Merriam-Webster's definition of faith

[Infohawk]

"Faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof"

Since there's no proof, there's no reason to believe. Faithful people do not respond to reason. Thus they cannot explain anything to those of use who believe in reason and, unfortunately, we cannot show them how truly unreasonable they're being.

Solution: leave reasoning and thoughtful discussion to those who believe in it. Leave religious nuts alone and marginilize them where necessary (read Osama, George W., Sharon, and other faithful fools).

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
"Faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof"



Since there's no proof, there's no reason to believe. Faithful people do not respond to reason. Thus they cannot explain anything to those of use who believe in reason and, unfortunately, we cannot show them how truly unreasonable they're being.



Solution: leave reasoning and thoughtful discussion to those who believe in it. Leave religious nuts alone and marginilize them where necessary (read Osama, George W., Sharon, and other faithful fools).

Here we see again you're sweeping hatred for all religious people. Learn to love your neighbors and release your hatred.

Zephyr

 

[Infohawk]

Nothing I said shows I have hatred for religious people. I think they should be marginilized. But again, you don't believe in reason. So we cannot communicate.

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Nothing I said shows I have hatred for religious people. I think they should be marginilized. But again, you don't believe in reason. So we cannot communicate.

I believe in a reason. I believe that the reason Bush is our president is because he was annointed and appointed to lead us by God. And God has picked Bush to lead us again. So you may as well stay home come November, no pansy New England Democrat can beat a Commander in Chief who goes to war at at God's command.

Zephyr

 

[AEnigmaWI]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Nothing I said shows I have hatred for religious people. I think they should be marginilized. But again, you don't believe in reason. So we cannot communicate.

I believe in a reason. I believe that the reason Bush is our president is because he was annointed and appointed to lead us by God. And God has picked Bush to lead us again. So you may as well stay home come November, no pansy New England Democrat can beat a Commander in Chief who goes to war at at God's command.



Zephyr

Are you serious Zephyr???? ??? :Q

InfoHawk - I'm with ya on that definition.

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Nothing I said shows I have hatred for religious people. I think they should be marginilized. But again, you don't believe in reason. So we cannot communicate.

I believe in a reason. I believe that the reason Bush is our president is because he was annointed and appointed to lead us by God. And God has picked Bush to lead us again. So you may as well stay home come November, no pansy New England Democrat can beat a Commander in Chief who goes to war at at God's command.



Zephyr

Pat? Pat, is that you?

 

[Infohawk]

AEnigmaWI, I'm glad you're with me on the definition. But it's not mine! It's Merriam-Webster's!!! www.m-w.com

 

[tallest1]

Religion card aside, by definition, Bush has faith that theres WMD's in Iraq. Sad but true

 

[InfectedMushroom]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Nothing I said shows I have hatred for religious people. I think they should be marginilized. But again, you don't believe in reason. So we cannot communicate.

I believe in a reason. I believe that the reason Bush is our president is because he was annointed and appointed to lead us by God. And God has picked Bush to lead us again. So you may as well stay home come November, no pansy New England Democrat can beat a Commander in Chief who goes to war at at God's command.



Zephyr

And that people are the exact words that Al Qaeda followers use when they describe Bin Laden.

Once again: the moment you realize why you don't believe in the existence of all other gods, you will realize why some of us don't believe in any.

 

[Ozoned]

You have posted a definition of a word ...
and posted it in p&n.

Please justify this
without faith.

 

[Infohawk]

I have posted this word because I believe if people understand reason (which is not faith), the world will be a better place, and I will be happier. This definition shows people that faith does not equal reason. That is a first step to throwing off the shackles of faith.

 

[DealMonkey]

Religious faith is the basis for so much arguing and petty hatred here at P&N. Abortion threads, evolution vs intelligent design threads, threads about Israel. On and on. It just goes nowhere, you're right Infohawk. The faithful don't think they're right, they know they're right. And even Moonbeam will tell you, we really don't know anything.

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
I have posted this word because I believe if people understand reason (which is not faith), the world will be a better place, and I will be happier. This definition shows people that faith does not equal reason. That is a first step to throwing off the shackles of faith.

This post reeks of faith, so I ask again;


You have posted a definition of a word ...
and posted it in p&n.

Please justify this
without faith.

 

[Infohawk]

Please explain how my statement "reeks of faith."

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Please explain how my statement "reeks of faith."

"I have posted this word because I believe"

so I ask again;


You have posted a definition of a word ...
and posted it in p&n.

Please justify this
without faith.

 

[Infohawk]

Ah. You think believe is the same as faith. Here is the difference. You can believe in something for which there is reason to believe. So reason can be a part of belief. On the other hand, faith is not compatible with faith. I did not say I have "faith" that. I said I believe. Understand now?

 

[Ozoned]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
Ah. You think believe is the same as faith. Here is the difference. You can believe in something for which there is reason to believe. So reason can be a part of belief. On the other hand, faith is not compatible with faith. I did not say I have "faith" that. I said I believe. Understand now?

This post is nothing but faith (Faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof")

So I ask again;


You have posted a definition of a word ...
and posted it in p&n.

Please justify this
without faith.

 

[TheBDB]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
You have posted a definition of a word ...

and posted it in p&n.



Please justify this

without faith.

Why should he have to justify his OP to you?


You have posted a stupid reply in a thread.....
and posted it in p&n

Please justify this
without faith

 

[Vicken]

Without faith, there is no hope.

Men often use their own wicked behavior as a basis for rejecting religion.

 

[DealMonkey]

Originally posted by: Ozoned
This post is nothing but faith (Faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof")

So I ask again;
You have posted a definition of a word ...
and posted it in p&n.
Please justify this
without faith.

Do you always babble incoherently like this?

EDIT: Wait! Maybe before we debate whether this thread is nothing but faith, we should debate whether we even exist! First things first, right Ozoned?

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: Zephyr106

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Nothing I said shows I have hatred for religious people. I think they should be marginilized. But again, you don't believe in reason. So we cannot communicate.

I believe in a reason. I believe that the reason Bush is our president is because he was annointed and appointed to lead us by God. And God has picked Bush to lead us again. So you may as well stay home come November, no pansy New England Democrat can beat a Commander in Chief who goes to war at at God's command.



Zephyr

This man DOES NOT speak for all Christians. This man DOES NOT speak for most Christians. This man DOES NOT speak for many Christians. This man DOES NOT even speak for a sizeable minority of Christians.

Any man alive today who claims to know God's plan is a fool.

Infohawk, why should religious people be marginalised? Because we believe in things without proof? Pure science (ever read any Quantum Physics?) states that there is no proof for anything, only probabilities. Philosophers have been debating secular topics since the dawn of time and have not found any system that has proof. Even if you say that you believe nothing aside from your own existance you are believing in something that has no proof.

You have no proof that religious people are irrational about things other than religion. If your argument is that anyone who is irrational about one thing must be irrational about all things, then the conclusion must be that everyone is irrational, whether a person is religious or not. If your claim is that since religious people are irrational about something so big, they must be irrational about other things, I'm afraid you'll have to both define what constitutes "something so big" and provide support for your reasoning.

Now, there have been many who argue that faith is rational, but I don't fall in with them. I agree with Søren Kierkegaard that religion is not a rational choice. But that does not preclude being logical and rational in other matters. Unless, of course, you can provide proof for your faith that religiosity leads to irrationality in other matters.

ZV

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

The problem is not with people who have faith, but with those who have no doubt.

They are not equivalent.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Ozoned

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Ah. You think believe is the same as faith. Here is the difference. You can believe in something for which there is reason to believe. So reason can be a part of belief. On the other hand, faith is not compatible with faith. I did not say I have "faith" that. I said I believe. Understand now?

This post is nothing but faith (Faith: firm belief in something for which there is no proof")



So I ask again;





You have posted a definition of a word ...

and posted it in p&n.



Please justify this

without faith.

You seem to be having serious problems understanding the difference between faith and knowledge. My attempt to explain it to you has failed. I suggest you read both full definitions in a dictionary.

You asked me how I posted without faith. I gave you a reason that is based on knowledge and belief, not faith. Please tell me which part of this you have a problem with.

 

[Ozoned]

Infohawk, you offer a topic for debate.

In your topic you offer a problem and a solution.
You offer no proof of your belief, and thus there is
no reason to believe it.

In your own reasoning, that makes you a person of faith,
unable to respond to reason, and thus unable to explain
anything to those of us who believe in reason, and unfortunately
I can not show you how unreasonable you are being.


My solution is not to marginallize you but ask that you accept
the flaw in your faith, and the flaw in others with different faith.


:gift:

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
The problem is not with people who have faith, but with those who have no doubt.

They are not equivalent.

Well said.

ZV