Merom The Crazy Over Clocker even more then Conroe

[Cooler]

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99342
Lower base FSB higher Multiplier = Higher OC
Post Includes 3.3Ghz Merom Benchmarks and new super PI record of 14 seconds.
Note this oc was done on Air!

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: Cooler
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99342
Lower base FSB higher Multiplier = Higher OC
Post Includes 3.3Ghz Merom Benchmarks and new super PI record of 14 seconds.
Note this oc was done on Air!

I have high hopes that the Asus N4L-VM will support Merom as well, and then I can trade the core duo for a merom when they become available.

 

[Marmion]

And its scary to think that they're getting 3Ghz plus on 2.13Ghz Conroes on stock voltages. I reckon that would be the one for me (as long as someone proves to me that 2mb vs 4mb cache does nothing). Wait and see I guess.
Also living in NZ I don't think they will be available untill there are heaps of reviews from the states etc.
It would be interesting to see how much you could under-volt a merom in a laptop as well (not that I expect XS to do that )

 

[Amaroque]

My next upgrade will most likely be a Conroe (only my top system, as I run 5 computers 24/7). The cache (IMO) will make a good difference, as there is no IMC.

 

[dexvx]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Cooler
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99342
Lower base FSB higher Multiplier = Higher OC
Post Includes 3.3Ghz Merom Benchmarks and new super PI record of 14 seconds.
Note this oc was done on Air!

I have high hopes that the Asus N4L-VM will support Merom as well, and then I can trade the core duo for a merom when they become available.

The Aopen board is a better choice. It is guaranteed to support Merom with a BIOS update. It can overclock like a fiend (the Asus N4L-VM cannot), it has XFire/SLI support amoung other things.

 

[stevty2889]

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Cooler
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99342
Lower base FSB higher Multiplier = Higher OC
Post Includes 3.3Ghz Merom Benchmarks and new super PI record of 14 seconds.
Note this oc was done on Air!

I have high hopes that the Asus N4L-VM will support Merom as well, and then I can trade the core duo for a merom when they become available.

The Aopen board is a better choice. It is guaranteed to support Merom with a BIOS update. It can overclock like a fiend (the Asus N4L-VM cannot), it has XFire/SLI support amoung other things.

And it costs $300, no thanks.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: dexvx

Originally posted by: stevty2889

Originally posted by: Cooler
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=99342
Lower base FSB higher Multiplier = Higher OC
Post Includes 3.3Ghz Merom Benchmarks and new super PI record of 14 seconds.
Note this oc was done on Air!

I have high hopes that the Asus N4L-VM will support Merom as well, and then I can trade the core duo for a merom when they become available.

The Aopen board is a better choice. It is guaranteed to support Merom with a BIOS update. It can overclock like a fiend (the Asus N4L-VM cannot), it has XFire/SLI support amoung other things.

And it costs $300, no thanks.

I myself would spend $150 less on CPU by getting a lower clocked one and invest it into a mobo as you cant add features to a mobo but you can oc a cpu into a higher grade.

 

[shabby]

Other then the super pi score, the 3dmark06 score is pretty much neck and neck with an amd chip at the same mhz.
Seems like all the benchmarks of the conroe chip are of super pi, which is about as useful as using 3dmark as a gaming benchmark.

 

[berat556]

Originally posted by: shabby
Other then the super pi score, the 3dmark06 score is pretty much neck and neck with an amd chip at the same mhz.
Seems like all the benchmarks of the conroe chip are of super pi, which is about as useful as using 3dmark as a gaming benchmark.

That may be true, but the price point is so much lower, 25-50% lower. FX60-62 @$1000, when comparable chip at $500. This is also a mobile processor, conroe is probably 20% faster than this.

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: berat556

Originally posted by: shabby
Other then the super pi score, the 3dmark06 score is pretty much neck and neck with an amd chip at the same mhz.
Seems like all the benchmarks of the conroe chip are of super pi, which is about as useful as using 3dmark as a gaming benchmark.

That may be true, but the price point is so much lower, 25-50% lower. FX60-62 @$1000, when comparable chip at $500. This is also a mobile processor, conroe is probably 20% faster than this.

So let's compare an OC'd chip to one running at stock? The Opteron 165 costs around $300, it'll hit FX-60/62 speeds on air too.

 

[secretanchitman]

wow merom looks just as amazing as conroe.

still, i would like to get conroe because of the cache and *higher* clockspeeds.

E6600, you're MINE!

 

[Absolute0]

Merom is NOT faster than Conroe architecturally, they are the same architecture. Conroe gets a SLIGHT advantage from having a higher bus, that's it.

But, if you are paying attention in 3dmark, Conroe and Merom are both significantly faster than AMD 64 clock for clock. I tried putting my 170 @ 3.15 Ghz up against a Conroe in 3dmark05... even at 2.66 Ghz (which is stock speeds for the 2.66 Ghz conroe btw), it killed my 3150 Mhz 170. The power of Conroe is crazy.

 

[FelixDeCat]

I dont know why, but I keep seeing "MEMRON" not meron. But I guess if your upgrading from a 512k northwood to a 4MB cpu then it is a MEMRON!

 

[DrMrLordX]

Considering the fact that there may be feature-rich boards for good Conroe overclocking in the $100-$150 range, it may be difficult to justify overclocking Merom when it may not have many good desktop boards available. $300 for the board is just too much.

 

[essasin]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Considering the fact that there may be feature-rich boards for good Conroe overclocking in the $100-$150 range, it may be difficult to justify overclocking Merom when it may not have many good desktop boards available. $300 for the board is just too much.

Espeically when a good number of people are going to update within a year or two.

 

[Cooler]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX
Considering the fact that there may be feature-rich boards for good Conroe overclocking in the $100-$150 range, it may be difficult to justify overclocking Merom when it may not have many good desktop boards available. $300 for the board is just too much.

The point why you would Merom has a Lower base FSB and a higher Multiplier. Hence it will not hit a fsb wall so soon.

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Cooler

The point why you would Merom has a Lower base FSB and a higher Multiplier. Hence it will not hit a fsb wall so soon.

We haven't even established that Conroe will be hitting FSB walls at all.

 

[Amaroque]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Cooler

The point why you would Merom has a Lower base FSB and a higher Multiplier. Hence it will not hit a fsb wall so soon.

We haven't even established that Conroe will be hitting FSB walls at all.

A FSB wall would be a chipset wall, this does NOT have anything to do with the CPU.

Edit: SP

 

[DrMrLordX]

Originally posted by: Amaroque

A FSB wall would be a chipset wall, this does NOT have anything to do with the CPU.

Edit: SP

Um, what? Any given CPU that's multiplier locked has an effective FSB wall set by it's maximum frequency. If you have a motherboard that can hit 300 mhz FSB/HTT and a CPU with a 10x multi that can't go past 2.7 ghz, the CPU's effective FSB/HTT limit is 270.

Either the motherboard or the CPU can limit your maximum FSB/HTT in this fashion, unless you're dealing with one of AMD's CnQ chips with a multiplier that you can lower.

 

[hardwareking]

merom would be the favourite for laptops and htpcs.
And some might even buy ti over conroe cause of the lower power consumption.
The future is good.

 

[firewolfsm]

Originally posted by: DrMrLordX

Originally posted by: Amaroque

A FSB wall would be a chipset wall, this does NOT have anything to do with the CPU.

Edit: SP

Um, what? Any given CPU that's multiplier locked has an effective FSB wall set by it's maximum frequency. If you have a motherboard that can hit 300 mhz FSB/HTT and a CPU with a 10x multi that can't go past 2.7 ghz, the CPU's effective FSB/HTT limit is 270.

Either the motherboard or the CPU can limit your maximum FSB/HTT in this fashion, unless you're dealing with one of AMD's CnQ chips with a multiplier that you can lower.

Yes, but these chips OC so well that the chipset will probably be setting all the walls. On stock voltage, one was taken from 2.13GHz to 3.0GHz on air cooling.