Megyn Kelly - Black Face Halloween Comments

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Lifer
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Key word there is "ignorant".

Are "ignorant" and "racist" just the same thing now? I would hope not.

I don't think ignorance is a fireable offense. I also don't agree with NBC using this gaffe as an excuse to get rid of Kelly (which is what some think they're doing due to ratings or due to power plays from Today Show staff.)

Ignorance is most definitely a firing offense. People get fired for being ignorant about their job all the time. Her job is to be liked, to get ratings. If her ignorance makes her bad at her job, then she should be fired.
 

Bitek

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I grew up in the 70s and 80s and knew then that blackface was racist and offensive and that was growing up in overwhelmingly white areas.

True dat.

And even if you didn't, IDK how you could have missed that fact by now. We seem to have one of these controversies every few Halloweens. Always ends same way. Don't do it.
 

fskimospy

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Nah nobody cared because nobody cared. Halloween was a time to wear offensive stuff. It didn’t have to be sanitized. The point was to scare, offend, push boundaries that you otherwise wouldn’t. People didn’t get up in arms over the dumbest stuff back then either (well the Christian Right did over pagans etc so that just made everyone want to do it more).

Interesting, so you're saying people weren't offended by blackface in the 1970's? Someone better tell the TV show cancelled when our good friend Megyn was 8, specifically over concerns of racism due to the use of blackface. (yes this was in the UK but if you really want to argue that black people in the US weren't similarly offended... come on.) What's to be offended about, after all? They were just dressing up like at Halloween!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show

You probably mean YOU weren't offended, but who cares about that?
 

Jaskalas

Lifer
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So she is just sharing her racism with them? That way they can learn more about what its like to be racist against them?

Jesus !@#$%^& Christ, asking for clarity and sharing a historical ignorance of something IS NOT ITSELF PART OF THE OFFENSE.

I saw the video clip and I read the quote, and in the context I have before me, Megyn Kelly did nothing wrong.
"But what is racist?" Kelly asked on her show. "Because you do get in trouble if you are a white person who puts on blackface on Halloween, or a black person who puts on whiteface for Halloween. Back when I was a kid that was OK, as long as you were dressing up as, like, a character."

All I see here is the panel speaking of the topic. Kelly shares her experience (or lack thereof), and how dare she?!
BS, it's a grievance derived from absolutely nothing. Unless you mean to tell us white people cannot broach the subject.
Is that the issue, you think Megyn Kelly should learn her place, is that it?
 

child of wonder

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If Idris Elba becomes the next James Bond, I love his portrayal of the character, respect him as an actor, and think he played the best James Bond ever I am not allowed to dress up as Idris Elba's James Bond for Halloween or I'm racist because I'm white?
 

Jaskalas

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If Idris Elba becomes the next James Bond, I love his portrayal of the character, respect him as an actor, and think he played the best James Bond ever I am not allowed to dress up as Idris Elba's James Bond for Halloween or I'm racist because I'm white?

Idris Elba is freaking awesome at whatever he does, but I don't like them altering existing characters. Ghostbusters, for example. Bleh.

As for your case, it'd probably be derided as either straight up racism or cultural appropriation.
 

VRAMdemon

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I watched the clip...Blackface has a long tradition of being used to mock people of color. She should know this, and know that because of this it’s not socially acceptable. Her comment was stupid. Ignorance is not a defense. On her show...Her job is to be a twit

But...IMO..She was not being deliberately racist though..She was not promoting racism. She is simply a twit.
 

ivwshane

Lifer
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I haven't read this thread and I don't plan to but I'm curious, did anyone come to the conclusion that Megan kelly is uglycassanova? She does follow the same M.O. after all, the old shtick of, "why is this racist?", because they are totally unaware of recent history in this country.
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
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Interesting, so you're saying people weren't offended by blackface in the 1970's? Someone better tell the TV show cancelled when our good friend Megyn was 8, specifically over concerns of racism due to the use of blackface. (yes this was in the UK but if you really want to argue that black people in the US weren't similarly offended... come on.) What's to be offended about, after all? They were just dressing up like at Halloween!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Black_and_White_Minstrel_Show

You probably mean YOU weren't offended, but who cares about that?


I never said people weren't offended, they were obviously.
 

UglyCasanova

Lifer
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I haven't read this thread and I don't plan to but I'm curious, did anyone come to the conclusion that Megan kelly is uglycassanova? She does follow the same M.O. after all, the old shtick of, "why is this racist?", because they are totally unaware of recent history in this country.


I never said it wasn't racist.
 

HomerJS

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Is this costume allowed because mother claims ignorance of history? I bet all their friends are ok with it.
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fskimospy

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I never said people weren't offended, they were obviously.

You're right, you said nobody cared. That's also clearly untrue, as per my link. The show wouldn't have been cancelled if nobody cared.

Maybe it would be more helpful if you could identify the time frame where you think this was true.
 

UNCjigga

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This is one of those instances where I think liberals should be celebrating the death of political correctness. I think it's profoundly stupid to waste even a second of attention span discussing Megyn Kelly's ignorance of blackface when you have tens of thousands of black votes in Georgia are being tossed aside. THAT is racism.

Criticizing a 50-something white woman on her lack of wokeness is just asinine.
 

woolfe9998

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Assuming she didn't understand that blackface even on Halloween is offensive to black people, does that make her racist? I think she said something stupid, but I don't think the show should have been cancelled over it. Being ignorant does not always mean being racist.
 
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HomerJS

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NBC was too quick to fire her. This was an opportunity to use the next show to discuss the subject. Blackface vs using facial makeup of another color.

Applying white facial makeup isn't racist if followed by a red nose and wig
 

ivwshane

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This is one of those instances where I think liberals should be celebrating the death of political correctness. I think it's profoundly stupid to waste even a second of attention span discussing Megyn Kelly's ignorance of blackface when you have tens of thousands of black votes in Georgia are being tossed aside. THAT is racism.

Criticizing a 50-something white woman on her lack of wokeness is just asinine.

And here I thought people were capable of doing both at the same time.
 

hal2kilo

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Jesus !@#$%^& Christ, asking for clarity and sharing a historical ignorance of something IS NOT ITSELF PART OF THE OFFENSE.

I saw the video clip and I read the quote, and in the context I have before me, Megyn Kelly did nothing wrong.


All I see here is the panel speaking of the topic. Kelly shares her experience (or lack thereof), and how dare she?!
BS, it's a grievance derived from absolutely nothing. Unless you mean to tell us white people cannot broach the subject.
Is that the issue, you think Megyn Kelly should learn her place, is that it?
Except being a vacuous, white privileged, know nothing.
 
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UNCjigga

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And here I thought people were capable of doing both at the same time.

Not in America...at least not in the right wing echo chambers. This just gives them another excuse to put their blinders on, ignore real problems, and focus on OMG TWITTER IS BEING SO MEAN TO MEGYN!!!! Why give them another excuse to play the white victim card???
 

momeNt

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The only "blackface" that is acceptable, is if one were to dress up as Robert Downey Jr. playing his role in Tropic Thunder.

I bristle at people dressing up as hispanics for no good reason, so I think i'm qualified to talk on the matter.
 
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I grew up in the 70s and 80s and knew then that blackface was racist and offensive and that was growing up in overwhelmingly white areas.

He's just continuing his 'nasty liberals unwilling to meet the poor misunderstood reactionaries half way' shtick of the past year or so.
 

1sikbITCH

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I hadn't seen a thread on this... Megyn Kelly is in hot water for saying she didn't think black face costumes were that big of a deal on Halloween. Of course the left freaked out and now it looks like she may lose her job over her benign opinion. This is the left's ways today, either get on board 100% with group think or face the consequences. And the liberals think they are the defenders of free speech and individuality, the anti-fascists. So ironic.

What she said.

Her future in doubt at NBC.

You can take the reporter out of Fox News but you cannot take Fox News out of the reporter.
 
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ivwshane

Lifer
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Not in America...at least not in the right wing echo chambers. This just gives them another excuse to put their blinders on, ignore real problems, and focus on OMG TWITTER IS BEING SO MEAN TO MEGYN!!!! Why give them another excuse to play the white victim card???

If you haven't figured it out yet, they don't need excuses, they can create whatever reality they need to justify their actions and beliefs. It doesn't matter what anyone else says and does.

What you are in fact doing is normalizing their behavior.
 
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woolfe9998

Lifer
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This is one of those instances where I think liberals should be celebrating the death of political correctness. I think it's profoundly stupid to waste even a second of attention span discussing Megyn Kelly's ignorance of blackface when you have tens of thousands of black votes in Georgia are being tossed aside. THAT is racism.

Criticizing a 50-something white woman on her lack of wokeness is just asinine.

Rumors of the demise of political correctness are greatly exaggerated.