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Medical Insurance question

Tifababy

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Long story but cliffs near bottom.

On September 28, 2005 my father-in-law suffered a sever brain hemorrhage. He was attending a business convention in Cleveland and was found passed out in the bathroom. He appeared to be sleeping but they could not wake him up so they called an ambulance. He was in a coma for almost 2 months. Midway through November he was able to follow simple commands such as squeezing your hand or giving you a thumbs up.

The week before thanksgiving he was transfered from Cleveland back home to a nursing home in the Chicago suburbs. 48 hours later he had a high fever and was transfered to the intensive care unit at the hospital. During his stay at the hospital they discovered that his kidneys were shutting down. He's been on dialysis ever since.

A few weeks later he was transfered back to the nursing home where he was slowling improving. Over Christmas he was able to have conversations and he recognized everyone in the family. He was able to recite elements from the periodic table (he's a chemical engineer) and could give us square roots of all the numbers we could think of. They even gave him a swallowing test to see if he was able to begin eating solid foods instead of the tube feeding he's been on since September. He passed the test and was allowed to eat foods with a honey like substance (thick soups, yogurt, mashed potatoes, etc).

With this good news, my wife decided to go back to work, she had been off for 2 months to help out her mom thanks to the family medical leave act. She was able to still talk to her dad on the phone everyday and he would be able to hold a full conversation and always ended with "I love you sweetheart."

Over the past few weeks he begin to talk less and recently the conversation has been completely one sided. We were able to visit last weekend and when we got there the nurse said that he wasn't doing well and she did not see him recovering. My mother-in-law never indicated that it was as bad as the nurse said it was. So yesterday (2/7) I got a call from my wife and my mother-in-law had told her that Aetna was no longer going to cover her dad as of 2/9 (tomorrow) because he has not shown any progress in the last month.

While he hasn't shown much progress (perhaps backwards progress), the doctors in Cleveland told us that we should wait atleast a year for the brain to heal before we make any harsh decisions. Starting tomorrow we'll have to pay for the nursing home out of pocket which is $7000/month. My mother-in-law is ready to give up since Aetna is giving up, but my wife and I aren't ready to give up yet. We'll pay for the first couple months, but after that we'll probably run out of money.

Are there any alternatives for medical insurance? The state sponsered ones seem to require that you have less than $10,000 in posessions to qualify. My in-laws have a house worth close to $500,000, so they'll never qualify.

My father-in-law's insurance says that they will pay for 120 days in a nursing home, but nwo they're backing out and only paying for approximately 50 because they said he's not improving.

My mother-in-law was told that she can appeal the decision to stop coverage, but we're not sure how that will go.

In the meantime, I think we just need to keep praying for a miracle. He was only 58 when the stroke occurred. The cause of the stroke was high blood pressure, so make sure to have yours checked!

Cliffs:
1. Father-in-law had stroke in September
2. Showed good signs of improvement
3. Health started to decline beginning in January
4. Insurance is going to stop coverage 2/9.
5. Nursing home costs $7000/mo out-of-pocket
 
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If the doctors say it's too soon to tell if he's going to recover, why is insurance allowed to pull the plug?
 
your mother in law will either need to use their assets (sell the house, etc) or contact a lawyer specializing in asset retention when getting onto medicade/medicare
 
appeal the decision and file a complaint with the state to see if they will help. That should be first. Also read his policy line by line to see what else you can do.
 
Originally posted by: acemcmac
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If the doctors say it's too soon to tell if he's going to recover, why is insurance allowed to pull the plug?

The problem is that the doctors in Cleveland (who were very nice and informative) were the ones that told us to wait a year. His primary care doctor in Chicago is a "witch." She was ready to give up before she started caring for him. The only doctor in Chicago which believes in him recovering is his kidney doctor, but it's his primary care doctor who makes the decisions. I'm not sure, but I'm betting the primary care doctor is the one who told insurance that there hasn't been any improvement.
 
They can drop you in a heartbeat...Insurance companies have no loyalties or morals the bottom line is profit.


Ausm
 
Just one comment. I don't think that the value of your house enters into calculating you worth. You might look into this.
 
Contact your local news stations and such if you want them to investigate it. Otherwise each state normally has a Medical Insurance Review Board and you shoudl contact them immediately to find out what's going on.

And if nothing else, cal an attorney that might specialize in medical cases to see what they say.
 
Originally posted by: jadinolf
Just one comment. I don't think that the value of your house enters into calculating you worth. You might look into this.

The social worker my mother-in-law spoke with said you needed less than $10,000 in posessions. We assumed home and cars would be included. We'll have to double check though.
 
I'd contact a lawyer.

BTW why is the nursing home so expensive? My grandmother had to stay in a nursing home for 10 years because of a stroke which left her right side paralyzed and kept her bedridden and we didn't pay $84000/year. And we paid out of pocket.
 
there are limits to insurance, your parents should have considered increasing their benefits of insurance as they got older. I think that the house would be safe from medical expenses and its not like the nursing home will put them out on the street.They might find someplace cheaper. Get a second opinion and fire the primary caregiver. They probably have this policy to force people to get on medicare and save them money.
 
Originally posted by: dabuddha
I'd contact a lawyer.

BTW why is the nursing home so expensive? My grandmother had to stay in a nursing home for 10 years because of a stroke which left her right side paralyzed and kept her bedridden and we didn't pay $84000/year. And we paid out of pocket.

I think the nursing home might be this expensive because he is still having dialysis 3 times per week. I was surprised when I heard the cost at first too.

Originally posted by: xrax
there are limits to insurance, your parents should have considered increasing their benefits of insurance as they got older. I think that the house would be safe from medical expenses and its not like the nursing home will put them out on the street.They might find someplace cheaper. Get a second opinion and fire the primary caregiver. They probably have this policy to force people to get on medicare and save them money.

He's nowhere near his limits. He's only used about $250,000 out of his $1,500,000 lifetime policy. He's used about 50 of his 120 days in the nursing home. He was only 58 when this happened, he's 59 now, he was in perfect health up until this happened (well, not perfect, he had high blood pressure "the silent killer").
 
Have they missed a payment? I know somebody that lost the health insurance in the middle of a cancer battle because they forgot to make a payment.
 
Originally posted by: DeadByDawn
Have they missed a payment? I know somebody that lost the health insurance in the middle of a cancer battle because they forgot to make a payment.

He took early retirement a few years ago and started his own business. So his insurance has been paid by his previous employer for years, so he has no late payments.
 
Originally posted by: Fingolfin269
Insurance companies can do whatever they want until you 'complain' and take them to court.

I'm just worried that if we get lawyers involved, it'll cost as much as just paying for the nursing home out of pocket.
 
Do you have a policy manual? I would think it would have details on what their policy is. Is he old enough for fed programs?
 
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