Mexicans say Mexican-Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.

[Hammerman]

Nearly 70% of Mexican-Americans, including those born here, say their primary loyalty is to Mexico and not the USA

http://www.facebook.com/GovJanBrewer#!/topic.php?uid=173347701125&topic=15446

 

[bfdd]

Then they should lose their citizenship. I don't care where you're from, your loyalty is to lie with the nation you hold citizenship with above all else. I don't give a fuck if they're Mexican, Irish, Ukrainian or whatever. These people do not consider us their family, they do not consider us their brothers and sisters, they are not American and do not deserve citizenship.

 

[Jaskalas]

Balkanization is the cost of the invasion we currently suffer.

 

[xj0hnx]

Mexican-Americans

Unless they hold dual citizenship there is no such thing, either you are an American, or you are not.

 

[bfdd]

Unless they hold dual citizenship there is no such thing, either you are an American, or you are not.

True that.

You're going to get people in here who come and slam me for saying what I did or say nothing is wrong with this. I have one thing to say, if the USA and Mexico went to war tomorrow these people would side with Mexico. That makes them traitors as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for dissent, but if the poll is correct this is far more than just dissent.

 

[Throckmorton]

Unless they hold dual citizenship there is no such thing, either you are an American, or you are not.

In that case, this thread title should say "Some Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.", which means a significantly different thing and would create a completely different and meaningless discussion.


Maybe we should go through every thread on this forum and replace every reference to race and ethnicity, so we can be color blind. A lot of threads won't make any sense, but I guess that's the price we'd pay for politically correct homogenization.

 

[bfdd]

Another key thing to point out so people don't think I missed it, this was a poll for Mexicans. Not Americans of Mexican heritage.

 

[xj0hnx]

In that case, this thread title should say "Some Americans Owe Loyalty to Mexico Over U.S.", which means a significantly different thing and would create a completely different and meaningless discussion.


Maybe we should go through every thread on this forum and replace every reference to race and ethnicity, so we can be color blind. A lot of threads won't make any sense, but I guess that's the price we'd pay for politically correct homogenization.

It doesn't have shit to do with "political correctness", either you are an American citizen, or you are not an American citizen. I know tons of "Mexican-Americans" and a very large percentage were not born in Mexico, and many aren't even second generation. I'd be curious to know what percentage of "African-Americans" are from Africa, or are even fourth, or fifth generation. It's just another division used to keep people in this country separated.

 

[IronWing]

Nearly 70% of Mexican-Americans, including those born here, say their primary loyalty is to Mexico and not the USA

http://www.facebook.com/GovJanBrewer#!/topic.php?uid=173347701125&topic=15446

Where is this poll? Your link goes to Jan Brewer's Facebook page.

Okay, found the story in the discussions section. Let's ask Israelis how they feel about the loyalties of American citizens of Jewish ancestry then come back here and have another pointless bitch session. Then we could ask the Chinese, the Koreans. the Japanese, the Irish, the Brits, the Egyptians...

 

[bfdd]

It doesn't have shit to do with "political correctness", either you are an American citizen, or you are not an American citizen. I know tons of "Mexican-Americans" and a very large percentage were not born in Mexico, and many aren't even second generation. I'd be curious to know what percentage of "African-Americans" are from Africa, or are even fourth, or fifth generation. It's just another division used to keep people in this country separated.

I completely agree.

 

[bfdd]

Where is this poll? Your link goes to Jan Brewer's Facebook page.

Okay, found the story in the discussions section. Let's ask Israelis how they feel about the loyalties of American citizens of Jewish ancestry then come back here and have another pointless bitch session. Then we could ask the Chinese, the Koreans. the Japanese, the Irish, the Brits, the Egyptians...

I just polled my Chinese friend. He thinks if you're an American citizen, then America comes first.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Our own President seems more interested in protecting Mexico's people than our own country.

 

[CanOWorms]

Wow, people in another country want people to be loyal. I wouldn't mind if all Mongolians would pledge loyalty to the United States over Mongolia.

We have a history in the United States of Americans putting various European countries before the United States. Shouldn't their loyalties be in question? How many American lives have been sacrificed for European interests?

 

[bfdd]

Wow, people in another country want people to be loyal. I wouldn't mind if all Mongolians would pledge loyalty to the United States over Mongolia.

We have a history in the United States of Americans putting various European countries before the United States. Shouldn't their loyalties be in question? How many American lives have been sacrificed for European interests?

That shit was wrong too. All the douche bags here who went and fought for Germany, fuck them. Your analogy with Mongolians is so fucking wrong. It would be people from the USA saying anyone who is a Mongolian citizen, but has heritage stemming from the USA should pledge loyalty to the USA. That would just be stupid.

 

[Nemesis 1]

True that.

You're going to get people in here who come and slam me for saying what I did or say nothing is wrong with this. I have one thing to say, if the USA and Mexico went to war tomorrow these people would side with Mexico. That makes them traitors as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for dissent, but if the poll is correct this is far more than just dissent.

Thus the reason jap americans were rounded up durring WWII.

 

[IronWing]

I just polled my Chinese friend. He thinks if you're an American citizen, then America comes first.

Is your Chinese friend a Chinese national living in China?

 

[IronWing]

That shit was wrong too. All the douche bags here who went and fought for Germany, fuck them. Your analogy with Mongolians is so fucking wrong. It would be people from the USA saying anyone who is a Mongolian citizen, but has heritage stemming from the USA should pledge loyalty to the USA. That would just be stupid.

I agree, it would be stupid. But it doesn't reflect at all on the hypothetical Mongolians of American descent. That's what's wrong with the this story. The poll was of Mexicans living in Mexico. Who cares what they think?

 

[spidey07]

Our own President seems more interested in protecting Mexico's people than our own country.

You didn't catch the big applause by him and congress when the mexican president condemned our laws on immigration?

You are absolutely correct.

 

[OCGuy]

Good, hopefully they are first on the bus back.

 

[bfdd]

Thus the reason jap americans were rounded up durring WWII.

sigh... I knew someone would bring this up. That was a very poor decision and it hurt a lot of patriotic Americans. They had not been found to have been pledging loyalty to Japan, we round them up so they couldn't. I'm talking AFTER THE FACT. AFTER someone pledges loyalty to another nation while still being a citizen of ours and living here, they should be tried for treason. They are a traitor to our nation and would pick the enemy side if it ever came to blows. Those aren't our brothers, those aren't our sisters, those are traitors who have no respect for you or I. I do not care where their genetic/cultural heritage is from.

 

[bfdd]

Is your Chinese friend a Chinese national living in China?

One of the two I've asked so far is, the other is sitting across from me. He is not an American citizen, he is a Chinese citizen.

Also, I do agree that we shouldn't totally care what Mexicans in Mexico think, but these are the same sentiments that are being brought up into the USA and are things big groups like La Raza are pushing for.

 

[piasabird]

I guess they care more about their American Job than Mexico. There are plenty of American Ex-Pats living overseas that dont really have a connection to where they live other than a job. As long as Mexicans can abide by our laws that is all we can hope for. So if they caught and sent back, I wont cry for them. Neither will I care for their problems. They can leave and go home any time. I did not invite them so they can solve their own problems.

Maybe the next time all the Mexicans decide they want to march and disrupt people in America, we will bring out the tanks and just mow them down like they did in China. Americans will only put up with so much of this kind of baloney. I grow tired of the Mexican Pity Party.

Freedom is not Free!

 

[ShawnD1]

You're going to get people in here who come and slam me for saying what I did or say nothing is wrong with this. I have one thing to say, if the USA and Mexico went to war tomorrow these people would side with Mexico. That makes them traitors as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for dissent, but if the poll is correct this is far more than just dissent.

So what you're saying is that Americans living in Canada or UK who still identify themselves as American should be immediately deported from whatever country they are in? That's a bit strange, but ok.

 

[Throckmorton]

It doesn't have shit to do with "political correctness", either you are an American citizen, or you are not an American citizen. I know tons of "Mexican-Americans" and a very large percentage were not born in Mexico, and many aren't even second generation. I'd be curious to know what percentage of "African-Americans" are from Africa, or are even fourth, or fifth generation. It's just another division used to keep people in this country separated.

"Mexican-American" refers to a specific group of people, those descended from Mexican immigrants or Mexican immigrants themselves.

The term has meaning and is part of our language. That meaning is necessary to even have this discussion. So get over it.

 

[bfdd]

So what you're saying is that Americans living in Canada or UK who still identify themselves as American should be immediately deported from whatever country they are in? That's a bit strange, but ok.

No. I'm saying citizens of the United States who pledge loyalty to another nation should be stripped of their citizenship. Americans living in Canada are still Americans, just like Chinese, Mexicans, Irish, etc living in the USA are still Chinese, Mexican, Irish, etc. I would not expect a migrant non-citizen to pledge loyalty to the USA, but I do expect our citizens to.