Mexico's drug war is crossing into the US.

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...nm/us_usa_mexico_drugs

PHOENIX (Reuters) ? Hit men dressed in fake police tactical gear burst into a home in Phoenix, rake it with gunfire and execute a man.

Armed kidnappers snatch victims from cars and even a local shopping mall across the Phoenix valley for ransom, turning the sun-baked city into the "kidnap capital" of the United States.


Violence of this kind is common in Mexico where drug cartel abductions and executions are a daily feature of a raging drug war that claimed 6,000 lives south of the border last year.

But U.S. authorities now fear that violent crime is beginning to bleed over the porous Mexico border and take hold here.

"The fight in Mexico is about domination of the smuggling corridors and those corridors don't stop at the border," Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard said.

Execution style murders, violent home invasions, and a spiraling kidnap rate in Phoenix -- where police reported an average of one abduction a day last year linked to Mexican crime -- are not the only examples along the border.

In southern California, police have investigated cases of Americans abducted by armed groups tied to the Tijuana drug trade. One involved a businesswoman and her teenage daughter snatched in San Diego last year and held to ransom south of the border.

In south Texas, a live hand grenade traced back to a Mexican cartel stash was tossed onto the pool table of a bar frequented by off-duty police officers in January. The pin was left in it and the assailant fled.

COPING WITH SPILLOVER

Mexican traffickers have always been violent, but the death toll has soared since President Felipe Calderon took office in late 2006 and sent tens of thousands of troops to fight the country's powerful cocaine cartels.

Soldiers have fought pitched battles with drug gangs in several Mexican towns and overwhelmed police officers have fled municipal forces the length of the border. In many cases, police officers have been paid off by the drug gangs or even joined them.

In a sign of an increasingly desperate struggle to rein in the violence, Calderon this week ordered 5,000 more troops and federal police to Ciudad Juarez, just across the border from El Paso, Texas.

The cartels have killed 250 people in Ciudad Juarez in the past month, forced the police chief to resign, and shut down the airport with bomb threats.

The struggle by outgunned Mexican authorities to contain the violence was highlighted for Arizona state police last November, when Mexican police officers pinned down in a raging gun battle in Nogales, Sonora, reached out to them with an urgent request for more bullets.

While U.S. authorities stress they have not seen anything like the kind of street battles and horrific beheadings that are now common in Mexico, they are already taking action to curb was has become known as "overspill".

Texas Gov. Rick Perry says he wants 1,000 troops to guard the border. The state's Attorney General Greg Abbott is backing legislation to crack down on money laundering and human, drug and weapons trafficking through the state by the warring Gulf and Sinaloa cartels.

Lawmakers in Arizona heard testimony on border violence last week from police and prosecutors, who are seeking more robust measures to seize smugglers' assets, as well as cracking down harder on gunrunning to Mexico.

PLANNING FOR THE WORST

Washington has stepped up support for Calderon, pledging to give Mexico helicopters, surveillance aircraft, inspection equipment and police training under a $1.4 billion plan to beat the cartels in Mexico and Central America.

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano -- a former Arizona governor -- told a Congressional hearing last week she was focused on curbing the southbound traffic in guns that are being used to arm the violent cartels.

In a measure of that commitment, a Phoenix gun dealer goes on trial next week on charges he sold hundreds of weapons, including AK-47 assault rifles, to smugglers knowing they would send them to a powerful cartel in Sinaloa state on Mexico's Pacific coast.

As the spiraling drug violence shakes Mexican cities and towns along the U.S. border, U.S. Senate lawmakers announced last week they would hold two hearings to assess the ability of U.S. security forces to deal with the rise in crime on the U.S. side.

Senator Joseph Lieberman, chairman of the homeland security governmental affairs committee, said the panel would assess border security programs already in place and review whether federal, state and local authorities are ready to respond to any serious spillover of the Mexican drugs war.

For the sheriff of Hidalgo County, in south Texas, where the live grenade was thrown into a bar in Pharr, possibly by street gang members armed by a Mexican cartel, that renewed attention to the war on his doorstep can only be welcome.

"It's the first time we've had a hand grenade attack," Guadalupe Trevino told Reuters. "I believe there's more out there that we need to find."

I'm surprised no one has been talking about this issue at all. It's turning into a huge crisis and only looks to get worse. For those who don't know, Mexico is basically at war with the drug cartels. You also know it's bad when a US city is turned into a "kidnap for ransom" capital due to a different countries drug problems.

The drug war going on down there is definitely getting out of hand. So much the police chief had to resign recently due to threats against officers as long as he was the chief. Travel warnings are up for Mexico, shop owners and cops murdered daily on the border.

Mexico is on it's way to collapse and no one really gives a crap. Soon we'll be dealing with 3 wars pretty quickly. Except this one's at our backdoor.

Here is a few weeks old article on the subject: http://www.newsmax.com/newsfro...2009/02/17/182824.html
 

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The US government continues to turn a blind eye to border issues with Mexico despite an overwhelming majority of Americans who would like to see it be taken seriously. I see Mexico as a cancerous tumor that should be kept in check, personally. The country is falling apart and for the US to be next to a nation that is teeming with corruption and has a completely fubared economy is a bit strange.
 

Genx87

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Clearly this tells us we need to take away guns from law abiding citizens.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: palehorse
Originally posted by: Genx87
Clearly this tells us we need to take away guns from law abiding citizens.

I was thinking the same thing... ;)

Funny I was thinking almost the same thing. We need to stop taking away drugs from law abiding citizens.
 

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I think drugs should be addressed two fold: 1) Legalize marijuana, 2) Put other drug offenders into forced-work camps, basically making punishment even worse. Make the idea of being caught for drug use/selling of the hard stuff completely ridiculous. Oh, and get serious with the border of course.
 

Lemon law

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The problem is that the 38 billion US citizens spend on illegal drugs stretches much further in Mexico. If we want to know who funds the drug traffickers in Mexico, US citizens need only reach for the nearest mirror.

And now as the battle progresses, they have all but won in Mexico, and are now coming into the USA. Armed to the teeth, thanks to loopholes in US gun laws.
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The problem is that the 38 billion US citizens spend on illegal drugs stretches much further in Mexico. If we want to know who funds the drug traffickers in Mexico, US citizens need only reach for the nearest mirror.

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Exactly The US citizens who consume the drugs are the real problem. Trying to scapegoat the problem like some of the racist's do is obviously ridiculous.
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The problem is that the 38 billion US citizens spend on illegal drugs stretches much further in Mexico. If we want to know who funds the drug traffickers in Mexico, US citizens need only reach for the nearest mirror.

And now as the battle progresses, they have all but won in Mexico, and are now coming into the USA. Armed to the teeth, thanks to loopholes in US gun laws.

So close the 'loopholes' and don't tear up the constitution and take away my right to defend myself. The 2nd Amendment is not a 'suggestion'.. its a RIGHT.. and if the problem is as big as you seem to want to say it is there is no reason to deny me the right to weapons which I can use the defend my house, my property, and my family against the people streaming across the border YOUR President refuses to address.
 

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Originally posted by: eternalone
Originally posted by: Lemon law
The problem is that the 38 billion US citizens spend on illegal drugs stretches much further in Mexico. If we want to know who funds the drug traffickers in Mexico, US citizens need only reach for the nearest mirror.

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Exactly The US citizens who consume the drugs are the real problem. Trying to scapegoat the problem like some of the racist's do is obviously ridiculous.
The thugs and scum fill the demands from, well, the thugs and scum. The US needs to figure out a way to get people to stop being dumbasses and start snorting crack.

 

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
The US government continues to turn a blind eye to border issues with Mexico despite an overwhelming majority of Americans who would like to see it be taken seriously. I see Mexico as a cancerous tumor that should be kept in check, personally. The country is falling apart and for the US to be next to a nation that is teeming with corruption and has a completely fubared economy is a bit strange.

If a government is destructive to your human rights, such as the federal government forcing your state to accept this invasion, then it is the duty of your state to do everything necessary to secure itself.

You want a solution? Secede from the Union, take the saved tax money and pour it into border defense. It?s a rather simple and binary choice, to survive or not. To defend yourself from invasion or not. Americans don?t have to put up with becoming a third world nation.

There is no reason for it to be forced on your local representatives.
 

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I'm glad we are protecting the US from attacks by having 100K+ soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would be really scared that foreign people would cross our borders and attack US citizens if it wasn't for all the troops and hardware we have overseas preventing this
 

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So, when do we launch our counter-invasion? Acquiring Mexican territory by force always seems to be a boon to our economy. Now thats change($) I can get behind! :D

:p

Seriously though, boarder patrol is one of the inherit functions of the military....every military.....ever.... Put the troops on the boarder where they belong. The Northern boarder w/ Canada is largely alright with the civilian force patrolling it, but the Southern boarder is a complete mess. If we don't put a stop to it now, we will pay for it dearly later.
 

Fear No Evil

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Originally posted by: brandonbull
I'm glad we are protecting the US from attacks by having 100K+ soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would be really scared that foreign people would cross our borders and attack US citizens if it wasn't for all the troops and hardware we have overseas preventing this

U.S. Military troops are not allowed to be deployed in the United States. I know its tough for you to understand this and not just spew a talking point but its true. Now if you want to argue our National Guard troops should not be in Iraq/Afghanistan thats another argument which you did not make, and its not 100k of them. So perhaps rewrite your thoughts to make some sense?
 

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Originally posted by: Lemon law
The problem is that the 38 billion US citizens spend on illegal drugs stretches much further in Mexico. If we want to know who funds the drug traffickers in Mexico, US citizens need only reach for the nearest mirror.

And now as the battle progresses, they have all but won in Mexico, and are now coming into the USA. Armed to the teeth, thanks to loopholes in US gun laws.




You mean thanks to no border control.
 

CycloWizard

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Originally posted by: smack Down
Funny I was thinking almost the same thing. We need to stop taking away drugs from law abiding citizens.
If they have drugs, then they're not law abiding citizens. Try to keep up.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
I think drugs should be addressed two fold: 1) Legalize marijuana, 2) Put other drug offenders into forced-work camps, basically making punishment even worse. Make the idea of being caught for drug use/selling of the hard stuff completely ridiculous. Oh, and get serious with the border of course.

lol you think they are starting a war over the crappy ass weed from Mexico that they can't even sell?
 

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Skoorb
I think drugs should be addressed two fold: 1) Legalize marijuana, 2) Put other drug offenders into forced-work camps, basically making punishment even worse. Make the idea of being caught for drug use/selling of the hard stuff completely ridiculous. Oh, and get serious with the border of course.

lol you think they are starting a war over the crappy ass weed from Mexico that they can't even sell?
Partly. I think the main gist of this is over harder drugs, but certainly illegal import of marijuana is some small piece of the "drug war". It is a part that affects a lot of people in the US even if not in major ways like being caught selling a brick of cocaine. I assume that most of the drug war is over hard stuff, though, the kind that really fugs up people's lives.

 
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Get rid of the demand, get rid of the industry. We all know people are never going to stop doing drugs, it's time to acknowledge this and bring the drug culture out of the shadows.
 

smack Down

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Originally posted by: Fear No Evil
Originally posted by: brandonbull
I'm glad we are protecting the US from attacks by having 100K+ soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. I would be really scared that foreign people would cross our borders and attack US citizens if it wasn't for all the troops and hardware we have overseas preventing this

U.S. Military troops are not allowed to be deployed in the United States. I know its tough for you to understand this and not just spew a talking point but its true. Now if you want to argue our National Guard troops should not be in Iraq/Afghanistan thats another argument which you did not make, and its not 100k of them. So perhaps rewrite your thoughts to make some sense?

Fine deploy them on the Mexican side of the border. Would make the troops much more efficient and then you also get around all those constitutional issues.