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dank69

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The search warrant was executed in December, 7 months after she was fired from her job. There was a lot of time for others to come forward. Her characterization of a guns drawn raid has been disputed by police who have released body camera video. If you want to review that and decide whether the search warrant was appropriately executed, be my guest.

I have no reason to entertain her motivations. Lots of possible things come to mind, but I have no reason to think they are relevant.
I provided you a NY Times link showing the officers with guns drawn. Just sayin'

What others are going to come forward after seeing how she is being treated?
 

ivwshane

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I provided you a NY Times link showing the officers with guns drawn. Just sayin'

What others are going to come forward after seeing how she is being treated?

Maybe you needed something from National review to convince him./eye roll
 

cytg111

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Oh yeah - She was the one that was raided by the feds last December. I think we had a thread on that at the time?

Yeah, she was a nutcase of epic proportions.




lol if you want documented proof of the level of cognitive dissonance here - look no further.

Wait? You are they guy who got his mind raided by Hillary's emails right?
How you doing man, everything ok?
Then blown out by Bidens pipeline... tough roll buddy. Hang in there.
 
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I provided you a NY Times link showing the officers with guns drawn. Just sayin'

What others are going to come forward after seeing how she is being treated?

I guess I should have been more specific seeing as she made claims that a gun was pointed at her face and at her kids and that it wasn't clear that they were there to execute a warrant. It is clear that guns were drawn when the officers entered. It is also clear that the officers for 23 minutes attempted get Jones to respond both at the door and via cell phone to execute the warrant and were quite clear of who they were and their purpose. Any video recorded does not show any weapon being pointed at any person. It does support that officers had guns drawn and that one officer pointed his gun toward the upstairs generally when the husband indicated he was upstairs. It seems that represents her claim that guns were pointed at their kids because they were also upstairs somewhere. Of course the kids wouldn't have known that any firearm was pointed vaguely in their direction. Personally, I think that guns drawn without any direct evidence of violent potential executing a search warrant for electronic devices at a personal residence should not include drawing firearms, but given the patience displayed in attempting to get her to answer their attempts to serve the warrant, having guns drawn upon entry to the point they can assess that the environment is safe sounds reasonably in line with my knowledge of police procedure.

Here's the TBT article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2020/12/10/watch-footage-released-of-police-raid-of-florida-data-analysts-home/?outputType=amp
 
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while in recess I would point out that the factual based discussion taking place here right now, regarding the topic at hand.. and the total absence of OP and the right wing gang.
JUST saying that disinformation bombs is what they do, and if they drop enough bombs, you will use all your clock cycles dealing with morons instead of real topics.
 
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I guess I should have been more specific seeing as she made claims that a gun was pointed at her face and at her kids and that it wasn't clear that they were there to execute a warrant. It is clear that guns were drawn when the officers entered. It is also clear that the officers for 23 minutes attempted get Jones to respond both at the door and via cell phone to execute the warrant and were quite clear of who they were and their purpose. Any video recorded does not show any weapon being pointed at any person. It does support that officers had guns drawn and that one officer pointed his gun toward the upstairs generally when the husband indicated he was upstairs. It seems that represents her claim that guns were pointed at their kids because they were also upstairs somewhere. Of course the kids wouldn't have known that any firearm was pointed vaguely in their direction. Personally, I think that guns drawn without any direct evidence of violent potential executing a search warrant for electronic devices at a personal residence should not include drawing firearms, but given the patience displayed in attempting to get her to answer their attempts to serve the warrant, having guns drawn upon entry to the point they can assess that the environment is safe sounds reasonably in line with my knowledge of police procedure.

Here's the TBT article: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.tampabay.com/news/florida-politics/2020/12/10/watch-footage-released-of-police-raid-of-florida-data-analysts-home/?outputType=amp
Okay so she slightly exaggerated on twitter. Is that her crime? Does that negate everything she's ever said on the matter? There were claims earlier in this thread I believe that the cops said they didn't draw guns. They release video that doesn't show drawn guns. Her video shows them with guns drawn. IMO that shows the cops tried to decieve us all. No surprise there. Is her crime that she made them wait? Apparently at the advice of her attorney? Why were they searching her anyway if they didn't charge her with a crime? The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and I haven't seen anything that warrants the vitriol the right has for her.
 

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Oh yeah - She was the one that was raided by the feds last December. I think we had a thread on that at the time?

Yeah, she was a nutcase of epic proportions.
What your saying is that she and blackangst1 are both nutcases.....
 

blackangst1

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Ahem, fuck you!

Edit- were you not the same dumbfuck that gave me a snarky ass comment just this very day regarding the language I have used in my posts??? Seems your hypocritical nature knows no bounds.

No bounds whatsoever! If you cant beat em join em! Fucker !

Suck an intelligent conversation! Mouth breather lol
 

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Okay so she slightly exaggerated on twitter. Is that her crime? Does that negate everything she's ever said on the matter? There were claims earlier in this thread I believe that the cops said they didn't draw guns. They release video that doesn't show drawn guns. Her video shows them with guns drawn. IMO that shows the cops tried to decieve us all. No surprise there. Is her crime that she made them wait? Apparently at the advice of her attorney? Why were they searching her anyway if they didn't charge her with a crime? The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and I haven't seen anything that warrants the vitriol the right has for her.

She didn't merely slightly exaggerate. In relation to the police encounter, maybe. The larger problem is that she claimed she was fired from FDoH because she refused to falsify COVID data, but there is an internal paper trail which documents an entirely different reason for her termination, which also calls into question the credibility of her claim that she was ever asked to falsify data to begin with. This isn't based on the NR article. It's based on the actual documents which are available online and are linked in the article.
 

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Coming from you I take that as a compliment!
Also -- VW MAN said it best --
while in recess I would point out that the factual based discussion taking place here right now, regarding the topic at hand.. and the total absence of OP and the right wing gang.
JUST saying that disinformation bombs is what they do, and if they drop enough bombs, you will use all your clock cycles dealing with morons instead of real topics.
 

dank69

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She didn't merely slightly exaggerate. In relation to the police encounter, maybe. The larger problem is that she claimed she was fired from FDoH because she refused to falsify COVID data, but there is an internal paper trail which documents an entirely different reason for her termination, which also calls into question the credibility of her claim that she was ever asked to falsify data to begin with. This isn't based on the NR article. It's based on the actual documents which are available online and are linked in the article.
Ah, now we get to this part of the claim. So she claims she was fired for refusing to falsify data or deceptively present data. I have seen that she is accused of making one or both of these claims but have not seen it documented so I'm not sure which, if either are true. Then I see the conservative blogosphere rush in with "no no no we now have the internal documentation of why she was fired." Looking into that, the internal documentation started on May 6th and resulted in her firing on May 20th? 18th? I forget which, but does it matter? They went from starting documentation to firing 2 weeks or less. You don't find that suspicious? How much experience do you have with HR and firings these days? I haven't heard anyone getting terminated that fast in ages unless they broke laws. Then the company "documentation" is wishy washy. Went from she needs training to get rid of her, again in a matter of days. We know this was all happening publicly and we know it was making the GOP look really bad. REALLY BAD, if true. If I didn't know any better, I'd say it looks like an obvious coverup. I seem to remember a bunch of actual data scientists at the time singing her praises as well, but I did not follow any of this very closely and I am by no means an expert. What I do know is that evidence against her is flimsy to non-existent, and that I would trust literally anyone else over Desantis or any GOP politician.
 
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Dont tell me you believe this woman...
Must be a slow night in crazy town...guessing you cant get hard enough to play with yourself so you need to come here seeking some stimulation in order to be able to rub one out.

Seriously what does my reply to you above reminding you that you got your ass handed to you because of your idiotic stupidity elsewhere on these forums have to do with you making the connection that I may believe this lady? What kind of fucked up shit happened to the gray matter between your skull?
 
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Oh yeah - She was the one that was raided by the feds last December. I think we had a thread on that at the time?

Yeah, she was a nutcase of epic proportions.




lol if you want documented proof of the level of cognitive dissonance here - look no further.

False. It was Florida authorities, not the Feds. Nice embellishment, however.
 
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Okay so she slightly exaggerated on twitter. Is that her crime? Does that negate everything she's ever said on the matter? There were claims earlier in this thread I believe that the cops said they didn't draw guns. They release video that doesn't show drawn guns. Her video shows them with guns drawn. IMO that shows the cops tried to decieve us all. No surprise there. Is her crime that she made them wait? Apparently at the advice of her attorney? Why were they searching her anyway if they didn't charge her with a crime? The whole thing stinks to high heaven, and I haven't seen anything that warrants the vitriol the right has for her.


https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...-arrest-turns-herself-in-to-florida-authoriti

She has been charged with crimes. It takes evidence to pursue a search warrant and a judge to issue the warrant based on that evidence. It takes evidence to pursue an arrest warrant and a judge to issue the warrant based on that evidence. These investigations involve multitudes of people and public court filings. I have no doubt in my mind that evidence and charges against her are real and valid cases to pursue under the law. I don't know how important they are to pursue, but this clearly isn't a case of baseless intimidation tactics.

On a personal level I don't care much about her criminal charges or criminal record or her proclivity to making exaggerated claims about how she is treated. These things are simply evidence supporting that she is not a credible witness. However, because she could not substantiate her claims about misconduct in the FL DOH and no one else has offered supportive evidence, the only way for her to establish that her claims should be believed is based on her individual credibility. As such, her claims shouldn't be believed. Again, this does not mean they are necessarily false. It just means that her word for it is insufficient.

The vitriol from the right? She is being scapegoated, pure and simple. Her lack of individual credibility does not carry transitive properties to other whistleblowers representing left-leaning interests. And it certainly does not indicate that those on the right have any sort of moral superiority in converse. Yet, these are the kinds of biases our minds have a natural tendency to develop. That is the reason why I engage in this thread. To enhance our self-awareness -- the very opposite mission of the right.
 
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https://www.npr.org/sections/corona...-arrest-turns-herself-in-to-florida-authoriti

She has been charged with crimes. It takes evidence to pursue a search warrant and a judge to issue the warrant based on that evidence. It takes evidence to pursue an arrest warrant and a judge to issue the warrant based on that evidence. These investigations involve multitudes of people and public court filings. I have no doubt in my mind that evidence and charges against her are real and valid cases to pursue under the law. I don't know how important they are to pursue, but this clearly isn't a case of baseless intimidation tactics.

On a personal level I don't care much about her criminal charges or criminal record or her proclivity to making exaggerated claims about how she is treated. These things are simply evidence supporting that she is not a credible witness. However, because she could not substantiate her claims about misconduct in the FL DOH and no one else has offered supportive evidence, the only way for her to establish that her claims should be believed is based on her individual credibility. As such, her claims shouldn't be believed. Again, this does not mean they are necessarily false. It just means that her word for it is insufficient.

The vitriol from the right? She is being scapegoated, pure and simple. Her lack of individual credibility does not carry transitive properties to other whistleblowers representing left-leaning interests. And it certainly does not indicate that those on the right have any sort of moral superiority in converse. Yet, these are the kinds of biases our minds have a natural tendency to develop. That is the reason why I engage in this thread. To enhance our self-awareness -- the very opposite mission of the right.
In case you want to scrutinize DeSantis' credibility as hard as you scrutinize hers:


This motherfucker cites NR in his fact-checking. As far as I know the only charge against her is for illegally accessing the network after being fired in order to send an email to everyone she worked with pleading for someone else to come forward with the truth. Obviously gaining unauthorized access is a bad idea but sending that message doesn't make me think she is simply out for attention.
 
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In case you want to scrutinize DeSantis' credibility as hard as you scrutinize hers:


This motherfucker cites NR in his fact-checking. As far as I know the only charge against her is for illegally accessing the network after being fired in order to send an email to everyone she worked with pleading for someone else to come forward with the truth. Obviously gaining unauthorized access is a bad idea but sending that message doesn't make me think she is simply out for attention.

I make no bones about my impression that DeSantis is an utter POS governor who horribly failed Florida early on the pandemic and responds to criticism in toxic Trumpist fashion.

That of course, has nothing to do with Jones. According to the NPR article, she also downloaded and stored confidential data on personal devices and later tried to gain unauthorized access to the system. The NR article alleges she also crashed the dashboard and locked out her manager from accessing the system. Take that source for what it's worth. Like I said, I'm not personally sure that the charges are in the interest of justice to pursue, but they do seem to fit criminal statutes.

As to her motivation, I don't see how these actions exclude her from being motivated by attention seeking. They seemed to predictably garner a lot of attention. Regardless, what is the point of trying to ascertain her motivations? Would that analysis somehow prove her story true or untrue?

I guess since you are continually questioning my posting here it indicates that you find her claims to be credible. Is that the case? If so, based on what evidence?
 

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Lol!

-I don’t thinks she’s credible because she doesn’t have anything to prove her claims! Oh and she’s not credible because apparently she was trying to get information to prove her claims!

-Oh and she exaggerated her claims according to a known biased source!

Shows video that backs up her claims and disproves the claims from the biased source.

-Well her claims were still just a little exaggerated...
 
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I make no bones about my impression that DeSantis is an utter POS governor who horribly failed Florida early on the pandemic and responds to criticism in toxic Trumpist fashion.

That of course, has nothing to do with Jones. According to the NPR article, she also downloaded and stored confidential data on personal devices and later tried to gain unauthorized access to the system. The NR article alleges she also crashed the dashboard and locked out her manager from accessing the system. Take that source for what it's worth. Like I said, I'm not personally sure that the charges are in the interest of justice to pursue, but they do seem to fit criminal statutes.

As to her motivation, I don't see how these actions exclude her from being motivated by attention seeking. They seemed to predictably garner a lot of attention. Regardless, what is the point of trying to ascertain her motivations? Would that analysis somehow prove her story true or untrue?

I guess since you are continually questioning my posting here it indicates that you find her claims to be credible. Is that the case? If so, based on what evidence?
I find them credible because Trump wanted to suppress the severity and DeSantis wanted to suppress the severity, as well as many other GOP politicians. As I also mentioned earlier, I seem to remember actual data scientists backing her up and condemning the state when this was happening. Not knowing anything about it, I deferred to the supposed experts. However, I did not follow it that closely and do not know if they were actual experts or if they were tricked by her or really anything else. I'm forced to choose between a known quantity: GOP and an unknown quantity: Rebekah. Change Rebekah to dog shit and I'd still default to believing the dog shit.

Is anything she said true? I don't know. Is anything DeSantis says true? Highly probable that everything he says is a lie. Highly probable that everything he does is malicious. Highly probable that every word he has said about her is a lie, even if she was lying as well. The fact that conservative media is loudly shitting on her again when nobody asked about her also leads me to believe that the GOP is desperate to poison the well further.
 

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I find them credible because Trump wanted to suppress the severity and DeSantis wanted to suppress the severity, as well as many other GOP politicians. As I also mentioned earlier, I seem to remember actual data scientists backing her up and condemning the state when this was happening. Not knowing anything about it, I deferred to the supposed experts. However, I did not follow it that closely and do not know if they were actual experts or if they were tricked by her or really anything else. I'm forced to choose between a known quantity: GOP and an unknown quantity: Rebekah. Change Rebekah to dog shit and I'd still default to believing the dog shit.

Is anything she said true? I don't know. Is anything DeSantis says true? Highly probable that everything he says is a lie. Highly probable that everything he does is malicious. Highly probable that every word he has said about her is a lie, even if she was lying as well. The fact that conservative media is loudly shitting on her again when nobody asked about her also leads me to believe that the GOP is desperate to poison the well further.

I think you're describing a false dilemma.

As to data scientists backing her up, there's quite a difference between analysis recognizing that the state data was inadequately capturing the scope of the pandemic and any sort of evidence indicating a direct manipulation of data. The nature of Jone's concern that the state wasn't capturing and making apparent the scope of the problem was correct. As to the notion that she was instructed to manipulate the data, well that is not something she has been able to demonstrate. It's unfortunate if there is any actual truth here that her credibility has eroded. I am not very familiar with the details, but seeing this things seemed to have gotten wild with public statements and accusations between her and DeSantis after the initial claims. None of his contributions seem befitting of a governor to me. Even if his statements were true, it seems they both ended up treating this as a public grudge match. FL deserved better.

Although I am curious about your last statement. Perhaps there is something they are worried about coming out and are trying to get ahead of it.
 

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Ah, now we get to this part of the claim. So she claims she was fired for refusing to falsify data or deceptively present data. I have seen that she is accused of making one or both of these claims but have not seen it documented so I'm not sure which, if either are true. Then I see the conservative blogosphere rush in with "no no no we now have the internal documentation of why she was fired." Looking into that, the internal documentation started on May 6th and resulted in her firing on May 20th? 18th? I forget which, but does it matter? They went from starting documentation to firing 2 weeks or less. You don't find that suspicious? How much experience do you have with HR and firings these days? I haven't heard anyone getting terminated that fast in ages unless they broke laws. Then the company "documentation" is wishy washy. Went from she needs training to get rid of her, again in a matter of days. We know this was all happening publicly and we know it was making the GOP look really bad. REALLY BAD, if true. If I didn't know any better, I'd say it looks like an obvious coverup. I seem to remember a bunch of actual data scientists at the time singing her praises as well, but I did not follow any of this very closely and I am by no means an expert. What I do know is that evidence against her is flimsy to non-existent, and that I would trust literally anyone else over Desantis or any GOP politician.

This is getting pretty conspiratorial, given that the people involved in that e-mail chain are presumably careerists at DFOH. Careerists who would have to be "in on it."

This is not, as you further suggest, an issue of either believing Jones or believing DeSantis. Not when you have a paper trail.