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HumblePie

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So was John Solomon the fair or balanced reporter.


Leftist insiders from the Hill giving a "scoop" to a far left rag like the Daily Beast that they didn't like him and though Solomon was right leaning in his reporting. Of course he is right leaning as he is going after articles right now that are against the current main stream media narrative. Doing that automatically makes you right leaning in the current media world. His time at The Hill was as an opinion writer which his articles. The main issue is that in his pieces he refuses to give up his sources right now and that makes many on the left upset. They claim because he isn't revealing sources they aren't accurate. Maybe that is true and maybe he needs them as sources for other things for a bit longer. Don't know. Without his sources revealed, many of his claims in his articles have basically become he said/she said back and forth. I agree it doesn't look good for his claims in his articles, but with claims has highly profiled as he made them I think eventually we'll all find out the truth. Since he has come out with his hard evidence in some of his claims yet, that doesn't mean he doesn't have it nor does it mean he does.

Still, The Hill hires both sides of the spectrum and when you get people from both sides there is going to be a little bit of office backbiting and bickering I bet. Not surprised people are willing to talk crap about him after he left the company. That shit happens.
 

HomerJS

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Newsweek is definitely left of center, at least in the current climate. I'm not sure I'd call it far left, but it rags on Trump frequently.
Like someone else pointed out ragged on Trump because of something he did is not ideological it's because Trump is a fuck up.
 

HurleyBird

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Agreed.. universal education and healthcare ridiculed by CNN & MSNBC.

If anything they are center right.

They're whatever the Democratic establishment needs them to be.

Speaking of, I think that this particular example you brought up has created a major weakness that Trump can potentially, but probably won't, exploit.

Specifically, a month or two before the election, or just before an important debate, if Trump announces universal healthcare (and/or free college and/or some form UBI), he'll back Biden into a corner and probably win in a landslide. I wouldn't bet on such a move, but it's possible that Trump cares more about being elected than being a consistent conservative.

Instead of coming out against these programs, the Democratic establishment should have just kept mum about it. If I had to guess, it's that they're courting "never Trumpers," but it comes at the expense of disillusioning the base. The idea is that the base hates Trump so much that no matter how much they're betrayed they'll still vote blue in droves. They're probably right, but I think that fails in the event Trump does a 180 and "out-lefts" Biden.

That said, for liberals a prize like universal healthcare might go some way towards tempering a second Trump term. Is that a trade off that you would make?
 
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eelw

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Lol him flipping left won’t get him new voters. But stupid Trumpards would switch to Dem just to support their orange baby leader.
 

HurleyBird

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Lol him flipping left won’t get him new voters. But stupid Trumpards would switch to Dem just to support their orange baby leader.

I think something like universal healthcare wins him the rust belt, and massively depresses turnout from progressives who are already disillusioned with the Democratic establishment.
 
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Lifer
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At least it implicitly admits that 'centrist' is itself a form of bias. It's not some compromise between left and right, it's it's own specific position, concerned with the interests of a particular group.

Also The Economist most certainly does not 'lean left'. And MSNBC does not belong in the same column as Jacobin (one of the few US publications I am familiar with that I would say was genuinely 'left')

The whole chart is fatuous, I think. Not only becuase it is itself biased to the right, but because it misrepresents these things as lying on some simple left-right spectrum. A publication like Time, for example, is conservative, but in a distinctly bland and follow-the-pack kind of way, that can sometimes be indistinguishable from 'liberal'.

The Guardian is centrist liberal in it's overall position - it _hated_ Corbyn and specifically endorsed the Liberal Democrats (hardly left!) - but because it's "liberal" it feels obliged to give space to a range of opinions including some actual leftists - featuring a range of views is a 'liberal' thing.
 

hal2kilo

Lifer
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I think something like universal healthcare wins him the rust belt, and massively depresses turnout from progressives who are already disillusioned with the Democratic establishment.
Projected disillusionment by those concerned.
 

Commodus

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Leftist insiders from the Hill giving a "scoop" to a far left rag like the Daily Beast that they didn't like him and though Solomon was right leaning in his reporting. Of course he is right leaning as he is going after articles right now that are against the current main stream media narrative. Doing that automatically makes you right leaning in the current media world. His time at The Hill was as an opinion writer which his articles. The main issue is that in his pieces he refuses to give up his sources right now and that makes many on the left upset. They claim because he isn't revealing sources they aren't accurate. Maybe that is true and maybe he needs them as sources for other things for a bit longer. Don't know. Without his sources revealed, many of his claims in his articles have basically become he said/she said back and forth. I agree it doesn't look good for his claims in his articles, but with claims has highly profiled as he made them I think eventually we'll all find out the truth. Since he has come out with his hard evidence in some of his claims yet, that doesn't mean he doesn't have it nor does it mean he does.

Still, The Hill hires both sides of the spectrum and when you get people from both sides there is going to be a little bit of office backbiting and bickering I bet. Not surprised people are willing to talk crap about him after he left the company. That shit happens.

I still get a kick out of how hardline conservatives claim that the Daily Beast is a "far left" publication and discuss "leftists" like anyone left of center is part of some concerted plot to destroy the country.

Let's be clear: Daily Beast is unambiguously left-leaning, and you shouldn't read what it writes without taking that into account and looking at sources. But far left? You have no idea what far left is. The far left includes actual communists, absolute socialists, and certain kinds of anarchists. It doesn't include democratic socialists, the left-of-center mainstream, or just people who are tired of a corrupt and ignorant businessman running the US into the ground.

However, you can argue that some of the outlets at the very edge of the right wing on that graphic can be defined as far-right. After all, they frequently endorse racism, homophobia and xenophobia (sometimes very explicitly) and willingly turn a blind eye to anti-democratic behavior. Trump is actually trying to undermine democracy, and the Fox op-eds, Breitbarts and Daily Callers of the world are cheering him on.
 

brycejones

Lifer
Oct 18, 2005
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When the John Birch Society is your definition of center everything looks like a leftist attack on America.
 

HumblePie

Lifer
Oct 30, 2000
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I still get a kick out of how hardline conservatives claim that the Daily Beast is a "far left" publication and discuss "leftists" like anyone left of center is part of some concerted plot to destroy the country.

Let's be clear: Daily Beast is unambiguously left-leaning, and you shouldn't read what it writes without taking that into account and looking at sources. But far left? You have no idea what far left is. The far left includes actual communists, absolute socialists, and certain kinds of anarchists. It doesn't include democratic socialists, the left-of-center mainstream, or just people who are tired of a corrupt and ignorant businessman running the US into the ground.

However, you can argue that some of the outlets at the very edge of the right wing on that graphic can be defined as far-right. After all, they frequently endorse racism, homophobia and xenophobia (sometimes very explicitly) and willingly turn a blind eye to anti-democratic behavior. Trump is actually trying to undermine democracy, and the Fox op-eds, Breitbarts and Daily Callers of the world are cheering him on.

The Daily Beast puts out hard left stance articles on basic Constitutional things like the 1st and 2nd amendment as examples. I consider those far left ideas as those are the same ideas that lead to communism and socialism. Even the left leaning site, mediabiasfactcheck, that tries to rate sites on bias lists them on the far left side of the spectrum. They aren't extremists, but they are a leftist rag none the less.


That isn't to say they can't put forth good info from time to time, but info being consumed from them needs to be understood that even in their more fact driven articles they push a narrative for the left side through those articles. The Solomon hit piece is a example of a leftist virtue signalling article. They have those as well as good info articles. I read various outlets and don't just denounce an article just because a source is one side of the political spectrum.

What I find hilarious though is the fact that since many posters here are so far left, they just categorize me as right wing. I have right wing friends and family members. Most of them call me a progressive liberal leftist nut. I'm atheist, I believe in pro-choice, I believe in good government regulation, I believe in a ton of "leftist" things and when I have conversations with people on the right they think I am a leftist. I come on here and see all the actually huge leftist posts and if I post anything that isn't lock step inline with the majority of posters here I am labeled a white supremacist right wing nut. Although I prefer cashew.

Point is I am very centrist. My stance on things are from both sides of the spectrum depending on the issue. When it comes to news I realize that all articles are written by people and people have bias. There is no completely unbiased news source, so it is about knowing how to read and filter the bias when reading your news.
 
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SmCaudata

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The problem with a chart like this, is what does it mean to be neutral? Does that mean equal representation for climate deniers?

What meters more than bias is accuracy. The second link in the OP is more meaningful to me. Even that though is problematic because I wouldn't say Fox is reliable for news given that they regularly alter things or flat out lie.
 

Jhhnn

IN MEMORIAM
Nov 11, 1999
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The problem with a chart like this, is what does it mean to be neutral? Does that mean equal representation for climate deniers?

What meters more than bias is accuracy. The second link in the OP is more meaningful to me. Even that though is problematic because I wouldn't say Fox is reliable for news given that they regularly alter things or flat out lie.

Once you understand that reality has a well known liberal bias it'll all kinda click into place. Truthiness, OTOH, rules conservative headsets. Take a look at the pandemic situation if you don't believe me. Trump still has 'em out in the weeds.
 

SmCaudata

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Once you understand that reality has a well known liberal bias it'll all kinda click into place. Truthiness, OTOH, rules conservative headsets. Take a look at the pandemic situation if you don't believe me. Trump still has 'em out in the weeds.
Oh I know. The NYT had a really good article on science having a liberal bias.

My Trump supporting Bible thumping relatives are anti education. My aunt cried when her daughter went to college because she thought it would turn her into a liberal.

I've always claimed that if you need tsuch. Or suppress the truth to get peole to support you, your views suck.
 

MagnusTheBrewer

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Jun 19, 2004
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They're whatever the Democratic establishment needs them to be.

Speaking of, I think that this particular example you brought up has created a major weakness that Trump can potentially, but probably won't, exploit.

Specifically, a month or two before the election, or just before an important debate, if Trump announces universal healthcare (and/or free college and/or some form UBI), he'll back Biden into a corner and probably win in a landslide. I wouldn't bet on such a move, but it's possible that Trump cares more about being elected than being a consistent conservative.

Instead of coming out against these programs, the Democratic establishment should have just kept mum about it. If I had to guess, it's that they're courting "never Trumpers," but it comes at the expense of disillusioning the base. The idea is that the base hates Trump so much that no matter how much they're betrayed they'll still vote blue in droves. They're probably right, but I think that fails in the event Trump does a 180 and "out-lefts" Biden.

That said, for liberals a prize like universal healthcare might go some way towards tempering a second Trump term. Is that a trade off that you would make?
Not if the Trump administration was in charge of it.
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
Jul 13, 2005
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I am really saddened!! I expected FOX to be in the very center! i thought they built their reputation on being fair and compassionate!! I am really depressed! Just WoW!! What has FOX turned into.....
 
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JEDIYoda

Lifer
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Trump and Fox News has seriously clouded his judgement.

I would love to see a misinformation chart. Like when Fox News online cropped out Trump's image from an Epstein picture.
and then they claimed it was a mistake......sad
 

JEDIYoda

Lifer
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I think something like universal healthcare wins him the rust belt, and massively depresses turnout from progressives who are already disillusioned with the Democratic establishment.
Never happen!! Not with trump......that is funny -- Universal health cARE!!
 

ivwshane

Lifer
May 15, 2000
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It’s cute when bubble dwellers don’t even realize the bubble they are in.

It’s pretty easy to spot because they post links to scientifically sounding studies that aren’t actually backed by science and their cites are ran by people who don’t have any education in a related field.
 

Meghan54

Lifer
Oct 18, 2009
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I think something like universal healthcare wins him the rust belt, and massively depresses turnout from progressives who are already disillusioned with the Democratic establishment.

“We’re signing a health-care plan within two weeks, a full and complete health-care plan,” Trump pledged in a July 19 interview with “Fox News Sunday” anchor Chris Wallace.



So, where is it? Trump's promised that same exact bullshit for 3.5 years, including 2 years with a Republican controlled Congress, and yet, here we are.....with only empty bullshit promises from Trump.

But I guess there are those so stupid and gullible that they actually believe that THIS time Trump will actually deliver on what he promises, right HurleyBird? Trump only has to dangle that bait in front of you and you salivate. And he does it over and over and over, all the while not doing a damned thing except play golf.
 
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Commodus

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The Daily Beast puts out hard left stance articles on basic Constitutional things like the 1st and 2nd amendment as examples. I consider those far left ideas as those are the same ideas that lead to communism and socialism. Even the left leaning site, mediabiasfactcheck, that tries to rate sites on bias lists them on the far left side of the spectrum. They aren't extremists, but they are a leftist rag none the less.


That isn't to say they can't put forth good info from time to time, but info being consumed from them needs to be understood that even in their more fact driven articles they push a narrative for the left side through those articles. The Solomon hit piece is a example of a leftist virtue signalling article. They have those as well as good info articles. I read various outlets and don't just denounce an article just because a source is one side of the political spectrum.

What I find hilarious though is the fact that since many posters here are so far left, they just categorize me as right wing. I have right wing friends and family members. Most of them call me a progressive liberal leftist nut. I'm atheist, I believe in pro-choice, I believe in good government regulation, I believe in a ton of "leftist" things and when I have conversations with people on the right they think I am a leftist. I come on here and see all the actually huge leftist posts and if I post anything that isn't lock step inline with the majority of posters here I am labeled a white supremacist right wing nut. Although I prefer cashew.

Point is I am very centrist. My stance on things are from both sides of the spectrum depending on the issue. When it comes to news I realize that all articles are written by people and people have bias. There is no completely unbiased news source, so it is about knowing how to read and filter the bias when reading your news.

The extra nuance is appreciated, although it still seems like your perspective of "far left" is off. I don't see how people here are far left, since the concepts aren't actually that radical. The idea that your ability to get essential healthcare and survive shouldn't be tied to your wealth? That's not far left. The notion that you should limit access to semi-auto rifles primarily designed to kill a lot of humans quickly? Still not far left. And the concept that you should limit the scope of the police and hold them accountable so that they aren't murdering unarmed black people or kidnapping peaceful protesters? Definitely not far left.

Keep in mind that your perspective might be skewed by the American bubble. Much of the world sees the US as oddly conservative -- ideas that are considered perfectly sensible in Europe, Canada, and many other places, even by politically conservative parties, are thought of as "far left" in the US. And no, it's not that the US is uniquely enlightened... if anything, the US is messed up in key areas (such as healthcare, guns, the environment, police) and refuses to see it because it's still convinced it's the best at everything.

I'm aware that it's difficult to completely avoid bias in news... but when you've tricked yourself into thinking that loads of generally neutral sites are "far left," that suggests you need to readjust your political compass.
 

fskimospy

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They're whatever the Democratic establishment needs them to be.

Speaking of, I think that this particular example you brought up has created a major weakness that Trump can potentially, but probably won't, exploit.

Specifically, a month or two before the election, or just before an important debate, if Trump announces universal healthcare (and/or free college and/or some form UBI), he'll back Biden into a corner and probably win in a landslide. I wouldn't bet on such a move, but it's possible that Trump cares more about being elected than being a consistent conservative.

Instead of coming out against these programs, the Democratic establishment should have just kept mum about it. If I had to guess, it's that they're courting "never Trumpers," but it comes at the expense of disillusioning the base. The idea is that the base hates Trump so much that no matter how much they're betrayed they'll still vote blue in droves. They're probably right, but I think that fails in the event Trump does a 180 and "out-lefts" Biden.

That said, for liberals a prize like universal healthcare might go some way towards tempering a second Trump term. Is that a trade off that you would make?
This is a fantasy. As others mentioned Trump effectively already did this by pledging a new and great health care plan. It didn’t move the needle one iota.

There is effectively zero chance of Trump winning in a landslide outside of some black swan event like a war or an alien invasion or whatever. Trump might still win, but if he does it will likely be while losing the popular vote and squeaking by in the EC.

I don’t know where you got this from, but the idea that by announcing a new health care measure that nobody believes he would implement Trump would cause a 10+ point swing in the polls to achieve a landslide when his approval rating barely budges a point or two regardless of what happens is insane.
 

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Lifer
May 30, 2008
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They're whatever the Democratic establishment needs them to be.

Speaking of, I think that this particular example you brought up has created a major weakness that Trump can potentially, but probably won't, exploit.

Specifically, a month or two before the election, or just before an important debate, if Trump announces universal healthcare (and/or free college and/or some form UBI), he'll back Biden into a corner and probably win in a landslide. I wouldn't bet on such a move, but it's possible that Trump cares more about being elected than being a consistent conservative.

Instead of coming out against these programs, the Democratic establishment should have just kept mum about it. If I had to guess, it's that they're courting "never Trumpers," but it comes at the expense of disillusioning the base. The idea is that the base hates Trump so much that no matter how much they're betrayed they'll still vote blue in droves. They're probably right, but I think that fails in the event Trump does a 180 and "out-lefts" Biden.

That said, for liberals a prize like universal healthcare might go some way towards tempering a second Trump term. Is that a trade off that you would make?


Trump could 'announce' all kinds of things, but there is simply no way in hell he would ever deliver universal healthcare. He's far too committed to the (white) plutocrat class to which he belongs. There's also the fact that it, like most redistributive policies, would be seen by the racist part of the electorate (and probably by Trump himself) as giving something free to black people.

What you say about Trump being more concerned with being elected is not true - he has his political affiliations, that are clearly deeply-rooted in his very identity (probably his racism above everything else). I'd say it _was_ potentially true of Boris Johnson - he does indeed seem to be more concerned with his own political career success than with consistent ideology, which makes him flexible and thus all the more politically effective. That does not seem to be the case for Trump.
 
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Lifer
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The only area in which Trump departs from traditional racist-plutocrat conservatism is foreign-policy. And not in a good way.
 

brycejones

Lifer
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This is a fantasy. As others mentioned Trump effectively already did this by pledging a new and great health care plan. It didn’t move the needle one iota.

There is effectively zero chance of Trump winning in a landslide outside of some black swan event like a war or an alien invasion or whatever. Trump might still win, but if he does it will likely be while losing the popular vote and squeaking by in the EC.

I don’t know where you got this from, but the idea that by announcing a new health care measure that nobody believes he would implement Trump would cause a 10+ point swing in the polls to achieve a landslide when his approval rating barely budges a point or two regardless of what happens is insane.

He has been promising a great healthcare plan for 4 years now "soon". No one besides the hard core Trumptards believe anything he says at this point.