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Meghan McCain is right...

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zsdersw

zsdersw

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... DADT needs to be repealed, and Obama isn't doing it.

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/09/18/Meghan_McCain_Talks_Dad_DADT/

An outspoken supporter of gay rights, Meghan McCain has taken a fair amount of heat in recent weeks for her father's opposition to repealing "don't ask, don't tell." Now Meghan is speaking out — and while she clearly doesn't see eye to eye with John McCain, she places most of the blame for the holdup on President Obama.

Meghan McCain wrote on Twitter Saturday: "I am a supporter of LGBT rights and am against DADT - I fight every day. Until you are the daughter of a republican senator - don't assume what I do and the stances I take are ever easy. I love my family and I love the gay community. There's a lot of anger being projected at me personally for my father's stance on DADT. I love my father very much and we disagree. Project your anger at politicians and the president you elected, because last time I checked - Obama isn't exactly advocating for LGBT rights or removing DADT."
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Obama's also not a terribly serious advocate of GLBT rights. I voted for him anyway because John McCain would've been worse for GLBT rights. We'll see what 2012 brings.
 
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classy

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DADT if repealed, I guarantee will lead to less homosexuals serving in the military. If people think long long held traditions in the military will change if it is repealed is in for a sad rude awakening. I bet 90% or better of the recruits who are openly gay in any of the branches won't make it through basic training.
 
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zsdersw said:
... DADT needs to be repealed, and Obama isn't doing it.

http://www.advocate.com/News/Daily_News/2010/09/18/Meghan_McCain_Talks_Dad_DADT/



Obama's also not a terribly serious advocate of GLBT rights. I voted for him anyway because John McCain would've been worse for GLBT rights. We'll see what 2012 brings.
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Everyone should be voting first for what's best for the country and only second (should there be no discernible difference in the candidates) for their own best interests, be it gay issues, black issues, women's issues, etc.
 
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classy

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zsdersw said:
Where are you getting that number from?
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I bet if DADT is repealed, I willing to bet 90% of the recruits who are openly gay won't make it out of basic training. That would be my guess. It will be a very high number who won't be able to serve. I have a problem with the military prosecuting gay soldiers though.
 
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JSt0rm

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classy said:
I bet if DADT is repealed, I willing to bet 90% of the recruits who are openly gay won't make it out of basic training. That would be my guess. It will be a very high number who won't be able to serve. I have a problem with the military prosecuting gay soldiers though.
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Why do you say that? Do you think they will be pushed out? or are you saying gays cant do the work? What is it?
 
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Infohawk

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I've been saying for quite some time Obama is no friend to the gay community.
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I don't think he's a secret Muslim but I think he's a secret friend of the gay community. I think he made a conscious decision to deprioritize their issues to stop giving Republicans wedge issues. I actually think it was a good decision since most gay rights are playing out favorably on the state level.

Obama's political mistake? Replacing gays with overseas muslims in the minds of conservatives. Obama would have been better off defending 10% of the population as opposed to crying about what so-called moderates in other countries think.
 
SP33Demon

SP33Demon

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I can't take anything she says seriously, it's all Obama this, Obama that FUD. Take a look at her blog, most of her posts are about Obama.
 
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I have no problem with gays serving openly. Nothing is really going to change though. No one is going to allow a male in the military to wear a female uniform, we will not change any of our standards or traditions and honestly I doubt most gay men/women who are serious about serving are going to advocate for it. As long as they live their lives in a conservative manner in accordance with the regulations, no problems. Most of those who have been removed from service did exactly that.

If they want to be loud, obnoxious and overly flamboyant then yes they will be thrown out with a quickness, but we do that all the time. Failure to adapt to the military culture is grounds for administrative separation. The military is and always has been a society within a society. It will always be right of center, regardless of where center is.

I honestly want and securely hope that this is repealed. I hope that those who are serious about their service advocate that this is not a political statement. I do not want this all to be ruined by a few who see this as an opportunity to poke the military in the eye. No one will win in that situation.
 
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tinker2141

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classy said:
They will be pushed out. They will be ostracized.
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May be, may be not. That is dependant on the Officers in charge. I do not think any officer in their right mind wants to be the first man or women court martialed for discrimination against Gays within their command. I know I dont. All it takes is one extreme example to be made and that will be the end of it. One highly publisized Court Martial across all services and the problem will be quickly and efficiently be solved.
 
zsdersw

zsdersw

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classy said:
I bet if DADT is repealed, I willing to bet 90% of the recruits who are openly gay won't make it out of basic training. That would be my guess. It will be a very high number who won't be able to serve. I have a problem with the military prosecuting gay soldiers though.
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What can you possibly be basing this off of? Your belief that all gay people are "limp wristed", flamey, and not tough enough to survive the tests that basic training presents?
 
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My brother, who was in the military for a few years (so by no means an expert, but at least has first-hand experience) says he knew several guys who were definitely gay. No one said anything, but everyone knew. He doesn't have any stories of them being pushed out. And while it's anecdotal, it's a heck of a lot more than "I think 90% will be ostracized."
 
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tinker2141

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Dekasa said:
My brother, who was in the military for a few years (so by no means an expert, but at least has first-hand experience) says he knew several guys who were definitely gay. No one said anything, but everyone knew. He doesn't have any stories of them being pushed out. And while it's anecdotal, it's a heck of a lot more than "I think 90% will be ostracized."
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That is because everyone declines to reconize the other part of DADT, the do not harass and do not persue clause. You leave them alone unless they start screaming they are gay.
 
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JeffreyLebowski

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zsdersw said:
What can you possibly be basing this off of? Your belief that all gay people are "limp wristed", flamey, and not tough enough to survive the tests that basic training presents?
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While true, not all gays are limp wristed Kansas City f@gg0ts. Many are more flamboiant about their sexuality and tend to advertise it more so than straight people.
You can deny it all you want, but that's the reality of it. And when you are going to be serving in another country, they might not take to kindly to homosexuals and not want that kind of activity in their country.
 
zsdersw

zsdersw

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JeffreyLebowski said:
While true, not all gays are limp wristed Kansas City f@gg0ts. Many are more flamboiant about their sexuality and tend to advertise it more so than straight people.
You can deny it all you want, but that's the reality of it. And when you are going to be serving in another country, they might not take to kindly to homosexuals and not want that kind of activity in their country.
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In my considerable experience with the GLBT community as a member of it I can very assuredly say that very few of the flamboyant types are interested in military service.. which makes your point entirely moot.
 
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zsdersw

zsdersw

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werepossum said:
Everyone should be voting first for what's best for the country and only second (should there be no discernible difference in the candidates) for their own best interests, be it gay issues, black issues, women's issues, etc.
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The bolded part is almost a guarantee, particularly at the national level.
 
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