Mexican Army in Phoenix...

[Analog]

Police reports show that three men arrested in a Phoenix home invasion and homicide Monday may have been active members of the Mexican Army.

While on the J.D. Hayworth show, Phoenix Law Enforcement Association President Mark Spencer said that the men involved were hired by drug cartels to perform home invasions and assassinations.

The Monday morning incident at 8329 W. Cypress St. resulted in the death of the homeowner. Between 50 and 100 rounds were fired at the house.

Spencer said a police officer told him that one of the men captured said they were completely prepared to ambush Phoenix police, but ran out of ammunition.

He added that all were all dressed in military tactical gear and were armed with AR-15 assault rifles. Three other men involved in the invasion escaped.
http://kfyi.com/pages/local_ne...118695&article=3875223

 

[CPA]

holy crap!

 

[buck]

... Jeebus.

 

[Anubis]

Mexico has oil right?

time to invade

 

[RbSX]

So.. why bother invading iran? Just nuke mexico, they cause more problems anyhow.

 

[Analog]

Originally posted by: Anubis
Mexico has oil right?

time to invade

Trade Phoenix for the oil?

 

[EvilYoda]

Whoo hoo, I love being here!

 

[Anubis]

Originally posted by: Analog

Originally posted by: Anubis
Mexico has oil right?

time to invade

Trade Phoenix for the oil?

i can live with that

 

[Queasy]

Wow, it's almost like we should have some sort of physical obstruction to keep people from crossing our border illegally. It would have to be tall, fairly wide, and possibly made out of metal...

 

[waggy]

seems like a invasion to me.


Why don't we have the military on oure boarder? shouldnt that be a job for them? you know defending the country?

 

[JakwoW]

Originally posted by: waggy
seems like a invasion to me.


Why don't we have the military on oure boarder? shouldnt that be a job for them? you know defending the country?

Because Great Almighty Bush sent them all away to fight the terr-ists.

 

[nakedfrog]

Shouldn't this be an international incident?

 

[Skel]

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Analog

Originally posted by: Anubis
Mexico has oil right?

time to invade

Trade Phoenix for the oil?

i can live with that

Hold on now... I can't...

 

[ViviTheMage]

invasion, whats BUSH GONNA DO!??!?!?

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: JakwoW

Originally posted by: waggy
seems like a invasion to me.


Why don't we have the military on oure boarder? shouldnt that be a job for them? you know defending the country?

Because Great Almighty Bush sent them all away to fight the terr-ists.

that would be a good argument IF we had the troops on the boarder BEFORE bush was in office.

 

[GuitarDaddy]

How did they get into the US with their gear and AR-15's?

I say extradite them to Mexico in a nice wooden box

 

[hanoverphist]

Originally posted by: Skel

Originally posted by: Anubis

Originally posted by: Analog

Originally posted by: Anubis
Mexico has oil right?

time to invade

Trade Phoenix for the oil?

i can live with that

Hold on now... I can't...

most stores in pocket areas are already signed in spanish, as well as targeted at mexicans, just like most of the west side and parts of mesa. hell, drive down broadway between country club and stapely and youd think you were in mexico as it is.


i dont want to be part of mexico either. i do love how they titled the article "Mexican Army Members Busted for Home Invasion and Murder" and the last line of the article states "Sgt. Joel Tranter said one suspect revealed that he had "prior military training," but "no credible evidence" that any of them were active in the military.". sensationalism FTW!

 

[OutHouse]

why hasent this hit the national news. its funny how anything that Mexico does is swept under the rug and not talked about. what are OUR elected politicians afraid of??

 

[RightIsWrong]

The OP is fear mongering and left out a wee-tiny part of the story:

Sgt. Joel Tranter said one suspect revealed that he had "prior military training," but "no credible evidence" that any of them were active in the military.

Unless it can be linked to the Mexican military and can be verified that it was sanctioned by or commissioned by the Mexican military, this is nothing more than three men that may or may not have been military that are either deserters, veterans, AWOL or liars.

Until that can be proven, I'd like to think that Bush is smart enough to keep the international incidents down to the one debacle that we currently are heavily bogged down in.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Wow, it's almost like we should have some sort of physical obstruction to keep people from crossing our border illegally. It would have to be tall, fairly wide, possibly made out of metal and be manned by heavily armed members of the USMC with orders to shoot first and ask questions later.....

You left out a couple of things

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
The OP is fear mongering and left out a wee-tiny part of the story:

Sgt. Joel Tranter said one suspect revealed that he had "prior military training," but "no credible evidence" that any of them were active in the military.

Unless it can be linked to the Mexican military and can be verified that it was sanctioned by or commissioned by the Mexican military, this is nothing more than three men that may or may not have been military that are either deserters, veterans, AWOL or liars.

Until that can be proven, I'd like to think that Bush is smart enough to keep the international incidents down to the one debacle that we currently are heavily bogged down in.

I don't give a shit if they were part of the Mexican Army or not. Their dumb asses should not have been here and doing the shit they were.

Until we have REAL border security this kind of bullshit is only going to get worse and more frequent.

 

[dougp]

Originally posted by: waggy
seems like a invasion to me.


Why don't we have the military on oure boarder? shouldnt that be a job for them? you know defending the country?

Marines and National Guard here in Texas does assist on the border, but there's a lot that they can't do.

 

[RESmonkey]

Originally posted by: GuitarDaddy
How did they get into the US with their gear and AR-15's?

I say extradite them to Mexico in a nice wooden box

Assuming they're illegal? If so, I'm curious, as well. I mean, these are big guns.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
The OP is fear mongering and left out a wee-tiny part of the story:

Sgt. Joel Tranter said one suspect revealed that he had "prior military training," but "no credible evidence" that any of them were active in the military.

Unless it can be linked to the Mexican military and can be verified that it was sanctioned by or commissioned by the Mexican military, this is nothing more than three men that may or may not have been military that are either deserters, veterans, AWOL or liars.

Until that can be proven, I'd like to think that Bush is smart enough to keep the international incidents down to the one debacle that we currently are heavily bogged down in.

I don't give a shit if they were part of the Mexican Army or not. Their dumb asses should not have been here and doing the shit they were.

Until we have REAL border security this kind of bullshit is only going to get worse and more frequent.

:thumbsup:

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
The OP is fear mongering and left out a wee-tiny part of the story:

Sgt. Joel Tranter said one suspect revealed that he had "prior military training," but "no credible evidence" that any of them were active in the military.

Unless it can be linked to the Mexican military and can be verified that it was sanctioned by or commissioned by the Mexican military, this is nothing more than three men that may or may not have been military that are either deserters, veterans, AWOL or liars.

Until that can be proven, I'd like to think that Bush is smart enough to keep the international incidents down to the one debacle that we currently are heavily bogged down in.

I don't give a shit if they were part of the Mexican Army or not. Their dumb asses should not have been here and doing the shit they were.

Until we have REAL border security this kind of bullshit is only going to get worse and more frequent.

And just what do you envision this real border security looking like? I noticed that you quoted Queasy's post so I'm guessing that you think it is a starting point. What else?

A question for you and Queasy, what does your little fence accomplish when those that it is intended to keep out don't even bother going over or around it...but under it?

U.S. agents had been investigating the possibility of an elaborate drug-smuggling tunnel between Tijuana and San Diego for more than a year, but couldn't find it despite using military equipment so advanced it's classified.

Instead, as often happens with drug cases, the break came from tips.

The tips led to the discovery of the longest cross-border tunnel in U.S. history, running nearly a half-mile from a small warehouse near Tijuana's airport to the large Otay Mesa warehouse.

?This tunnel beats them all,? said Michael Unzueta, special agent in charge of the San Diego office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which investigated the case along with the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Border Patrol.

The tunnel runs 2,400 feet through sandstone and compacted sand and is equipped with lighting, ventilation and groundwater drainage systems.

Chest-high water collected at its deepest point, more than nine stories below warehouses and busy border roads in Otay Mesa.

?This is like being in a really big, long mine shaft,? Unzueta said after walking through the muggy passageway. ?It's really just carved right into the earth.?

Concrete was used to provide steady footing at a steep incline on the U.S. side as well as to support the walls of an 85-foot shaft under the Mexican warehouse.

Inside a large warehouse in Otay Mesa yesterday, investigators showed the opening into a 2,400-foot cross-border tunnel. Agents said the tunnel was the work of a well-funded and determined drug-smuggling group.
The tunnel was the work of a well-funded and determined drug-smuggling group, Unzueta said.

Mexican agents seized 2 tons of marijuana on the Mexican side. Their U.S. counterparts found 200 pounds.

Neither side has reported any arrests.

People come to this country on rafts across the ocean. Crossing rivers and deserts. If you really think that a cost-prohibitive fence is the answer...I might be wasting my time even entering into this conversation with you.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
The OP is fear mongering and left out a wee-tiny part of the story:

Sgt. Joel Tranter said one suspect revealed that he had "prior military training," but "no credible evidence" that any of them were active in the military.

Unless it can be linked to the Mexican military and can be verified that it was sanctioned by or commissioned by the Mexican military, this is nothing more than three men that may or may not have been military that are either deserters, veterans, AWOL or liars.

Until that can be proven, I'd like to think that Bush is smart enough to keep the international incidents down to the one debacle that we currently are heavily bogged down in.

I don't give a shit if they were part of the Mexican Army or not. Their dumb asses should not have been here and doing the shit they were.

Until we have REAL border security this kind of bullshit is only going to get worse and more frequent.

And just what do you envision this real border security looking like? I noticed that you quoted Queasy's post so I'm guessing that you think it is a starting point. What else?

A question for you and Queasy, what does your little fence accomplish when those that it is intended to keep out don't even bother going over or around it...but under it?

U.S. agents had been investigating the possibility of an elaborate drug-smuggling tunnel between Tijuana and San Diego for more than a year, but couldn't find it despite using military equipment so advanced it's classified.

Instead, as often happens with drug cases, the break came from tips.

The tips led to the discovery of the longest cross-border tunnel in U.S. history, running nearly a half-mile from a small warehouse near Tijuana's airport to the large Otay Mesa warehouse.

?This tunnel beats them all,? said Michael Unzueta, special agent in charge of the San Diego office of U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which investigated the case along with the Drug Enforcement Administration and the Border Patrol.

The tunnel runs 2,400 feet through sandstone and compacted sand and is equipped with lighting, ventilation and groundwater drainage systems.

Chest-high water collected at its deepest point, more than nine stories below warehouses and busy border roads in Otay Mesa.

?This is like being in a really big, long mine shaft,? Unzueta said after walking through the muggy passageway. ?It's really just carved right into the earth.?

Concrete was used to provide steady footing at a steep incline on the U.S. side as well as to support the walls of an 85-foot shaft under the Mexican warehouse.

Inside a large warehouse in Otay Mesa yesterday, investigators showed the opening into a 2,400-foot cross-border tunnel. Agents said the tunnel was the work of a well-funded and determined drug-smuggling group.
The tunnel was the work of a well-funded and determined drug-smuggling group, Unzueta said.

Mexican agents seized 2 tons of marijuana on the Mexican side. Their U.S. counterparts found 200 pounds.

Neither side has reported any arrests.

People come to this country on rafts across the ocean. Crossing rivers and deserts. If you really think that a cost-prohibitive fence is the answer...I might be wasting my time even entering into this conversation with you.

We have the technology to detect and locate that type of illegal border crossing. Like everything else though it takes someone really wanting to stop the flow of illegals into this country. Until a politician has the balls to say enough is enough and really allocate the resources necessary to stop the flood of illegals we are going to continue to be overrun.

Before someone steps in with the..."but 99% of the illegals are law abiding people who just want to work" argument.

1. If they were law abiding they wouldn't cross illegally in the first place.
2. 99% may be hard workers, but I don't want the 1% that aren't here. We have enough of our own deadbeats that we don't need to be importing them.