Meditation increases brain gray matter

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That's the finding from a group of researchers at UCLA who used high-resolution magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) to scan the brains of people who meditate. In a study published in the journal NeuroImage and currently available online (by subscription), the researchers report that certain regions in the brains of long-term meditators were larger than in a similar control group.

Specifically, meditators showed significantly larger volumes of the hippocampus and areas within the orbito-frontal cortex, the thalamus and the inferior temporal gyrus ? all regions known for regulating emotions.

"We know that people who consistently meditate have a singular ability to cultivate positive emotions, retain emotional stability and engage in mindful behavior," said Eileen Luders, lead author and a postdoctoral research fellow at the UCLA Laboratory of Neuro Imaging. "The observed differences in brain anatomy might give us a clue why meditators have these exceptional abilities."

Research has confirmed the beneficial aspects of meditation. In addition to having better focus and control over their emotions, many people who meditate regularly have reduced levels of stress and bolstered immune systems. But less is known about the link between meditation and brain structure.

In the study, Luders and her colleagues examined 44 people ? 22 control subjects and 22 who had practiced various forms of meditation, including Zazen, Samatha and Vipassana, among others. The amount of time they had practiced ranged from five to 46 years, with an average of 24 years.

More than half of all the meditators said that deep concentration was an essential part of their practice, and most meditated between 10 and 90 minutes every day.

The researchers used a high-resolution, three-dimensional form of MRI and two different approaches to measure differences in brain structure. One approach automatically divides the brain into several regions of interest, allowing researchers to compare the size of certain brain structures. The other segments the brain into different tissue types, allowing researchers to compare the amount of gray matter within specific regions of the brain.

The researchers found significantly larger cerebral measurements in meditators compared with controls, including larger volumes of the right hippocampus and increased gray matter in the right orbito-frontal cortex, the right thalamus and the left inferior temporal lobe. There were no regions where controls had significantly larger volumes or more gray matter than meditators.

Because these areas of the brain are closely linked to emotion, Luders said, "these might be the neuronal underpinnings that give meditators' the outstanding ability to regulate their emotions and allow for well-adjusted responses to whatever life throws their way."

What's not known, she said, and will require further study, are what the specific correlates are on a microscopic level ? that is, whether it's an increased number of neurons, the larger size of the neurons or a particular "wiring" pattern meditators may develop that other people don't.

Because this was not a longitudinal study ? which would have tracked meditators from the time they began meditating onward ? it's possible that the meditators already had more regional gray matter and volume in specific areas; that may have attracted them to meditation in the first place, Luders said.

However, she also noted that numerous previous studies have pointed to the brain's remarkable plasticity and how environmental enrichment has been shown to change brain structure.
http://www.physorg.com/news161355537.html
Source: University of California - Los Angeles
 

Martin

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Well, this shouldn't be too surprising given that meditation is a kind of workout for your brain.
 

Babbles

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I believe this has been known for years - I haven't read the UCLA article so I don't know if it is "new" or not. There is a guy over at Wisconsin that has been using fMRI for a long while studying various practitioners.

There is a fascinating, albeit heavy, book called "Zen and the Brain" written by a neurologist medical doctor - as well as a Buddhist - who goes into a lot of the biochemical stuff of what's going on. That book was written probably a good six or so years ago.
 

Amused

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Now wait a minute...

Are people with these abnormal brains more likely to meditate, or does the mediation cause the abnormalities?

I love how one conclusion is assumed over the other with no proof whatsoever.
 

MichaelD

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/caveman bob steps in

Meditate THIS, OK? Allright? Seriously....meditate THIS, homeboy, OK? Fuckin'A...meditate my ass....................this isn't yoga class....WTF? I mean...really....meditation...

Meditation is for people who can't think in real time. Really.
 

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
What exactly is it that you do when you meditate anyway?

You try to empty you're mind of all thought and focus all your attention on a mundane task, like breathing. If you sit down for like 10 minutes a day and try and inhale and exhale for equal amounts of time and not think about anything else, you'll feel better in general. I'm hella down with meditation. ;)
 

Crono

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
What exactly is it that you do when you meditate anyway?

You can either meditate on nothing (well, supposedly your breathing or whatever) or you can meditate (essentially calm and undistracted focusing) on something. I meditate on Bible, textbooks for classes, and on projects I am working on. Do they count that or just yoga type stuff?
 

MichaelD

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Breathing is an involuntary response. Your body will do it even if you're unconscious. So IMO, "focusing the Lotus Postion" or whatever the lame yoga-speak is, on "breathing" is totally bogus.

It's like saying "Yes; focus the brain on changing the Dow Jones Average. Your thoughts WILL influence it!!" Oh...NOTTTTT! :roll:
 
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SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: ccblazer44
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
What exactly is it that you do when you meditate anyway?

You try to empty you're mind of all thought and focus all your attention on a mundane task, like breathing. If you sit down for like 10 minutes a day and try and inhale and exhale for equal amounts of time and not think about anything else, you'll feel better in general. I'm hella down with meditation. ;)

Am I meditating when I'm taking deep breaths to avoid a panic attack when I see my wireless bill?
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: Amused
Now wait a minute...

Are people with these abnormal brains more likely to meditate, or does the mediation cause the abnormalities?

I love how one conclusion is assumed over the other with no proof whatsoever.

Your unawareness of the study details should not be construed as the studies being faulted. Hell the OP alone said they used 22 control subjects - did you bother to read the OP?

Lots of PhDs and MDs have been doing this work for years - Google up Dr. Jon Kabat-Zinn, Dr. Richard Davidson, and Dr. James Austin. There are many others, but those may be some of the "bigger" researchers in this field.

To parrot things back, I love how you make a poor assumption without knowing any of the information whatsoever.
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
Originally posted by: ccblazer44
Originally posted by: SlitheryDee
What exactly is it that you do when you meditate anyway?

You try to empty you're mind of all thought and focus all your attention on a mundane task, like breathing. If you sit down for like 10 minutes a day and try and inhale and exhale for equal amounts of time and not think about anything else, you'll feel better in general. I'm hella down with meditation. ;)

Am I meditating when I'm taking deep breaths to avoid a panic attack when I see my wireless bill?

Sure, why not??

Thich Nhat Hanh says you are meditating when you take a shit!

 

dr150

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Meditation is all about FOCUS.

Since excessive masturbation is all about focus, ATOTers must have abnormally large gray matter. :Q
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Amused
Now wait a minute...

Are people with these abnormal brains more likely to meditate, or does the mediation cause the abnormalities?

I love how one conclusion is assumed over the other with no proof whatsoever.

Your unawareness of the study details should not be construed as the studies being faulted. Hell the OP alone said they used 22 control subjects - did you bother to read the OP?

Lots of PhDs and MDs have been doing this work for years - Google up Dr. Jon Kabat-Zinn, Dr. Richard Davidson, and Dr. James Austin. There are many others, but those may be some of the "bigger" researchers in this field.

To parrot things back, I love how you make a poor assumption without knowing any of the information whatsoever.

Hey, dumbass,

The study did NOT witness the change in the brain over time. Only that the 22 meditators had an abnormal brain compared to the 22 control subjects.

I CAN read and I CAN comprehend what I am reading. This study in NO way proves causation, only a correlation.

And that was my point all along: Does the difference in their brains cause people to meditate, or does the mediation cause the difference in the brains?
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Amused
Now wait a minute...

Are people with these abnormal brains more likely to meditate, or does the mediation cause the abnormalities?

I love how one conclusion is assumed over the other with no proof whatsoever.

Your unawareness of the study details should not be construed as the studies being faulted. Hell the OP alone said they used 22 control subjects - did you bother to read the OP?

Lots of PhDs and MDs have been doing this work for years - Google up Dr. Jon Kabat-Zinn, Dr. Richard Davidson, and Dr. James Austin. There are many others, but those may be some of the "bigger" researchers in this field.

To parrot things back, I love how you make a poor assumption without knowing any of the information whatsoever.

Hey, dumbass,

The study did NOT witness the change in the brain over time. Only that the 22 meditators had an abnormal brain compared to the 22 control subjects.

I CAN read and I CAN comprehend what I am reading. This study in NO way proves causation, only a correlation.

And that was my point all along: Does the difference in their brains cause people to meditate, or does the mediation cause the difference in the brains?

Again, studies have previously been conducted that has provided evidence that meditation does alter the brain. I have gone so far as to provide you names on which you can look into it yourself. I believe the guy at Wisconsin did a good study using volunteers who had no previous meditation experience, then introduced them to a practice and monitored changes in the brain over the course of time - as such, change was witnessed over time.

You previously made a baseless assumption about the conclusion of these researchers without knowing the background information yourself. The audacity of this behaviour is a bit mind-boggling. If you don't want to do the background reading then that's your choice, but do not dismiss these studies due to your lack of comprehension.

You can call me names all you want, but so far I think it has done nothing but to reinforce the perception of your ignorance on this particular topic.
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: ccblazer44
That correlation implies causation is a really common fallacy.

I have personally come to the opinion that those who throw around the "It's correlation not causation" mantra are typically quite ignorant themselves; they think they are playing some clever trump card but fundamentally don't understand things themselves. As scientists we typically would never make a totally concrete statement that, beyond a doubt, that X causes Y. Practically speaking that is almost never true. Fundamentally speaking all we ever have are correlations, however we have correlations that are "more true" than other correlations. Hence the entire study of statistics.
 

Modelworks

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Was watching the show 'superhuman' on I think discovery.
They found a guy called the ice man.
He can sit in a bath of ice and water with nothing on but shorts and maintain his body temperature at 98.6F for over 20 minutes, with no increase in heart rate or blood pressure, using mental training.
The doctor doing the test was dumbfounded, he said anyone else would have gone into cardiac arrest. When the guy got out of the water, within 10 minutes, he was completely normal with no after effects.
He is pretty amazing !
http://www.newscientist.com/ar...ts-of-the-ice-man.html
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: Amused
Now wait a minute...

Are people with these abnormal brains more likely to meditate, or does the mediation cause the abnormalities?

I love how one conclusion is assumed over the other with no proof whatsoever.

Your unawareness of the study details should not be construed as the studies being faulted. Hell the OP alone said they used 22 control subjects - did you bother to read the OP?

Lots of PhDs and MDs have been doing this work for years - Google up Dr. Jon Kabat-Zinn, Dr. Richard Davidson, and Dr. James Austin. There are many others, but those may be some of the "bigger" researchers in this field.

To parrot things back, I love how you make a poor assumption without knowing any of the information whatsoever.

Hey, dumbass,

The study did NOT witness the change in the brain over time. Only that the 22 meditators had an abnormal brain compared to the 22 control subjects.

I CAN read and I CAN comprehend what I am reading. This study in NO way proves causation, only a correlation.

And that was my point all along: Does the difference in their brains cause people to meditate, or does the mediation cause the difference in the brains?

Again, studies have previously been conducted that has provided evidence that meditation does alter the brain. I have gone so far as to provide you names on which you can look into it yourself. I believe the guy at Wisconsin did a good study using volunteers who had no previous meditation experience, then introduced them to a practice and monitored changes in the brain over the course of time - as such, change was witnessed over time.

You previously made a baseless assumption about the conclusion of these researchers without knowing the background information yourself. The audacity of this behaviour is a bit mind-boggling. If you don't want to do the background reading then that's your choice, but do not dismiss these studies due to your lack of comprehension.

You can call me names all you want, but so far I think it has done nothing but to reinforce the perception of your ignorance on this particular topic.

And I was speaking of this study alone.

This study proves only a correlation. It does not prove that the meditation causes the changes, only that the abnormalities are present in those who meditate.

THAT was my point. THIS study only. If other studies have witnessed the change, then fine. But THIS study did NOT and only begs the question: Does the meditation cause the abnormalities, or did the abnormalities cause the meditation.

Period.

To claim that I misread THIS study as you have claimed is ABSURD. I did no such thing.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: ccblazer44
That correlation implies causation is a really common fallacy.

I have personally come to the opinion that those who throw around the "It's correlation not causation" mantra are typically quite ignorant themselves; they think they are playing some clever trump card but fundamentally don't understand things themselves. As scientists we typically would never make a totally concrete statement that, beyond a doubt, that X causes Y. Practically speaking that is almost never true. Fundamentally speaking all we ever have are correlations, however we have correlations that are "more true" than other correlations. Hence the entire study of statistics.

Fine.

The rise in popularity of Rap music directly correlates with the rise in obesity rates in the United States.
 

PaperclipGod

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Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: ccblazer44
That correlation implies causation is a really common fallacy.

I have personally come to the opinion that those who throw around the "It's correlation not causation" mantra are typically quite ignorant themselves; they think they are playing some clever trump card but fundamentally don't understand things themselves. As scientists we typically would never make a totally concrete statement that, beyond a doubt, that X causes Y. Practically speaking that is almost never true. Fundamentally speaking all we ever have are correlations, however we have correlations that are "more true" than other correlations. Hence the entire study of statistics.

You're a scientist...?
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: Babbles
Originally posted by: ccblazer44
That correlation implies causation is a really common fallacy.

I have personally come to the opinion that those who throw around the "It's correlation not causation" mantra are typically quite ignorant themselves; they think they are playing some clever trump card but fundamentally don't understand things themselves. As scientists we typically would never make a totally concrete statement that, beyond a doubt, that X causes Y. Practically speaking that is almost never true. Fundamentally speaking all we ever have are correlations, however we have correlations that are "more true" than other correlations. Hence the entire study of statistics.

Fine.

The rise in popularity of Rap music directly correlates with the rise in obesity rates in the United States.
Obviously. Big booty, anyone?
 

Madwand1

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Debating whether or not meditation increases brain size is pretty much missing the point. Meditation can undoubtedly give personal benefit, but it's personal, so the range of effects depends greatly on the individual as well as the nature of the meditation. Many ATOT members, as evidenced by their apparent range of interests, would be unable to sustain or enjoy meditation, and so are unqualified to contribute to the discussion beyond their own lack. Meditation is not for everyone, just as deep thinking is not for everyone. Whether or not it's for you and of benefit for you is something for you to explore, or not.