Michael Steele might become next RNC Chairman

[Lemon law]

The Republican model is somewhat Pete Wilson---who as Republican California Governor in the late 80's got the brilliant idea of playing the Hispanic and immigration issue---red raw meat for the Republican base---and managed to get such one sided legislation passed that even Hispanics who were long time US citizens lost social benefits and were discriminated against. And they are still so mad at the GOP that they would never vote for a Republirat ever.

Since that day, California has always gone democratic statewide---and by a large numbers.--quite a feat really--in just a few years--managing to transform the largest state on a population basis, from being in play nationally to totally lost for the Republicans in Presidential elections---brilliant--simply brilliant.----something like 238 electoral votes---more congressman that in any State.

Maybe Arnie can turn things around---but Arnie is more an anomaly than a GOP spokesman.

But at the time---Pete Wilson was being touted as Presidential timber-----whatever did happen to Pete?---to this day he may still be wearing a paper bag over his head.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The Republican model is somewhat Pete Wilson---who as Republican California Governor in the late 80's got the brilliant idea of playing the Hispanic and immigration issue---red raw meat for the Republican base---and managed to get such one sided legislation passed that even Hispanics who were long time US citizens lost social benefits and were discriminated against. And they are still so mad at the GOP that they would never vote for a Republirat ever.

Since that day, California has always gone democratic statewide---and by a large numbers.--quite a feat really--in just a few years--managing to transform the largest state on a population basis, from being in play nationally to totally lost for the Republicans in Presidential elections---brilliant--simply brilliant.----something like 238 electoral votes---more congressman that in any State.

Maybe Arnie can turn things around---but Arnie is more an anomaly than a GOP spokesman.

But at the time---Pete Wilson was being touted as Presidential timber-----whatever did happen to Pete?---to this day he may still be wearing a paper bag over his head.

Arnie is NOT helping the Republican cause any. California folks look at him and see everything they DON'T see in the rest of the Republican party, he highlights too much of the differences between traditional conservative views and the fundies (and not just in a religious sense) now in control of the party.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
From the Washington Times link

Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman, whose party just lost both chambers of Congress, will leave his position in January, and the post as party chief has been offered to Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele.

This would be a great move. Steele ran a great campaign in a state that has not seen a Republican Senator win since 1980.

It would also be a great way to reach out to and recruit more blacks into the Republican party. A move that would be incredibly good for the party and the country.

Steele may also be offered a job in the Bush cabinet.
Either job would be a great move for Steele, but I think RNC helps the party out more in the long run.

Surely you couldn't be so stupid or think Black people are so stupid as to believe more Blacks would vote Republican just because this joker is.

Blacks don't vote Republican because that party for the most part tells them that the reason why they are second class citizens is because they are lazy. Being told that by a Black person doesn't make the message any more appetizing.

 

[Lemon law]

My point is and remains---if the GOP wants the black--or Hispanic vote---they will have to walk the walk---and the GOP does not do dat.---but does the opposite.

All the PR ads in the world won't hide that fact.

 

[senseamp]

They should have picked P.K. Winsome

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
My point is and remains---if the GOP wants the black--or Hispanic vote---they will have to walk the walk---and the GOP does not do dat.---but does the opposite.

All the PR ads in the world won't hide that fact.

What, pray tell, is "the walk"?

 

[CaptnKirk]

You know, the Black Community has pretty much turned it's back on him and views him as an 'Uncle Tom'

Steve Gilliiard uses him as a poster child

And, yes, Steve Gilliard is a Black activist wrtiter for the African-American community.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Lemon law
My point is and remains---if the GOP wants the black--or Hispanic vote---they will have to walk the walk---and the GOP does not do dat.---but does the opposite.

All the PR ads in the world won't hide that fact.

What, pray tell, is "the walk"?

The walk is changing the views of the party to be more in line with a greater percent of Black or Hispanic voters.

 

[FuzzyBee]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Lemon law
My point is and remains---if the GOP wants the black--or Hispanic vote---they will have to walk the walk---and the GOP does not do dat.---but does the opposite.

All the PR ads in the world won't hide that fact.

What, pray tell, is "the walk"?

The walk is changing the views of the party to be more in line with a greater percent of Black or Hispanic voters.

What does that mean? I'm asking for specifics here.

 

[yowolabi]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Lemon law
My point is and remains---if the GOP wants the black--or Hispanic vote---they will have to walk the walk---and the GOP does not do dat.---but does the opposite.

All the PR ads in the world won't hide that fact.

What, pray tell, is "the walk"?

The walk is changing the views of the party to be more in line with a greater percent of Black or Hispanic voters.

What does that mean? I'm asking for specifics here.

I could come up with some issues which I believe are true, but I don't want to speak for the Black community without having some evidence to back me up. Unfortunately I don't have enough free time to do the research right now.

Affirmative action appears to be one of the issues where there is a difference. http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2006//pages/results/states/MI/I/01/epolls.0.html

 

[nageov3t]

funny... so the next RNC chairman will be the guy who actually ran his campaign by trying to trick people into thinking he was a democrat?

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: loki8481
funny... so the next RNC chairman will be the guy who actually ran his campaign by trying to trick people into thinking he was a democrat?

Yup and guess what: he got very few votes in large black areas. I guess people are smarter than he thought.

The other thing to consider is the GOP put up black candidates where they basically didn't have anyone else. MD - Steele, PA - Swan and Blackwell in OH. All lost by large percentages.

I like yowolabi's post above:
"Blacks don't vote Republican because that party for the most part tells them that the reason why they are second class citizens is because they are lazy. Being told that by a Black person doesn't make the message any more appetizing."

 

[CaptnKirk]

Originally posted by: FuzzyBee

Originally posted by: Lemon law
My point is and remains---if the GOP wants the black--or Hispanic vote---they will have to walk the walk---and the GOP does not do dat.---but does the opposite.

All the PR ads in the world won't hide that fact.

What, pray tell, is "the walk"?

Buy a chicken, and study it's movement.

 

[marincounty]

I completely agree with the OP, what a great move this would be.
This will piss off the white racists in the party, and piss off black voters with the token black Republican. Thus clearing the way for Hillary in '08.
The racist whites will stay home and the black liberals will be motivated to turn out against the Republicans.

 

[Lemon law]

How quickly we forget about Tennessee---where the Republarats played the race card against Ford---the tactic probably saved a Senate seat and won for Corker.
But that same tactic may have doomed Steele who was less than 300 miles away because that ad received nationwide attention.---and probably changed enough Maryland
black votes to totally sink Steele.---and will be a gift to the dems---a gift that will keep giving and giving and giving.

Blacks and Hispanics may have the memory of elephants---but it sure does not mean they vote for them.

Just another small example of walking the walk.

 

[ProfJohn]

What is with this "token" black Republican thing?

Let's see...
Last black named to supreme court was named by a Republican

Only two black secretaries of state were both named by a Republican.

Meanwhile, Clinton the "first black President" did not name a black to one MAJOR position.

The fact that Democrats get 90+% of the black vote means that they take them for granted. If Steele is named head of the RNC and does a good job at it then Democrats will be forced to fight for the black vote by offering something other than the same old 1960's hand outs. This would be very good for blacks.

BTW: have the Democrats ever had a black chairman?

 

[nageov3t]

wait... I thought convervatives were against afirmative action.

 

[randym431]

Let me tell you a little something about Mr. Steel...

Steel chartered six buses carrying poor blacks and homeless from Philadelphia to hand out inaccurate glossy voter guides in Baltimore and Prince George counties, door to door, to woo black voters.
These guides pictured local known black democrats with the heading "these are our choices", even though two of the pictured were not even running and a third was running unopposed. (stay with me here...)

Inside these voter guides, from the Steel people, featured sample voter ballots listing democratic candidates along with the names of Steel and another republican NOT listing these additions (Steel and the other guy) on the sample ballot, as actually REPUBLICANS (which they were).
It was his attempt to miss lead black voters into thinking Steel WAS a democrat and they should vote for him.

This is the kind of guy Steel is. This is the kind of stuff THEY do. And this is the one reason he LOST by over 10 points.

And you think its great that he may be the next RNC chairman? Don?t they ever learn???

BTW, these bussed in homeless and poor were never paid as promised, by the Steel people. Not only that, but the buses to return them back never showed up for them.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
This is a very old political saw in the RNC---they always have to have their token black they can point to. In terms of the blacks attracted as a result---you can only point to characters like Alan Keyes and Clarance Thomas.

The only way a black candidate makes it in the RNC is to out conservative the most reactionary as a general rule.

The GOP big tent has always been a myth---more of image than substance.

Even when the face is black---they ain't buying racist policies.

Not saying this always has to be the case---but the GOP can't just talk the walk---the have to walk the walk.----------does anyone see the GOP doing that?

Uh huh, thanks for proving me right. Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, Sec of State Rice AND Powell, etc...can you name 5 black people put into higher positions by Democrats?

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
The Republican model is somewhat Pete Wilson---who as Republican California Governor in the late 80's got the brilliant idea of playing the Hispanic and immigration issue---red raw meat for the Republican base---and managed to get such one sided legislation passed that even Hispanics who were long time US citizens lost social benefits and were discriminated against. And they are still so mad at the GOP that they would never vote for a Republirat ever.

Since that day, California has always gone democratic statewide---and by a large numbers.--quite a feat really--in just a few years--managing to transform the largest state on a population basis, from being in play nationally to totally lost for the Republicans in Presidential elections---brilliant--simply brilliant.----something like 238 electoral votes---more congressman that in any State.

Maybe Arnie can turn things around---but Arnie is more an anomaly than a GOP spokesman.

But at the time---Pete Wilson was being touted as Presidential timber-----whatever did happen to Pete?---to this day he may still be wearing a paper bag over his head.

The only democratic governor of Cali in recent memory is Gray Davis, who was kicked out of office...Pete Wilson came before him, and Arnold came after him, both of which will have spent a lot of time in office...

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: yowolabi

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
From the Washington Times link

Republican National Committee Chairman Ken Mehlman, whose party just lost both chambers of Congress, will leave his position in January, and the post as party chief has been offered to Maryland Lt. Gov. Michael S. Steele.

This would be a great move. Steele ran a great campaign in a state that has not seen a Republican Senator win since 1980.

It would also be a great way to reach out to and recruit more blacks into the Republican party. A move that would be incredibly good for the party and the country.

Steele may also be offered a job in the Bush cabinet.
Either job would be a great move for Steele, but I think RNC helps the party out more in the long run.

Surely you couldn't be so stupid or think Black people are so stupid as to believe more Blacks would vote Republican just because this joker is.

Blacks don't vote Republican because that party for the most part tells them that the reason why they are second class citizens is because they are lazy. Being told that by a Black person doesn't make the message any more appetizing.

Blacks don't vote Republican because most are poorer on average than the population...it's not about race, it's about money. The less money you have, the more handouts you want from the government...it's obvious which party hands more out.

 

[Lemon law]

Its also obvious which party hands out more money to only rich whites---nothing like being a two time loser in the cultural war.

Thens there is--------Let's see...
Last black named to supreme court was named by a Republican

Only two black secretaries of state were both named by a Republican.

Lets examine where these black people are in mainstream black thought--------Clarence Thomas and his sidekick Alan Keyes---real cultural black hero's those.

KindaSleezy Rice?---what the hell has she done for Black's?---other than being the liar and chief for every lie Bush tells on the Iraq war?---and more window dressing on a GOP tent that displays one thing and does the other.

Colin Powell---well I am no big Colin fan---but he has more integrity in his toe nail than the other three have in their entire bodies---and they GWB&co. used him to be their sucker in selling Iraq---and once they sucked him dry---they fired him---and left him with the very big sucker label.

Yep, those four will really turn the black vote around.----and if you believe that ---I just got two word for you---Barack Obama.

 

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is with this "token" black Republican thing?

Let's see...
Last black named to supreme court was named by a Republican

Only two black secretaries of state were both named by a Republican.

Meanwhile, Clinton the "first black President" did not name a black to one MAJOR position.

The fact that Democrats get 90+% of the black vote means that they take them for granted. If Steele is named head of the RNC and does a good job at it then Democrats will be forced to fight for the black vote by offering something other than the same old 1960's hand outs. This would be very good for blacks.

BTW: have the Democrats ever had a black chairman?

As a matter of fact yes, Ron Brown 1989-1993. Welcome to the 20th century, Republicans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_National_Committee
Clinton didn't appoint any minorities you say-WRONG AGAIN
Does Secretary of Commerce Ron Brown ring a bell, Togo West Secretary of Veteran Affairs,etc..

http://clinton5.nara.gov/WH/Accomplishments/eightyears-11.html
President Clinton appointed the most diverse Cabinet in history. Over the past eight years, he has appointed seven African American Cabinet Secretaries, and women make up 44 percent of Clinton Administration appointees, including the first woman to serve as Secretary of State, Madeline Albright, and the first to serve as Attorney General, Janet Reno. The President also appointed the first Asian American to serve in a Cabinet, Commerce Secretary Norman Mineta. The President has appointed more African Americans to federal judgeships than were appointed during the last sixteen years combined and 14 percent of all Clinton Administration appointees are African American, twice as many as in any previous Administration. President Clinton appointed three times as many female judges as the two previous administrations and the most Hispanic judicial nominees of any President. Record numbers of people with disabilities are also serving in the White House and throughout the Clinton Administration

As far as black senators, there is one, Barack Obama, a democrat. There are 43 black members in congress, you tell me how many are Republicans.
Your whole premise is that the liberals are actually prejudiced against blacks and republicans are really the ones promoting qualified blacks and I just showed you that this is another RIGHT WING FAIRY TALE.

 

[ProfJohn]

Secretary of commere huh?

Well let's see... on the list of succession
Sec of State is 4

Sec of Commerce is 10... slight step down there
and after Ron Brown you have to go to Togo West? ummm yea...

Meanwhile those "racists" Republicans have apointed TWO black Secretaries of State, one of whom is a female. Making her the most powerful black female in the history of the country. And she is far from window dressing. The base loves Condi, hence the calls for her to become President or most likely VP on 2008.

I am not saying that liberal are against blacks, what I am saying is that the myth of racists Republicans, is just that, a myth.

 

[GroundedSailor]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
What is with this "token" black Republican thing?

Let's see...
Last black named to supreme court was named by a Republican

Only two black secretaries of state were both named by a Republican.

Meanwhile, Clinton the "first black President" did not name a black to one MAJOR position.

The fact that Democrats get 90+% of the black vote means that they take them for granted. If Steele is named head of the RNC and does a good job at it then Democrats will be forced to fight for the black vote by offering something other than the same old 1960's hand outs. This would be very good for blacks.


BTW: have the Democrats ever had a black chairman?

Lets talk about the people you mentioned.
Black supreme court judge: this guy is so far right that he is almost a a blight on the supreme court. Mention Clarence Thomas in a any group and eyes roll.

Colin Powell: A man who started off with a lot of respect and admiration but lost it all with his sense of 'loyalty'. Unceremoniously dumped by the Repubs when he privately disagreed with their (PNAC idealogical) agenda. But he did not have the integrity to come out say what he should have in public. So he loses his position due to dissent in a loyalty based setup and loses his reputation in the general public for lack of integrity. hardly a role model for blacks.

Condi Rice? Her one redeeming quality is loyalty. Follow the party line is her forte. There's not an original thought that is attributed to her. Her study area was Soviet Union - a concept which ended in 1991 and is not relevant today. It's not for nothing she is referred to as Bushs' lapdog. and what has she achieved as Sec of state? Nada, zilch in terms of foreign policy. Again not a role model.

As far as Steele is concerned where do you get the figure of 90% black vote for him? Most of the counties with large black voters did not vote for him.