Meat eaters should pay higher insurance....

mooseracing

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http://www.wptz.com/cnn-news/17972139/detail.html

PETA Wants Higher Insurance Premiums For Meat Eaters
Animals Rights Group Approaches Blue Cross Blue Shield
POSTED: 11:04 am EST November 13, 2008
UPDATED: 6:45 pm EST November 13, 2008

VERMONT -- People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals is calling on Blue Cross Blue Shield of Vermont to raise health insurance premiums for people who eat meat, and lower the premiums for vegetarians. PETA Wants Higher Insurance Premiums For Meat Eaters In a letter sent Monday to Bill Milnes Jr., president of Blue Cross Blue Shield Of Vermont, PETA's Executive Director Tracy Reiman urged Blue Cross to raise rates on meat eaters because -- she claims -- heart disease, diabetes and other leading killer diseases have been conclusively linked to the consumption of meat and other animal products.

"Given the latest news about the effects of E. coli on meat-eaters -- and the mountain of evidence linking meat consumption to some of our nation's deadliest diseases -- this change will benefit Blue Cross Blue Shield's bottom line while also helping to ensure that your policyholders don't flat line," Reiman wrote. Reiman went on to point to recent reports of an E. coli outbreak in Vermont. In October a Vermont slaughterhouse recalled a ton of ground beef after 10 cases of E. coli were traced to meat from Vermont Livestock Slaughter & Processing in Ferrisburg. The recall was voluntary. Earlier in the month, three people were diagnosed with E. Coli in Orleans County. Health officials attributed those cases to raw milk as the source. "As you might know, E. Coli grows in the intestines of many farmed animals. Slaughterhouses are filthy places, and when animals are eviscerated, feces often spray in every direction," Reiman wrote. She goes on to claim that vegetarians are less prone to heart disease, certain types of cancer, diabetes and obesity. "By giving your policy holders a financial incentive to go vegetarian -- and penalizing those whose meat-based diets fuel our nation's worst health problems -- Blue Cross Blue Shield could save millions of dollars in the long run," Reiman writes. But it doesn't appear that Blue Cross will be taking PETA's suggestion any time soon. "Under Vermont law, we would not be allowed to vary rates based on the dietary and nutritional habits of various members," said Kevin Goddard, Blue Cross's vice president of external affairs. He did, however, say that Blue Cross is always looking to have the healthiest members possible, but "we have no information one way or the other if vegetarians are more healthy." In September, PETA made headlines in Vermont and across the nation for asking Ben & Jerry's ice cream to use human breast milk in their ice cream, instead of cow milk. "We applaud PETA's novel approach to bringing attention to an issue, but we believe a mother's milk is best used for her child," a representative for Ben & Jerry's said at the time.


I think that whole org should be put in the nut house.

Last ecoli outbreaks were from veggies, Travis Barker's skin graphs weren't taking because he wasn't getting protein from meat, doctors tell him eat meat, all of a sudden the graphs start taking......hmm meat must still be bad.
 

AstroManLuca

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I would say that the lower incidence of heart disease is likely an incidental correlation because vegetarians tend to comprise more affluent, health-conscious people in the first place. If you control your studies to only look at people who make similar lifestyle choices EXCEPT one group eats meat and the other doesn't, I don't think you'd see much of a difference.
 
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PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!

its interesting to see your tolerance carry over from the gay marriage thread

this may be a silly stunt, but their point brings up some other issues about how insurance should or should not be done

should people who smoke be charged higher premiums?

then if we make it more abstract, we say

should people who do unhealthy things be charged higher premiums?


if it can be established that certain diets will result in less health issues (regardless of what that diet is) , should people who adhere to that diet be charged less?

 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!

its interesting to see your tolerance carry over from the gay marriage thread

this may be a silly stunt, but their point brings up some other issues about how insurance should or should not be done

should people who smoke be charged higher premiums?

then if we make it more abstract, we say

should people who do unhealthy things be charged higher premiums?


if it can be established that certain diets will result in less health issues, should people who adhere to that diet be charged less?

Yes. However, PETA's premise is not that - they start with the premise that meat = bad which most certainly isn't the case.
 

JS80

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!

its interesting to see your tolerance carry over from the gay marriage thread

this may be a silly stunt, but their point brings up some other issues about how insurance should or should not be done

should people who smoke be charged higher premiums?

then if we make it more abstract, we say

should people who do unhealthy things be charged higher premiums?


if it can be established that certain diets will result in less health issues, should people who adhere to that diet be charged less?

Yes. However, PETA's premise is not that - they start with the premise that meat = bad which most certainly isn't the case.

Vegetarians should pay higher premiums for being malnourished and having high propensity for lunacy.
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!

its interesting to see your tolerance carry over from the gay marriage thread

this may be a silly stunt, but their point brings up some other issues about how insurance should or should not be done

should people who smoke be charged higher premiums?

then if we make it more abstract, we say

should people who do unhealthy things be charged higher premiums?


if it can be established that certain diets will result in less health issues, should people who adhere to that diet be charged less?

Yes. However, PETA's premise is not that - they start with the premise that meat = bad which most certainly isn't the case.

I do not agree with PETA's stance or tactics, but people eat entirely too much red meat in this country. Don't get me wrong, I love hamburgers, steaks, and everything else that goes with it, but people need to eat much less of it.
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!

its interesting to see your tolerance carry over from the gay marriage thread

this may be a silly stunt, but their point brings up some other issues about how insurance should or should not be done

should people who smoke be charged higher premiums?

then if we make it more abstract, we say

should people who do unhealthy things be charged higher premiums?


if it can be established that certain diets will result in less health issues, should people who adhere to that diet be charged less?

Yes. However, PETA's premise is not that - they start with the premise that meat = bad which most certainly isn't the case.

Vegetarians should pay higher premiums for being malnourished and having high propensity for lunacy.

generally malnourished vegetarians are people who have problems such as anorexia or bulemia and use vegetarianism as a vehicle..

most vegetarians are fine..

 
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Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!

its interesting to see your tolerance carry over from the gay marriage thread

this may be a silly stunt, but their point brings up some other issues about how insurance should or should not be done

should people who smoke be charged higher premiums?

then if we make it more abstract, we say

should people who do unhealthy things be charged higher premiums?


if it can be established that certain diets will result in less health issues (regardless of what that diet is) , should people who adhere to that diet be charged less?

I forgot this was P&N; I should have checked my sarcasm at the door.

But to answer your question, no, we shouldn't calculate risk factors like diet into an estimation of health insurance premiums. Sure, ideally we would be able to, but Michael Phelps eats 10,000 calories a day, which would surely be a red flag on an insurance plan; is anyone going to argue that he's about to keel over from obesity? The problem is that it's not just diet that determines individual health; it's a myriad of interacting factors, including personal metabolism which would be really hard to assess in a generic questionnaire. How specific do we want to get when it comes to doling out insurance?

Smoking is another matter, because there's generally only harm to be done by smoking (as opposed to eating massive amounts of calories, which can be healthy if combined with massive amounts of exercise). But punishing people who eat meat? That's absurd.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yes. However, PETA's premise is not that - they start with the premise that meat = bad which most certainly isn't the case.

I do not agree with PETA's stance or tactics, but people eat entirely too much red meat in this country. Don't get me wrong, I love hamburgers, steaks, and everything else that goes with it, but people need to eat much less of it.

I don't think so. I happen to think that we need more red meat and less starch and preservatives. But what you and I think the country as a whole needs is worthless. It's actually about an individual and their tastes and needs. No one "needs" any specific type of food - they just need a some sort of variety for balance nutritional balance.
 

jonks

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I seem to recall a bunch of people sickening and dying over some bad veggies this year...
 

LumbergTech

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Originally posted by: jonks
I seem to recall a bunch of people sickening and dying over some bad veggies this year...

yea, ive a lot of stories about bad veggies over the years
 

LumbergTech

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this reminds me of why i hate peta, they have a bunch of self important little shitwads behind the scenes who think this type of shit is humorous and i can just see their obnoxious little faces when they are coming up with this crap..

they have hijacked a movement and now when people hear about any animal rights type stuff they just think of these assholes and not more moderate and reasonable people who would like to make more sane changes to the way things are done
 

BeauJangles

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Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: BeauJangles
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Yes. However, PETA's premise is not that - they start with the premise that meat = bad which most certainly isn't the case.

I do not agree with PETA's stance or tactics, but people eat entirely too much red meat in this country. Don't get me wrong, I love hamburgers, steaks, and everything else that goes with it, but people need to eat much less of it.

I don't think so. I happen to think that we need more red meat and less starch and preservatives. But what you and I think the country as a whole needs is worthless. It's actually about an individual and their tastes and needs. No one "needs" any specific type of food - they just need a some sort of variety for balance nutritional balance.

Well, high amounts of red meat consumption has been linked to cancer, but I agree that people need to get back to eating more 'real' food.
 

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I don't agree with them but Isn't it hypocritical to get up in arms against this stance while at the same time saying fat people/smokers/etc should pay higher health insurance?
 
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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: LumbergTech
Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
PETA members should be fed to lions in the Colosseum, and we should broadcast it live around the world. Think of the ratings!

its interesting to see your tolerance carry over from the gay marriage thread

this may be a silly stunt, but their point brings up some other issues about how insurance should or should not be done

should people who smoke be charged higher premiums?

then if we make it more abstract, we say

should people who do unhealthy things be charged higher premiums?


if it can be established that certain diets will result in less health issues, should people who adhere to that diet be charged less?

Yes. However, PETA's premise is not that - they start with the premise that meat = bad which most certainly isn't the case.

Vegetarians should pay higher premiums for being malnourished and having high propensity for lunacy.

No joke. Have you ever seen a PETA person? They look like shit.

You don't need to eat meat! We taught this lion how to eat tofu!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: venkman
I don't agree with them but Isn't it hypocritical to get up in arms against this stance while at the same time saying fat people/smokers/etc should pay higher health insurance?

No, because meat isn't inherently bad for people like they are suggesting.
 

alchemize

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Good friend of mine is a "vegetarian" because eating meat is so unkind to animals. Of course, she only eats pasta, cheese, pizza, corn products, etc. She's incredibly unhealthy.
 

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Originally posted by: venkman
I don't agree with them but Isn't it hypocritical to get up in arms against this stance while at the same time saying fat people/smokers/etc should pay higher health insurance?

Smokers are required to pay more for health insurance by a lot of companies.

Its not the same comparison. Smoking has been proven to cause cancer, which invariably will lead to health care costs. Its also a single characteristic which can be easily checked by the insurance company.

On the other hand, there are so many varying diets that is it impossible to quantify the health risk of a particular diet into health insurance premium costs. I'm sure a person eating a very healthy diet with meat would have a less health care costs than a vegetarian who is not eating very well, if all other factors were the same.

Personally, I think PETA lacks the common sense to see how ridiculous their positions are.
 

SneakyStuff

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:laugh: They should stick to pressuring KFC not Blue Cross Blue Shield.

edit: how can they prove that people do or don't eat meat anyway?
 

boomerang

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These are the same bunch of loonies that wanted Ben & Jerry's to start using human milk instead of cow's milk in their ice cream.

http://www.peta.org/mc/NewsItem.asp?id=11993

A question for those of you who think that smokers should pay more for insurance.

Both my parents smoked when I was growing up. I was exposed to a lot of second hand smoke. I don't smoke myself. Should I pay higher insurance premiums? The potential is there for me to develop health problems in my life due to this exposure. This has the potential to raise your premiums. How should this be dealt with?