Mexico is F'd up.

[FelixDeCat]

No. but I do know "what is sin/vice" is a subjective opinion that you are entitled to.

Sin is not subject to opinion. You would have to be on drugs to say something like that.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

Sin is not subject to opinion. You would have to be on drugs to say something like that.

Sin implies religious connotation. You are free to practice or not practice whatever religion you choose. What religion are you?

 

[crownjules]

What about the users that have increased the demand for the drugs.

No responsibility there?

Humans have been using "drugs" of one sort or another since the beginning of time. Suddenly a government comes along and thinks it can legislate it's people out of doing it? All that does it change them from addicts that need rehabilitating into non-violent convicts, sucking up taxpayer money and learning how to become real criminals.

 

[Genx87]

What about the users that have increased the demand for the drugs.

No responsibility there?

In this scenario if the drug laws were removed. People would continue to use the drugs but the violence from trying to control the black market evaporates. We dont have cartels for other mind altering substances like wine, beer, tobacco, and hard alcohol.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

In this scenario if the drug laws were removed. People would continue to use the drugs but the violence from trying to control the black market evaporates. We dont have cartels for other mind altering substances like wine, beer, tobacco, and hard alcohol.

The fact this needs explanation pretty much negates the point of even discussing it. This should be obvious to anyone with primitive critical thinking skills.

 

[hanoverphist]

The war on drugs was being fought long before the 90's bro

oh, i know. the 90s were the heyday of it tho, IMO. drug cartels have been killing people over drugs and money for much longer as well.

 

[hanoverphist]

We have been waging the war in a major way since Nixon.

You contradict yourself. You claim the war on drugs isnt the main cause of the these deaths yet admit the deaths happen due to the lucrative black market drug trade made available by our drug laws.

i dont contradict at all. i said that it happened before the stricter laws, just like its happening now. i also didnt say anything about only this country. so, it wasnt directed at only our strict drug laws.

and i was mistaken on the 90s, i meant the 80s when i mentions the "war on drugs" heyday. i remember the push for it all in high school, i thought it was ridiculous then too. but, back then you could get a quarter for 20 bucks pretty much anywhere. 15 from friends.

 

[0roo0roo]

Every death in Mexico is a result of our fucked up drug laws. The blood is on the hands of our incompetent politicians.

sorry no, their country was screwed up long before drugs.

backwards culture doesn't help, sure the drugs add to it, but like it or not they had as much time to rise to become a first world nation as we did, but they just botched it

 

[IceBergSLiM]

sorry no, their country was screwed up long before drugs.

backwards culture doesn't help, sure the drugs add to it, but like it or not they had as much time to rise to become a first world nation as we did, but they just botched it

What culture are you from?

 

[0roo0roo]

What culture are you from?

How about you learn something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhBShGlZjI

 

[IceBergSLiM]

How about you learn something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arhBShGlZjI

bloxed

 

[classy]

We should take Mexico. I have been in favor for a awhile now of having some of our military go in and knock off these gangs. It would be clean quick and swift.

 

[Josh123]

I don't know why we put all this effort towards terrorism in the Middle East when we clearly have a huge problem directly below us. The US needs to send in black ops groups and take the fight to these cartels and say F the Mexican government.

 

[TheNinja]

I don't blame then. Who would want to work a police job where...worst case, you are likely to get killed and they might come after your family.....and best case, you make a few hundred bucks a week? Definitely not worth it imo.

 

[amdhunter]

They should let ATOT become the Police force there. I am sure as hell we could fix Mexico in a few weeks.

 

[IceBergSLiM]

I don't know why we put all this effort towards terrorism in the Middle East when we clearly have a huge problem directly below us. The US needs to send in black ops groups and take the fight to these cartels and say F the Mexican government.

Just playing whack a mole at that point.

 

[shortylickens]

Every death in Mexico is a result of our fucked up drug laws. The blood is on the hands of our incompetent politicians.

I would rather blame the typical weak American who cant deal with anything in their lives and prefers to numb themselves with chemicals.
Legal or illegal makes no difference and isnt the problem anyway. Its a health care problem.

 

[FDF12389]

We should take Mexico. I have been in favor for a awhile now of having some of our military go in and knock off these gangs. It would be clean quick and swift.

No it wouldn't, it would be long, painful, and bloody. In the end we would win, but our losses would out number theirs. If you don't believe me, then you are greatly underestimating them.

 

[FDF12389]

I would rather blame the typical weak American who cant deal with anything in their lives and prefers to numb themselves with chemicals.

You mean like beer right?

 

[SMOGZINN]

I would rather blame the typical weak American who cant deal with anything in their lives and prefers to numb themselves with chemicals.
Legal or illegal makes no difference and isnt the problem anyway. Its a health care problem.

I would rather blame evolution for there being plants with chemicals that effect humans! Except that blaming things that we can't control like plant chemical make up and human nature is not really useful. Overall who to blame is not the issue, how to fix it should be.

So, looking at the issue realistically what can we do to help? We can legalize the drugs and turn the cartels into ordinary businesses.

 

[hanoverphist]

You mean like beer right?

or aleve/ tylenol/ ibuprofen?

 

[Macamus Prime]

This is what America's drug habit is causing and creating.

Also, think about what you could do with all that money you shove into the pockets of thugs and blood thirsty drug lords.

 

[zinfamous]

I read the post header and thought, No Shit! We need a good comet to add to the Gulf of Mexico.

Um, it's already there, bro

and it's why we're here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_crater

 

[Barfo]

http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-towns-police-force-quits-attack-232518398.html

So all the police have quit after killing 5 officers and the police chief. The article also talks about this:

"Near the northern industrial hub of Monterrey, police found the bodies of two men each hanging by an ankle from a pedestrian bridge. Officers said a witness reported that gunmen strung up the men alive and then shot them.

Such grisly displays at bridges have become common in and around Monterrey as well as in other Mexican cities torn by drug violence."

Yup, some people in Mexico are fucked up...is that news to you?

 

[Ns1]

You know using that sh*t is a vice or sin? The users, the suppliers and their associates are all responsible for the deaths. Dont try to hold one side harmless because doing so makes you a drug sympathizer (which is quite evident already).

In other news, Mexico is making headway against the people that supply those idiots. There is positive news along with the negative.

Just the other day a "coke sub" was captured by US & Honduran authorities: http://www.craigboyce.com/w/2011/08/drug-submarine-captured-in-western-caribbean/

See: alcohol/prohibition