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Increasing the number of decks doesn't make it harder to count, it makes it easier.
What? Counting face cards (or whatever cards you want) in a single deck provides much better results than counting them in 6 decks.
 

kstu

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Yes. It's a fact. Trust me on this one, counting on a multiple deck game is actually easier and more beneficial to the player / team if they count.
more beneficial absolutely, since house advantage increases as you add decks. not trying to say you're wrong, as i don't really know a ton about counting cards, but my assumption is it's easier to keep the count for a single deck, when 15-20% of the cards can be out in a single hand. you have a link to support your side? id be interested in reading more.
 

kstu

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srs. again, not claiming to be mr. expert card counter. but i stand by my position that it's easier to know the count in a single deck game vs. shoe game.
 

bhanson

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What? Counting face cards (or whatever cards you want) in a single deck provides much better results than counting them in 6 decks.

more beneficial absolutely, since house advantage increases as you add decks. not trying to say you're wrong, as i don't really know a ton about counting cards, but my assumption is it's easier to keep the count for a single deck, when 15-20% of the cards can be out in a single hand. you have a link to support your side? id be interested in reading more.

More decks are better for the player. This is because when the deck is hot (read: there is a larger percentage of face cards still left to be dealt) it will be hot for longer, and also have the potential for higher percentages.

Counting 6 decks is no more difficult than counting 1 because you count progressively. You watch the dealer and count as they go along.
 

bhanson

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srs. again, not claiming to be mr. expert card counter. but i stand by my position that it's easier to know the count in a single deck game vs. shoe game.

If the single deck game is being dealt and shuffled by hand then it opens up the potential for shuffle-tracking, but this is an advanced technique and has nothing to do with the count.

The count where the number of decks is not a criterium to its difficulty.
 

tigersty1e

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What a phony amatuer. The fact that we know about him makes him weak.

More decks increases the leverage. Because the house starts with a small edge with 1 deck, that edge increases as you add more decks.
 

bhanson

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this much i can say is absolutely false:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackjack#Rule_variations_and_their_consequences_for_the_house_edge

i understand that whether it's single deck or shoe game is immaterial to counting, but i contend it is much easier to keep the count in a single deck game.

The technical aspect of card counting is not too difficult. Unfortunately playing perfect BJ will get you kicked out of a casino pretty quickly because you have to vary your bet size.

The problem is that single or double deck games make it harder to disguise your play. Casinos look for counters so if you are obvious they will simply kick you out. You have to be able to fly under the radar and more decks allow you to do that.

It has become far more difficult to get away with betting large money in single-deck and double-deck games. The majority of the big-money advantage players stick to shoe games, which they consider safer from detection. - Blackjack Blueprint, Rick Blaine

6-deck games are also suitable for team games.
 

WaTaGuMp

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You can count cards in a 6 deck show using a points system. Anyhow, if he was counting, they would spot him by his betting pattern.
 

Zebo

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Johnson, 49, of Bensalem, Pa., is the chief executive officer of Heritage Development LLC, a Wyoming-based company that uses computer-assisted wagering programs for horseracing.

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The guys is probably some kind of stats wiz by his company. Obviously counting.