Mel Gibson Busted for DUI

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Wonderful. You finally found three biased pages with an axe to grind about MADD, but you still haven't shown anything that makes your point. Try finding support from the U.S Department of Health of the NTSB, or ANY state Highway Patrol/State Trooper site or ANY state's Department of Motor Vehichles, or any alcohol abuse treatment facility.

If you're trying to justify your own drinking problems, you're on the wrong planet. Reality just doesn't support you. If you're out driving, tonight, I hope the only thing you hit is some innocent phone pole or fire hydrant.

They're just as biased... they're making money! They love laws!

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

They're just as biased... they're making money! They love laws!

This is probably very much like the gun control issue - the statistics tend to come from people favoring one side or the other of the debate. That being said, every scientifically credible study I have ever seen indicates that people with a .08 BAC suffer significant impairment in their reflexes, response times, and judgment compared to sober people, and there is ample epidemiological evidence indicating that drivers with a .08 are at least ten times likelier than sober drivers to get into fatal accidents.

What I find odd is the whole notion of a pro-drunk driving lobby. I guess there's room for all kinds of lobbyists, though . . .

 

[BlancoNino]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

They're just as biased... they're making money! They love laws!

This is probably very much like the gun control issue - the statistics tend to come from people favoring one side or the other of the debate. That being said, every scientifically credible study I have ever seen indicates that people with a .08 BAC suffer significant impairment in their reflexes, response times, and judgment compared to sober people, and there is ample epidemiological evidence indicating that drivers with a .08 are at least ten times likelier than sober drivers to get into fatal accidents.

What I find odd is the whole notion of a pro-drunk driving lobby. I guess there's room for all kinds of lobbyists, though . . .

LMAO @ evidence that .08 = 10x more likely to get into a fatal accident. Any half-way intelligent person would question that.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino

LMAO @ evidence that .08 = 10x more likely to get into a fatal accident. Any half-way intelligent person would question that.

The NHTSA stats tell us that a person with a .08 - .10% BAC is 3 times likelier to get into an accident, and 11 times likelier to get into a fatal single-car accident. Men under 25 with a .08 are 52 times likelier to get into a fatal single-car accident.

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
They're just as biased... they're making money! They love laws!

Put down the bottle and the drugs. You're just proving how incapacitated you are. :laugh:

 

[Pens1566]

Originally posted by: Harvey

Originally posted by: BlancoNino
They're just as biased... they're making money! They love laws!

Put down the bottle and the drugs. You're just proving how incapacitated you are. :laugh:

What's funny is that he is driving and posting while drinking!

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: Pens1566
What's funny is that he is driving and posting while drinking!

I'm more concerned about whoever he's tailgating. :shocked:

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Perez Hilton has several photos of a wasted-looking Mel partying at Moonshadows Restaurant in Malibu a few hours before his arrest. Present are a variety of young women; absent is his wife, the mother of his seven children.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DonVito
Perez Hilton has several photos of a wasted-looking Mel partying at Moonshadows Restaurant in Malibu a few hours before his arrest. Present are a variety of young women; absent is his wife, the mother of his seven children.

I don't see him having sex with those women, just taking innocent pictures. Or is taking pictures at a party with other women a sin now?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

I don't see him having sex with those women, just taking innocent pictures. Or is taking pictures at a party with other women a sin now?

I guess you'd have to ask Mel - he's the one who spent a gazillion dollars building his own "traditionalist" Catholic church, so I imagine he knows more about sin than me, since I am an agnostic on good days and an athiest on bad ones. What I have to wonder is why you feel compelled to defend him at every turn. I take it you're no longer denying that he made anti-Semitic comments and drove drunk?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

I don't see him having sex with those women, just taking innocent pictures. Or is taking pictures at a party with other women a sin now?

I guess you'd have to ask Mel - he's the one who spent a gazillion dollars building his own "traditionalist" Catholic church, so I imagine he knows more about sin than me, since I am an agnostic on good days and an athiest on bad ones. What I have to wonder is why you feel compelled to defend him at every turn. I take it you're no longer denying that he made anti-Semitic comments and drove drunk?

I never denied that he didn't make them, I said that even if he did and we were shown proof of it, its not as big of a deal as the media has made it since he was intoxicated --these pictures just reinforce that. Anyway why are you so intent on villifying Mel Gibson?

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

I never denied that he didn't make them, I said that even if he did and we were shown proof of it, its not as big of a deal as the media has made it since he was intoxicated --these pictures just reinforce that.

Do you make racist remarks when you're drunk? Do you make them when you're sober?

It seems to me that this case just reinforces the truism, "in vino, veritas." I've been entirely too drunk entirely too many times, and while I've said (honest) things I shouldn't have, I sure as hell haven't started ranting about the Jews or any other ethnicity. Racism doesn't come in a bottle.

As I said in your other thread, I fail to see any legitimate reason for your slavering defense of Mel Gibson's racist remarks.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

I never denied that he didn't make them, I said that even if he did and we were shown proof of it, its not as big of a deal as the media has made it since he was intoxicated --these pictures just reinforce that.

Do you make racist remarks when you're drunk? Do you make them when you're sober?

It seems to me that this case just reinforces the truism, "in vino, veritas." I've been entirely too drunk entirely too many times, and while I've said (honest) things I shouldn't have, I sure as hell haven't started ranting about the Jews or any other ethnicity. Racism doesn't come in a bottle.

As I said in your other thread, I fail to see any legitimate reason for your slavering defense of Mel Gibson's racist remarks.

Since when are the ramblings of a drunk alcoholic such a crime that they have to be blown out of proportion by people like you? That's essentially what you're doing and I have to wonder why you're so focused on making a huge deal out of his remarks. If he said them while sober it would be an entirely different thing and in fact he has vehemently apologized for his comments --that's more than sufficient to exonerate him.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Since when are the ramblings of a drunk alcoholic such a crime that they have to be blown out of proportion by people like you? That's essentially what you're doing and I have to wonder why you're so focused on making a huge deal out of his remarks. If he said them while sober it would be an entirely different thing and in fact he has vehemently apologized for his comments --that's more than sufficient to exonerate him.

As I said in another thread, I honestly respect and appreciate his apology. That being said, I think it's important to flush out racists and expose them for what they are. I think he is an anti-Semite, plain and simple, and The Passion of the Christ was anti-Semitic propaganda. I think he's worked a real harm to humanity in that respect. Until and unless he can show that he's worked through this, I think he deserves to be ostracized - he is worthy of nobody's respect.

I note you never answered my questions. Have you made racist remarks when drunk? When sober?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Since when are the ramblings of a drunk alcoholic such a crime that they have to be blown out of proportion by people like you? That's essentially what you're doing and I have to wonder why you're so focused on making a huge deal out of his remarks. If he said them while sober it would be an entirely different thing and in fact he has vehemently apologized for his comments --that's more than sufficient to exonerate him.

As I said in another thread, I honestly respect and appreciate his apology. That being said, I think it's important to flush out racists and expose them for what they are. I think he is an anti-Semite, plain and simple, and The Passion of the Christ was anti-Semitic propaganda. I think he's worked a real harm to humanity in that respect. Until and unless he can show that he's worked through this, I think he deserves to be ostracized - he is worthy of nobody's respect.

I note you never answered my questions. Have you made racist remarks when drunk? When sober?

If passion of the christ was anti-semitic, why was one if it's leading stars Jewish and why did she go on record defending it? Would a black person star in a movie that was overtly racist in nature? Would a gay star in a movie that bashed gays without a positive message? To suggest the movie was anti-semitic is quite idiotic.

I've never made racist comments while drunk but that doesn't mean others aren't capable of doing so. I have made my share of stupid comments while drunk, does that mean they were in my heart and I meant them? Absolutely not, thus I can sympathize with Mel Gibson and excuse him for his behavior.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

If passion of the christ was anti-semitic, why was one if it's leading stars Jewish and why did she go on record defending it? Would a black person star in a movie that was overtly racist in nature? Would a gay star in a movie that bashed gays without a positive message? To suggest the movie was anti-semitic is quite idiotic.

I've never made racist comments while drunk but that doesn't mean others aren't capable of doing so. I have made my share of stupid comments while drunk, does that mean they were in my heart and I meant them? Absolutely not, thus I can sympathize with Mel Gibson and excuse him for his behavior.

Are you really that naive? She is an actor, not a producer. She took the role because she was an unknown, and it was a major film by an Oscar-winning director. She would have had no way of knowing how overtly anti-Semitic the movie would turn out, and once it was made she had a huge incentive to promote and defend it, both for financial and career-related reasons (try biting the hand of the first director/producer to put you in a major film and see what it does for your career) and because she no doubt wanted to believe it WASN'T anti-Semitic (Google "cognitive dissonance" if you want to better understand the latter concept).

I guess what bewilders me is that you are SO inclined to defend Mel Gibson (I note that nearly all of your P&N posts seem to have a stridently anti-Israel bent, which I guess offers a clue). I am not myself Jewish, but as I said, I think racists, particularly those who have the capacity for harm that Mel Gibson has (and has availed himself of in the past) need to be ostracized in the interest of promoting a civilized society.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

If passion of the christ was anti-semitic, why was one if it's leading stars Jewish and why did she go on record defending it? Would a black person star in a movie that was overtly racist in nature? Would a gay star in a movie that bashed gays without a positive message? To suggest the movie was anti-semitic is quite idiotic.

I've never made racist comments while drunk but that doesn't mean others aren't capable of doing so. I have made my share of stupid comments while drunk, does that mean they were in my heart and I meant them? Absolutely not, thus I can sympathize with Mel Gibson and excuse him for his behavior.

Are you really that naive? She is an actor, not a producer. She took the role because she was an unknown, and it was a major film by an Oscar-winning director. She would have had no way of knowing how overtly anti-Semitic the movie would turn out, and once it was made she had a huge incentive to promote and defend it, both for financial and career-related reasons (try biting the hand of the first director/producer to put you in a major film and see what it does for your career) and because she no doubt wanted to believe it WASN'T anti-Semitic (Google "cognitive dissonance" if you want to better understand the latter concept).

Wow, just wow. So now you know exactly what she was thinking and what her mindset was? What are you doing on Anandtech, you should setup shop as a mind reader and make millions of dollars, Miss Cleo.

I guess what bewilders me is that you are SO inclined to defend Mel Gibson (I note that nearly all of your P&N posts seem to have a stridently anti-Israel bent, which I guess offers a clue). I am not myself Jewish, but as I said, I think racists, particularly those who have the capacity for harm that Mel Gibson has (and has availed himself of in the past) need to be ostracized in the interest of promoting a civilized society.

So what you're trying to allude to is that I'm an anti-semite because I'm defending Mel Gibson and because I take a stand against Israel? Miss cleo strikes out again. BTW just to spare you from using your apparent mind reading powers, I support Israels right to exist and even defend itself. That doesn't mean I excuse it from violating humans rights, using excessive force and getting away with one-sided propaganda.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Wow, just wow. So now you know exactly what she was thinking and what her mindset was? What are you doing on Anandtech, you should setup shop as a mind reader and make millions of dollars, Miss Cleo.

So what you're trying to allude to is that I'm an anti-semite because I'm defending Mel Gibson and because I take a stand against Israel? Miss cleo strikes out again.

You, not I, were the first one to wade into speculating about what Maia Morgenstern was thinking.

I think it's interesting you're wading into silly personal insults ("Miss Cleo" not once but twice) because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. I'm not saying you're a racist, I'm saying I see no other plausible explanation for why you are so incensed by people "playing the anti-Semitism card" after Mel Gibson made blatantly anti-Semitic remarks, and you have yet to provide one.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Wow, just wow. So now you know exactly what she was thinking and what her mindset was? What are you doing on Anandtech, you should setup shop as a mind reader and make millions of dollars, Miss Cleo.

So what you're trying to allude to is that I'm an anti-semite because I'm defending Mel Gibson and because I take a stand against Israel? Miss cleo strikes out again.

You, not I, were the first one to wade into speculating about what Maia Morgenstern was thinking.

I think it's interesting you're wading into silly personal insults ("Miss Cleo" not once but twice) because you're uncomfortable with what I'm saying. I'm not saying you're a racist, I'm saying I see no other plausible explanation for why you are so incensed by people "playing the anti-Semitism card" after Mel Gibson made blatantly anti-Semitic remarks, and you have yet to provide one.

I don't need to pretend to be Miss Cleo like you, I'll let you read exactly what she said when she defended the movie: http://judaism.about.com/gi/dynamic/off...nal.com/home/searchview.php%3Fid=11135

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

I don't need to pretend to be Miss Cleo like you, I'll let you read exactly what she said when she defended the movie: http://judaism.about.com/gi/dynamic/off...nal.com/home/searchview.php%3Fid=11135

OK, as long as you're giving me credit for being Miss Cleo, allow me to look into my crystal ball . . . you have no plausible explanation (or at least not one you'll ever admit to) for why you are so worked up about Mel Gibson's right to villify "the fvcking Jews" with impunity.

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

I don't need to pretend to be Miss Cleo like you, I'll let you read exactly what she said when she defended the movie: http://judaism.about.com/gi/dynamic/off...nal.com/home/searchview.php%3Fid=11135

OK, as long as you're giving me credit for being Miss Cleo, allow me to look into my crystal ball . . . you have no plausible explanation (or at least not one you'll ever admit to) for why you are so worked up about Mel Gibson's right to villify "the fvcking Jews" with impunity.

You haven't given a plausible explanation for why you're so adamant about villifying a drunk alcoholic? You've even gone as far as claiming to know what people are thinking so I'd have to peg you as a few eggs short of a dozen.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker


You haven't given a plausible explanation for why you're so adamant about villifying a drunk alcoholic? You've even gone as far as claiming to know what people are thinking so I'd have to peg you as a few eggs short of a dozen.

I've claimed no such thing (though I'd rather be wacky than a liar), and I've said about a jillion times that a) I don't believe alcohol causes non-racists to say racist things; and b) I think racists, especially powerful racists, need to be exposed. Fortunately some racists choose to expose themselves. You, OTOH, have posed no credible explanation for why a non-anti-Semite would start blathering about the "fvcking Jews" after a few drinks.

 

[Gondorff]

Originally posted by: DonVito

Originally posted by: 5150Joker


You haven't given a plausible explanation for why you're so adamant about villifying a drunk alcoholic? You've even gone as far as claiming to know what people are thinking so I'd have to peg you as a few eggs short of a dozen.

I've claimed no such thing (though I'd rather be wacky than a liar), and I've said about a jillion times that a) I don't believe alcohol causes non-racists to say racist things; and b) I think racists, especially powerful racists, need to be exposed. Fortunately some racists choose to expose themselves. You, OTOH, have posed no credible explanation for why a non-anti-Semite would start blathering about the "fvcking Jews" after a few drinks.

I make no claim that I am right, but I think there is certainly a credible explanation countering your argument. Mel Gibson's father, as we know, was very anti-semitic, and it is very likely that he taught Mel a few things when he was young that were wrong. And Mel probably believed it then, and it probably carried on with him for a long time. However, it is certainly possible that he no longer holds such beliefs anymore, yet being as drunk as he was brought back some of his not-so-nice past. Anti-semitism could easily have been ingrained in him when he was younger to enough of an extent that while he may know it is wrong now, his less conscious, more emotional self that was brought out by being drunk reacted in the way that was ingrained in him long ago.

Again, I don't claim to know this, nor am I condoning what happened in any way. But I think we should at least consider other possibilities before jumping to conclusions.