Merkel rebukes Israeli PM Netanyahu for failing to advance peace

[CanOWorms]

Germans have a guilt because they let Hitler get the power, but they are not alone.
Fascism was a tendency in whole europe. Racism and anti-semitism was common everywhere.
The French are guilty too. After the first world war they imposed humiliating conditions on germany.

The French are guilty during WW2, too. It took 5 decades, until 1995, for Chirac to become the first French President to acknowledge their cooperation in the Holocaust. The French have a history of denying their atrocities.

 

[CanOWorms]

The germans are a pussified shell of their former selves.

Good. The world cannot survive another German-initiated genocide.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Hitler was over in 1945, blaming Germans for Hitler is every bit as valid as blaming Jews for killing Christ.

Again you have nothing to say......

 

[JEDIYoda]

I expect more and more world leaders are going to be saying the same think Merkel said to Netanyuhu. So Netanyuhu might as well get over it, because he is going to hear more and more of it.

And those words will be matched with actions,

-- total BS and you know it!! You keep dreaming that somebody will do something to allow your Palestinian parents to keep their beachfront condo in the Gaza!!


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I expect many more nations will be acting to stop the Israeli blockade of Gaza,

There is no proof of that ever happening again more dreaming on your part!!

will actively throw their weight behind the formation of a Palestinian State, and failing those objectives, working against Israel in various ways.

The Israeli myth of being a stabilizing force in the mid-east is rapidly unraveling.

Good mushrooms huh??

 

[Zebo]

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Germany may be pussified shell of their former self, but their economy is doing quite well. Nor has Germany done it on the backs of stealing land from others post WW2 like Israel.

One would have thought that European Jews would have been so disgusted at the way Nazi treated them during WW2, and instead, they instantly became the New Nazis to the Palestinians, from 1948 to the present day. Using Hitler style concentration camps, forced relocation, land thefts, but somehow stopping just short of using gas ovens to implement a final solution. And just like the old line Nazis who said anyone with more than 25% Jewish blood is forever tainted, Israel has adopted the same Nazi right to treat Palestinian guilt as a hereditary problem, and never grant them even third class citizenship in the land of their own birth.

Maybe what this world needs is more peaceful pussified nations and fewer Nazi nations like Israel.

So called Palestinians are treated 100x better than Jews in Arab lands if they still even exist.

Actually Jews treat them too good. By all rights when someone is engaging in constant warfare against you you take them out and take their land. That how Alsace Loraine was incorporated into France once and for all after German terrorists engaged in non stop aggression from there angst France. History is full of similar examples. Jews should not be exempt unless you're anti Semitic. jews don't even have death penalty for all the terrorists they hold in their prisons. Soft very soft. May get them killed one day.

 

[Lemon law]

Other than pointing out to CanOWorms, that the idea of fascism far predates Hitler and remains alive and well in our present day world, I have little else to comment about in this latest post.

Its the damn thing wrong with human stinking thinking, no amount of guns and bullets can kill a stinking idea.

At least with mythical vampires, some combination of properly applied wooden stakes and silver bullets can finally kill the monster dead dead dead, and beyond any hope of redemption.

Fascism lurks in all our minds, just awaiting its time of rebirth.

 

[Infohawk]

bla bla bla

It sounds like you have a double-standard for Israel that you don't hold any other country to...

 

[Lemon law]

So called Palestinians are treated 100x better than Jews in Arab lands if they still even exist.

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Four things to say about that. (a) Even in the Ossama Bin Laden play book, Muslims, Christians, and Jews are still respected members of the book. (b) Pre 1948, all Arab nations had a long standing small Jewish minority, its was only after Israel started stealing from its own Palestinians who owned over 50% of Israeli land in 1948, that most Arabs nations responded in kind, and expelled their Jewish populations. (c) The somewhat lone Arab exception was in Iran, where Iran still has an established and stable Jewish minority. And as many Iranian Jews choose to move to Israel, every bit as many Iranian Jews that choose to emigrate to Israel subsequently choose to return back to Iran. (d) Far from being treated better, Palestinians in Israel are treated like shit, There is just something incompatible in the human psyche with being made fourth class citizens in the land of their own birth.

Earth to Zebo, if you were intellectually capable of even walking a half an inch in Palestinian shoes, you would be dope slapping yourself for making such an absurd statement.

 

[Zebo]

If Palestinians have a right to return to Israel does Jews have right to return to Medina? I mean the ancestors of the ones Mohamed didnt slaughter? Currently Jews are not even allowed in Arabia.
a) as fourth class citizens read The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam book by historian Bat Ye'or.
b)as fourth class citizens read The Dhimmi: Jews and Christians Under Islam book by historian Bat Ye'or.
c)Iranians are not arabs.
d)They deserve it if they can't live peacefully.

Earth to LL. You don't know history. Jews do. And say never again.

 

[Lemon law]

If Palestinians have a right to return to Israel does Jews have right to return to Medina? I men the ancestors of the ones Mohamed didnt slaughter? Currently Jews are not even allowed in Arabia.

Iranians are not arabs.

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Maybe point granted Zebo, Iranians are not Arabs, but in the larger history of the mid-east, Jews have been a non factor in the mid-east for 1800 years. After all it was the Romans in what is called the second diaspora circa 200 AD who told Israeli Jews to get the hell out and don't ever come back. Point granted, the Romans fell of their own weight some 200 or 300 hundred years later.

Meanwhile, post 200 AD, the so called holy land of Israel has become sacred to all three of the world's Abraham derived religions in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. And presently between those three somewhat distinct but similar religions, combined, those three religions more than account for the majority of the world's population. The #1 ranking is various Christians sects now numbering over 2 billion plus, second place is Islam with somewhere between 1.2 and 1.5 billion people, but the shocking disparity is in Judaism, which has a puny present world wide 16 million adherents at present. And to some extent, that present 16 million Jews may be the high point of world Jewish population at any point in world history.

That is and remains the perpetual Jewish dilemma, because while Christianity and Islam are evangelistic religions seeking ever more converts, Judaism is passed on only through Jewish maternal birth. Which means, in future, since Palestinian and Arab birth rates greatly exceed Jewish birth rates in Israel itself, Judaism must inevitably become an ever more mid-east puny force in the future.

Then we can examine the bulk of the last 1800 year Israeli history, as the so called holy land of Israeli has changed hands, countless times, between basically Muslims, Christians, and recently Western powers like England who gave up the thankless Palestinian mandate in 1948. By in large, during those 1800 Jewless years, the current conquering power refused to share and pigged the holy land of Israel instead. A hundred or 200 years later, Israel changed hands and another new pig replaced the old pig, as Muslims replaced Christians only to see Muslims pigs take over in turn. Now some 1800 years later the Jews are the new Israeli pigs.

Maybe we should all get two clues. (a) We all live in a very small contemporary point in time, some may say yah hoorah the Jews are firmly in control of pigging Israel, but given the larger same mid-east history, its hard to imagine Israeli domination will last for even 50 more years. (b) Because Israel is a holy flash point contention for three major religions, at some point in time we must realize that Israel must be fairly shared between our great religions or Israel is going to become a hell hole where everyone loses.

 

[Infohawk]

Lemon law can't even defend his double-standard. The Germans aren't in any way responsible for the Holocaust but Israel's current population is on the hook for every single offence against Palestinians.

 

[Zebo]

Only one prothetises. I Actually like Muslims and Jews that they don't bother me at my door like those Christan Creeps. Anyway, There is no fixing this while not knocking on your door a Muslim does require sharia not freedom which is incompatible with freedom jews have grown accustomed to after hiding and being treated like shit for 2000 years. They are staying in a Jewish state no matter birth rate (although Hasidics do pretty well on their own). Muslims want them gone. This is called a irreconcilable difference and will only be solved via Armageddon most likely.

 

[EagleKeeper]

The Palestinian state is a myth. The Palestinians are unable to propose one; unwilling to talk about one other than through their PR groups.

In the past years there have been two excellent opportunities to close the deal.
The first was when Israel froze settlement activity at the request of the Palestinians to bring them to the table. - The Palestinians never showed up. They tried to bluff and their bluff was called. Later is was shown that they were using funny money at the table.

The second was when Israel's government was told by a minority partner that they had to talk to the Palestinians or the government would be dissolved. This was a perfect chance for the Palestinians to leverage the talks against the current government. They again failed to show.

Instead they started a crying PR campaign on how bad the Israelis were for not willing to give in to Palestinian demands.

When you do not have a common face; how can the world give you any respect.
If the world was serious, they would have been running those blockades (as you have been predicting), embargoing Israel (as you have been predicting), escorting freighters with military vessels, sending in troops to protect the Palestinian land that is being claimed to be stolen, stopping contrstuction of settlements on Israeli land in Jeruselm, etc.

The world does not care about the Palestinians because their sponsors do not; the Palestinians can not talk with a straight face, nor have they got their ducks in order.
They had 20 years where they could have been a state without anything to do with Israel. They refused because they and the Arabs wanted all of Palestine. Greed has hindered them and still does.

 

[Lemon law]

I find the Common Courtesy message that the Palestinians will never be ready for their own State rather ridiculous and simply self serving Israeli propaganda.

But still, there is simply something in the historical trends that religions mix like oil and water. And for most of world history, all states have had their own single State religion.

To some extent, the USA was and is living proof that people with differing religions can live in peace with each other. To some extent, separation of State and Church was more compelling to our founding fathers, because at the time of the US's founding, Europe was just emerging from a bloody history as various Christian sects were cheerfully murdering each other in unprecedented numbers.

The other thing to somewhat say, when there are more than one religion in a single State, its usually not the religions itself that are to blame for tensions, the fault can usually be tied to the State, when the lions share of economic advantage becomes State policy favoring one religion and not another. .And then religious issues become dangerously explosive.

 

[Schadenfroh]

The germans are a pussified shell of their former selves.

Not quite, just switched methods. America and Britain kept them from trying to take over Europe militarily, so they switched to diplomacy and economic domination. Now, Germany is the premier nation in the European Union (soon to be greater Germany) and the largest economic power on the continent. Economic and diplomatic domination is the preferred method of imperialism in the age of nuclear weapons.

But, the diplomatic influence comes at a price. Merkel and the CDU are likely going to be hit hard for bailing out states that have ran their economies into the ground (like Greece). Should have just kicked them out until they were worthy of rejoining. Now they get to hear them whine about what happened to them 60+ years ago while spending their money and burning down their own neighborhoods because they cannot retire early anymore.

Do not mistake alternative methods to acquire power as a sign of weakness.

 

[EagleKeeper]

I find the Common Courtesy message that the Palestinians will never be ready for their own State rather ridiculous and simply self serving Israeli propaganda.


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Putting words in my mouth.

I stated that the Palestinians are not ready for their own state.They do not have the political desire to control their destiny.
You can not have a country start up when there is no leadership.

The political leadership is torn in at least 2 places; plus Hamas claims that they can not control groups that are in the territory that Hamas controls.

Hamas is admitting that they can not be a government, just a group of social/militant clubs.

And they do not want peace with Israel so a country is going to be born into a state of war. That will be worse for the Palestinians; Israel will not be held responsible for the welfare of the Gaza residents but is free to enforce any restrictions w/ respect to supplies transit via Israel.

Egypt is not supporting the Palestinians by opening up their borders. They relaxed some restrictions, but now all. Ask yourself WHY?


Fatah has admitted that they can not setup peace; they do not have the political leverage/authority.

Once the Palestinians can present a solitary face toward peace; they there is a chance. Until they can do so, it is themselves that are their worst enemy; not Israel.

Every 10-15 years, everyone gets their PR ducks in line, their hopes up and then find out that there is not the political ability of the Palestinians to deliver.