of affirmative action, which the left shoves down our throats yet you will have a harder time finding blacks in higher Democrat offices. So are you for affirmative action or against it?

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Secretary of commere huh?

Well let's see... on the list of succession
Sec of State is 4

Sec of Commerce is 10... slight step down there
and after Ron Brown you have to go to Togo West? ummm yea...

Meanwhile those "racists" Republicans have apointed TWO black Secretaries of State, one of whom is a female. Making her the most powerful black female in the history of the country. And she is far from window dressing. The base loves Condi, hence the calls for her to become President or most likely VP on 2008.

I am not saying that liberal are against blacks, what I am saying is that the myth of racists Republicans, is just that, a myth.

I am saying it is the truth-racist republicans.
Appointing a few token blacks does not disprove this. The number of elected black Republicans (or candidates) shows the real feelings of the republican party and its voters.
Now tell me how many black republicans there are in congress?
The point you're missing is that the black republican is so rare, they are coddled and bankrolled and promoted way beyond any measure of their talent-simply because of their value to the party because of the color of their skin. So the token black can be held up to say to the world that the Republicans are colorblind-when reality is completely different.
Was Clarence Thomas really the most qualified judge that could be found for the Supreme Court? Or was that just playing the race card?
If you think Clarence Thomas qualified for Yale Law school on merit-I have a bridge to sell you.

Why are there so few serving? Just ask J.C. Watts, he was slandered so much, by democrats, he ended his political career in disgust.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is with this "token" black Republican thing?

Let's see...
Last black named to supreme court was named by a Republican

Only two black secretaries of state were both named by a Republican.

Meanwhile, Clinton the "first black President" did not name a black to one MAJOR position.

The fact that Democrats get 90+% of the black vote means that they take them for granted. If Steele is named head of the RNC and does a good job at it then Democrats will be forced to fight for the black vote by offering something other than the same old 1960's hand outs. This would be very good for blacks.

BTW: have the Democrats ever had a black chairman?

As a matter of fact yes, Ron Brown 1989-1993. Welcome to the 20th century, Republicans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee
Clinton didn't appoint any minorities you say-WRONG AGAIN
Does Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown ring a bell, Togo West Secretary of Veteran Affairs,etc..

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-11.html
President Clinton appointed the most diverse Cabinet in history. Over the past eight years, he has appointed seven African American Cabinet Secretaries, and women make up 44 percent of Clinton Administration appointees, including the first woman to serve as Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, and the first to serve as Attorney General, Janet Reno. The President also appointed the first Asian American to serve in a Cabinet, Commerce Secretary Norman Mineta. The President has appointed more African Americans to federal judgeships than were appointed during the last sixteen years combined and 14 percent of all Clinton Administration appointees are African American, twice as many as in any previous Administration. President Clinton appointed three times as many female judges as the two previous administrations and the most Hispanic judicial nominees of any President. Record numbers of people with disabilities are also serving in the White House and throughout the Clinton Administration

As far as black senators, there is one, Barack Obama, a democrat. There are 43 black members in congress, you tell me how many are Republicans.
Your whole premise is that the liberals are actually prejudiced against blacks and republicans are really the ones promoting qualified blacks and I just showed you that this is another RIGHT WING FAIRY TALE.

Barak Obama is half white and half black, and grew up more white than black. He himself admits he didn't suffer the same trappings a lot of blacks do. The Repubs use to have Black members of Congress until the democrats repeatedly slandered them.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is with this "token" black Republican thing?

Let's see...
Last black named to supreme court was named by a Republican

Only two black secretaries of state were both named by a Republican.

Meanwhile, Clinton the "first black President" did not name a black to one MAJOR position.

The fact that Democrats get 90+% of the black vote means that they take them for granted. If Steele is named head of the RNC and does a good job at it then Democrats will be forced to fight for the black vote by offering something other than the same old 1960's hand outs. This would be very good for blacks.

BTW: have the Democrats ever had a black chairman?

Free handouts are all that is required to become elected. You underestimate its effectiveness.

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
I think Steele would be a decent RNC chairman, but he's not going to get the job, and he's not going to go within 10 feet of Bush. He may be a Republican, but he clearly is not a Bush Republican, and unfortunately it seems the Republicans haven't gotten away from that particular style of Republicanism quite yet. As long as extremists like Bill Frist represent the Republican party, I just don't see a moderate Republican like Steele being chairman.

By the way, as far as Steele's race goes, I think everyone on both sides is making way too big a deal of the whole thing. For the Democrats, while it's obviously not the majority case, it's entirely possible that a black man can be a Republican, especially a moderate one...I don't see anything "weird" about that, and it certainly makes more sense than being a GAY Republican. Political choices have more to do with economic and social views than racial ones, at least for most people. But Republicans who are whining about this need to take a step back and look at how Steele was treated by the Republicans. The message his whole campaign was "Look, he's a black Republican, see, we're the big tent party!". He wasn't run as a Republican so much as a black Republican, you guys made his race an issue to begin with.

Steele knew his beliefs were too conservative for Maryland. That is why he tried to avoid answering any questions on that Meet The Press Debate. He ran a personality driven "I love dogs" campaign while Cardin successfully linked him to the Bush/Cheney adminstration. In fact Steele is a Bush Republican. This is what he said at the 2004 Republican National Convention:

These are the beliefs of our Republican Party. These are the principles that drew me to this Party 28 years ago.

And today, the standard-bearer of these convictions is George W. Bush.

This became an ad for Cardin and he went on to win by more than 10%. The media fawned over this guy, I guess because he is from a state close to the Beltway, but the fact is he only did marginally better among Africian-American voters in this race as Ehrlich did against Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. Steele vastly underperformed in areas that Ehrlich carried previously (as did Ehrlich also so that is why they both lost). I think the Republicans will want to try and expand their party after their lost so I could see Steele becoming RNC but I think they will want to pick someone who can raise the money (which I am not sure Steele can yet) or attract new types of voters which Steele did not prove he could do on Tuesday.

 

[SViscusi]

Originally posted by: Wreckem
The Repubs use to have Black members of Congress until the democrats repeatedly slandered them.

In the post reconstruction era Republicans have had 4 black members of Congress (3 in the house, 1 in the Senate).

1. Oscar Stanton De Priest served in the House from '29 - '33, voted against conservatives, beaten by a black man
2. Gary Franks served in the House from '91-'97 beaten because he didn't campaign hard enough and wanted to run for Senate
3. J.C. Watts served from '95-'03, left to 'spend time with his family', but it's widely believed that he was promised committee seats and when they came up he was passed over for one of the 'good ole boys
4. Edward Brooke served '67-'79, liberal republican, lost to Tsongas

In other words you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: marincounty

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Secretary of commere huh?

Well let's see... on the list of succession
Sec of State is 4

Sec of Commerce is 10... slight step down there
and after Ron Brown you have to go to Togo West? ummm yea...

Meanwhile those "racists" Republicans have apointed TWO black Secretaries of State, one of whom is a female. Making her the most powerful black female in the history of the country. And she is far from window dressing. The base loves Condi, hence the calls for her to become President or most likely VP on 2008.

I am not saying that liberal are against blacks, what I am saying is that the myth of racists Republicans, is just that, a myth.

I am saying it is the truth-racist republicans.
Appointing a few token blacks does not disprove this. The number of elected black Republicans (or candidates) shows the real feelings of the republican party and its voters.
Now tell me how many black republicans there are in congress?
The point you're missing is that the black republican is so rare, they are coddled and bankrolled and promoted way beyond any measure of their talent-simply because of their value to the party because of the color of their skin. So the token black can be held up to say to the world that the Republicans are colorblind-when reality is completely different.
Was Clarence Thomas really the most qualified judge that could be found for the Supreme Court? Or was that just playing the race card?
If you think Clarence Thomas qualified for Yale Law school on merit-I have a bridge to sell you.

Why are there so few serving? Just ask J.C. Watts, he was slandered so much, by democrats, he ended his political career in disgust.

Maybe it had to do with the fact that he had fathered two children out of wedlock, not great when you are running as a family values Republican.

Thanks for proving my point that Republicans will support any black person, no matter how ignorant or corrupt, as long as they support right wing policies.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J.C._Watts
Later, in 1996, Watts admitted to fathering two children out of wedlock twenty years before. [citation needed] Watts also issued a denial that he had defaulted on a large bank loan. [citation needed]

 

[imported_Lothar]

Looks like ProfJohn is wrong again.

Not suprising that a Hispanic was chosen...
Republicans have absolutely no hope of winning the AA vote. They might as well try to win the Hispanic votes.
Hispanic votes in this election went 60%DEM and 40%REP.
I think the AA votes was 90%DEM and 10%REP as usual....

 

[Lemon law]

Yes, Lothar is correct and has scooped me.

The Repubs have named Mel Martinez to the RNC chair---and therefore Steele is out---oddly enough---landslide MEL only got 49% of the vote.---but he is from Florida which must explain it.

But now the fix is in--stay the republican course---continue to push anti-Hispanic legislation---and then show picture of Hispanic Mel's smiling face standing in the GOP big tent center stage.