Mexico on the verge of becoming failed state

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: dawp
probably legalizing drugs here would be the best thing for Mexico. it would take away the cash flow from the cartels and smugglers, we could set up pot farms in mexico, buy coca from farmers in South America, opemium from poppy farmers. tax it like alcohol, and monitor it for impurities and, if nesessary, cut it with inert, safe filler. but that would make too much sense.

And what do we do about the people who get addicted to the harder drugs? Sure, it's pure and regulated, but that doesn't make it any less addicting. You can't just decide to stop using them.

Well instead of innocent people suffering it will just be those who use the drugs..

 

[HombrePequeno]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Heh. Mexico isn't really a poor country, at all, it's just a country with extremely high and highly institutionalized inequality based on mordita, organized and institutionalized corruption. That's particularly true along the border with the US. Smuggling in both directions is a cornucopia of graft, more pronounced on the southern side. Proceeds don't remain in Mexico, but are rather exported to caribbean and european tax havens, diversified into international holdings. It's a wealth extraction machine of the highest order.

The price of a long distance phonecall to Juarez is much, much higher than the same call to El Paso, for example. That sort of difference is the basis for Carlos Slim's wealth, and the wealth of the entire Mexican oligarchy. Current levels of violence are just symptoms of some shifts in who's at the top, kinda like the gangwars of the 1920's in the US... The winners will be those who are more brutal, more efficient, to put it in capitalistic terms. Mexico and other similar states aren't failed, at all, but just different, much more rightwing in terms of operation- following the basic blueprint of oligarchies everywhere from the beginning of history. Groundroots discontent is a constant in such systems, flaring into political movements and violence whenever the parasites at the top become too successful.

Very well thought out post. :beer:

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: techs
Let's see. Vincente Fox, Bush ally and political protege? Check.
Disputed Presidential election where the right wing neo-con wins? Check.
Mexico failing? Check.

straw man? Check.

 

[dawp]

Originally posted by: XZeroII

Originally posted by: dawp
probably legalizing drugs here would be the best thing for Mexico. it would take away the cash flow from the cartels and smugglers, we could set up pot farms in mexico, buy coca from farmers in South America, opemium from poppy farmers. tax it like alcohol, and monitor it for impurities and, if nesessary, cut it with inert, safe filler. but that would make too much sense.

And what do we do about the people who get addicted to the harder drugs? Sure, it's pure and regulated, but that doesn't make it any less addicting. You can't just decide to stop using them.

People are gonna use anyways, if it were legal, there wouldn't be such a taboo about seeking treatment as there is now. All making drugs illegal does is feed the prison industry.

 

[lightstar]

:thumbsup: some really good points in this thread. . . .we will need to deal with this situation to remain a superpower

 

[CallMeJoe]

Originally posted by: dawp
People are gonna use anyways, if it were legal, there wouldn't be such a taboo about seeking treatment as there is now. All making drugs illegal does is feed the prison industry.

:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
There is far more personal and social damage stemming from the illegality of the drugs than from the drugs themselves.

 

[soccerballtux]

What do you think would happen if we legalized drugs and put all the Mexicans out of business?