Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: Nietzscheusw
Unlike others here, I am not discovering Mel's dad just now.
The point is: your post seemed to imply that Mel 'admires' his dad so much and 'follows' his beleifs so much that he would say the same things his dad was quoted above with. I am debating that by asking how you can make such an assumption, if that indeed is what you were trying to imply. . .
The point is Mel's dad is mentally ill and spreads his crazy hatred towards jews, and Mel is totally uncritical towards him, and releases a movie that his daddy can only appreciate. If his dad were not a public figure I would not care. It would be a private matter. It is not.
<< In an interview with the radio program Speak Your Piece!, airing Monday on the small New York-based Talkline Communications Network, Hutton Gibson stated he thinks the Holocaust was mostly "fiction." According to The Associated Press, which published excerpts of the transcript released by the network, Hutton Gibson told host Steve Feuerstein, "It's all--maybe not all fiction--but most of it is," when asked about the Holocaust. "They claimed that there were 6.2 million (Jews) in Poland before the war and after the war there were 200,000, therefore he (Hitler) must have killed 6 million of them. They simply got up and left. They were all over the Bronx and Brooklyn and Sydney and Los Angeles," he added. Hutton Gibson also suggested Jews want to take over the world, adding, "It's all about control. They're after one world religion and one world government." When asked in media interviews whether he shares his father's views, Mel Gibson, who has said repeatedly in the media that he is not anti-Semitic, says only that he loves his father and will not speak against him. >> [Hollywood.com]
Not against him, no problem; he is his father. But he could at least speak very precisely about all the things his father says about the jews.
<< Posted Feb. 18, 2004
Commentary: Mel Gibson comes across soft on the Holocaust
By Michael Smerconish
Is Mel Gibson a Holocaust denier? It?s a fair question, given an excerpt from an interview with him in an upcoming issue of Reader?s Digest.
(I?m sure that some of you are wondering, ?Exactly what kind of a name is Smerconish, anyway?? Such are the depths of passion surrounding the release of ?The Passion of the Christ.? Here?s a clue: my oldest son will receive First Holy Communion on Mother?s Day. )
Before I tell you what Gibson said, let me give you some background.
Last year in March, New York Times Magazine did a story about Mel Gibson?s role as benefactor of a California Catholic church that is non-affiliated with the Roman Catholic archdiocese. This church practices traditionalism, a fractionalized movement that seeks to take the faith back 300 years before the ?modern? reforms of the Second Vatican Council.
Mel Gibson?s 84-year-old father, Hutton Gibson, practices Catholic traditionalism, and he was portrayed in the Times Magazine story as a bit of a whack job (?a seminary dropout and rabble-rousing theologist?). Hutton Gibson denies al Qaida?s role in 9/11 and dismisses historical accounts that six million Jews were exterminated in the Holocaust.
Many Catholics and some non-Catholic conservatives regard the Times Magazine profile as nothing more than a hit piece on an old man. And it?s possible that Hutton Gibson was misquoted and/or misunderstood. Either way, while it is not fair to hold Mel Gibson accountable for his father, the comments of Hutton Gibson are fair grounds for the questioning of Mel Gibson on the eve of the release of his movie. Which is what Peggy Noonan, the former Ronald Reagan speechwriter, has done in the March issue of Reader?s Digest.
?You?re going to have to go on the record. The Holocaust happened, right?? Noonan asked Mel Gibson.
Mel Gibson responded: ?I have friends and parents of friends who have numbers on their arms. The guy who taught me Spanish was a Holocaust survivor. He worked in a concentration camp in France. Yes, of course. Atrocities happened. War is horrible. The Second World War killed tens of millions of people. Some of them were Jews in concentration camps. Many people lost their lives. In the Ukraine, several million starved to death between 1932 and 1933. During the last century, 20 million people died in the Soviet Union.?
Wait a minute. At first blush that may sound OK. But go back and read it again. Upon closer inspection, it?s unacceptable if that is as far as it goes. It just might be a more cleverly disguised version of what his dad told the Times Magazine.
Mel Gibson acknowledges the existence of the concentration camps and that atrocities occurred. But he then stops short of accepting that Hitler murdered six million Jews. And he unfairly equates famine with genocide. Overall, he chooses to answer a very specific question about the attempts by the Nazis to exterminate an entire race with a reflection on the suffering of war generally.
He should have said this:
?Of course the Holocaust occurred. And in the world?s history, it stands alone as a deliberate effort to eliminate an entire race of people. Unfortunately, it succeeded in eliminating one-third of all people of Jewish descent from the face of the earth. And its occurrence is not the subject of any legitimate debate.?
I?m anxious to see the movie and have, until recently, been sympathetic to Mel Gibson in the context of concerns raised by people who largely have not seen the film and fear it is nothing more than a modern Passion play. Now, I am not so sure sympathy was warranted.
I will see it -- and in the back of my mind I will be wondering, like father like son? >>
http://www.wisinfo.com/thereporter/news/archive/opinion_14675207.shtml
And now the best quotes:
?My dad taught me my faith and I believe what he taught me. The man never lied to me in his life,? he said, when asked about Hutton?s controversial comments.
In an interview with The New York Times, Hutton Gibson told a reporter he doubted the scale of the Holocaust.
?Go and ask an undertaker or the guy who operates the crematorium what it takes to get rid of a dead body,? he said. ?It takes one litre of petrol and 20 minutes. Now, six million??
http://www.breakingnews.ie/2004/02/03/story132525.html
"Do you know what it takes to get rid of a dead body? To cremate it?" he said. "It takes a litre of petrol and 20 minutes. Now, six million of them? They (the Germans) did not have the gas to do it. That's why they lost the war."
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/02/19/1077072756433.html
If Hutton said this to Mel, Hutton did not lie according to Mel.
By the way: Hutton is very bad at math. 1 litre * 6 million jews = 6 million litres of petrol = 6000 cubic meters of petrol = 100 trucks of petrol.
Let us spread these 100 trucks over say 5 years. That is 20 trucks per year.
Enough said.
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