Measure 23: Free Universal Health Care in Oregon

[Eli]

If this measure passes, we would become the first state to offer free universal health care.

Free surgery. Free medicines. No more Co-Pay. No more any of that.

Of course, on the other side.. certain taxes would be raised.

What do you think, yay.. or Nay?

Personally, I think it's a great idea.

 

[iamwiz82]

wait til your taxes go through the roof. YOu will be going to canada to escape the high taxes :Q

 

[Occifer]

I think everyone and their mother would be moving here, not just the Californians. Besides, Canada has free health care. Do we want to end up like them??

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

It's already available for the Mexi's in Cornelius, why not everywhere else in Oregon? :|

Sorry, that just really irks me that I have to drive all over hell and back and pay for it when all they have to do is walk a block and get all the healthcare that they want for free -even for the illegals- simply because of their race. :|

nik

 

[narzy]

seems a bit communist to me, expensive, raises taxes, opens oregon to huge abuse, encourages illegal aliens to hord to oregon, drains our already stroglling economy.

sincerly a BAD idea.

Vote no on 23.

Paid for by the Vote no on 23 23 sucks ball committee.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Jesus Christ, Oregon's property tax is already bad enough. BTW, I hope you guys have enjoyed not having sales tax??

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

encourages illegal aliens to hord to oregon

Like that's going to change

nik

 

[Viper GTS]

I think it's an excellent reason to go vote, even if the No box is the only one I punch on the entire ballot.

Viper GTS

 

[Eli]

Well, it would only be for the state of Oregon, not the whole United States, obviously.

That's what the opponents say.. that we would have a sudden influx of sick people. I'm not really so sure though.

Even with the higher taxes, the proponents say that it will actually cost people less in the long run..

I really don't know much about it.. but I think it would be cool.

 

[RossMAN]

If I gave a damn about voting, I'd vote No on this measure.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Originally posted by: Eli
Well, it would only be for the state of Oregon, not the whole United States, obviously.

That's what the opponents say.. that we would have a sudden influx of sick people. I'm not really so sure though.

Even with the higher taxes, the proponents say that it will actually cost people less in the long run..

I really don't know much about it.. but I think it would be cool.

Yeah, it would cost the sick people less in the long run. :disgust:

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
If I gave a damn about voting, I'd vote No on this measure.

:Q Bastard! :|

nik

 

[iamwiz82]

i'd rather not pay any taxes that go to healthcare and then pay for my problems as they appear. You would see healthcare costs drop dramatically, since hospitals will not longer be able to charge $10 for a single aspirin tablet.

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: RossMAN
If I gave a damn about voting, I'd vote No on this measure.

:Q Bastard! :|

nik

That's His Royal Grand Nagus Bastardly A$$hole to you

 

[Eli]

Hmm.. so the general consensus is that this would be a bad thing, just because of the higher taxes?

 

[Occifer]

Originally posted by: Eli
Hmm.. so the general consensus is that this would be a bad thing, just because of the higher taxes?

And all of the leeches that would find their way into our state.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i'd rather not pay any taxes that go to healthcare and then pay for my problems as they appear. You would see healthcare costs drop dramatically, since hospitals will not longer be able to charge $10 for a single aspirin tablet.

Uh, no. Since hospitals won't be getting that extra revenue, costs will go up to compensate.

nik

 

[Vic]

"Free" my fscking foot!! :|
It would be paid for my a 7-11% increase in income taxes and that's operating from the insanely optimistic assumption that adminstrative costs will account for 4%. As adminstrative in the current real world health industry push closer to 40%, you can see just how quickly the costs will rise. On top of that, the whole thing will be ran by a 15 member appointed board that will have absolute powers to raise taxes as necessary to cover expenses. The entire thing is projected to cost more in one year than Oregon's regular budget for 4 years.
This measure is so flawed that the entire Democratic party and the unions (organizations that are in favor of socialized health care) are against it. Hell, even the ultra-liberal rag The Willamette Week is against it.
Measure 23 is so bad that, if it passes, I will move to WA state as quickly as possible.
And yes, my sig has been like that for a week.

 

[Occifer]

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i'd rather not pay any taxes that go to healthcare and then pay for my problems as they appear. You would see healthcare costs drop dramatically, since hospitals will not longer be able to charge $10 for a single aspirin tablet.

Uh, no. Since hospitals won't be getting that extra revenue, costs will go up to compensate.

nik

And in turn, taxes will go up.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: HighTechRedneck

Originally posted by: Eli
Hmm.. so the general consensus is that this would be a bad thing, just because of the higher taxes?

And all of the leeches that would find their way into our state.

No kidding. If I have a health problem, I'll pay for it. Otherwise, I'm not paying higher taxes to get Paco in to see the doctor even if he doesn't have a job, or pay taxes, or give a damn about this country at all other than for reasons like this.

nik

 

[glenn1]

Hmm.. so the general consensus is that this would be a bad thing, just because of the higher taxes?

Your state, your choice. This should be an interesting exercise for the rest of the country to watch. I'm frankly skeptical about the prospects for success of this experiment, but i'm glad someone besides my state is willing to try it out.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: HighTechRedneck

Originally posted by: ffmcobalt

Originally posted by: iamwiz82
i'd rather not pay any taxes that go to healthcare and then pay for my problems as they appear. You would see healthcare costs drop dramatically, since hospitals will not longer be able to charge $10 for a single aspirin tablet.

Uh, no. Since hospitals won't be getting that extra revenue, costs will go up to compensate.

nik

And in turn, taxes will go up.

Yes, I know that. My point was that you would not see healthcare costs drop dramatically. You would see them get more expensive. It's a lose-lose situation.

nik

 

[JellyBaby]

It's not the government's role to pay for your health care. Do you want them to help you pick your nose next?

Since this is a state decision, if the voters want it, I say more power to 'em. However, there will be a big price to pay. My hunch is they've underestimated the total cost of this. That will require more taxation from the get-go. To keep costs "low", they'll limit service to participants and probably force long waiting periods. Eventually, you will pay some part of your care out-of-pocket. It's just a matter of time.

Over time, since "government money" is freely available, costs will escalate. Your $14 asprin will shoot to $20. They'll raise taxes again, perhaps create a few new ones. This won't be the only cost. Businesses will be hard hit (they always are) and will pass along the hit to their customers. So everyone will pay more for local goods and services.

In a vain attempt to "fix things", your state government will increase regulation, burdening health care providers even more and expanding government's role. That will increase costs even further.

I've seen how our federal government has managed to help screw up health care for all of us. Hopefully, this will pass in your state and fail miserably so it will never be tried again.

 

[Viper GTS]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Hmm.. so the general consensus is that this would be a bad thing, just because of the higher taxes?

Your state, your choice. This should be an interesting exercise for the rest of the country to watch. I'm frankly skeptical about the prospects for success of this experiment, but i'm glad someone besides my state is willing to try it out.

Gee, thanks.

Unfortunately I have not yet changed my voter registration, so I most likely won't be able to vote on it.

WA is looking attractive, I'd trade income tax for a sales tax any day.

Viper GTS

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: glenn1

Hmm.. so the general consensus is that this would be a bad thing, just because of the higher taxes?

Your state, your choice. This should be an interesting exercise for the rest of the country to watch. I'm frankly skeptical about the prospects for success of this experiment, but i'm glad someone besides my state is willing to try it out.

Why? So illegals just friggin..

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AAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGG this bill pisses me off so much. :|

so angry that I have to take a break or something before I fscking explode :|