Meanwhile in South Africa

KMFJD

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South African parliament votes to SEIZE white-owned land as experts warn of violent repercussions

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5443599/White-South-African-farmers-removed-land.html

I'm surprised the more right leaning members of the fear inc. haven't touched on this yet...

of course that's not what's really going on of course....

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/201...plained-and-what-will-happen-next_a_23373000/

What did Parliament decide?

The National Assembly passed a motion by 241 votes to 83 mandating an investigation into a possible constitutional amendment.

Did it not vote to agree to change section 25, the so-called "property clause"?


No, it did not. It merely agreed to a process to look at possible changes to the Constitution.
 

glenn1

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<shrug> if they saw Zimbabwe do the same thing with (ahem) sub-optimal results and still want to proceed then godspeed to them.
 

IronWing

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It's plausible that the current parliament would proceed with a black farm ownership measure. They've been messing around with mine ownership laws for a year or two with disastrous results. In the case of mining, they require that mines be be at least XX% black owned with XX (currently 26%, latest proposed change is to raise it to 30%) going up and down as the political winds shift. In the case of the mines, there is no seizure proposed but instead government ordered divestment. This drives down the market value of the mines and is tantamount to partial seizure. This has stopped capital investment dead and mining companies are sucking value out as fast as they can in the short term. This is going to hurt a lot in the medium to long term.

Edit: edited 30% down to 26% for current black ownership target. With Zuma out, new negotiations are underway that may lower the proposed target or scrap it for some other scheme.
 
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KMFJD

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It's plausible that the current parliament would proceed with a black farm ownership measure. They've been messing around with mine ownership laws for a year or two with disastrous results. In the case of mining, they require that mines be be at least XX% black owned with XX (currently 30%) going up and down as the political winds shift. In the case of the mines, there is no seizure proposed but instead government ordered divestment. This drives down the market value of the mines and is tantamount to partial seizure. This has stopped capital investment dead and mining companies are sucking value out as fast as they can in the short term. This is going to hurt a lot in the medium to long term.

It could pass, they only need 2/3rds and if the ANC and EFF vote together they have enough votes. It won't make things better for most people, probably the opposite
 

Exterous

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<shrug> if they saw Zimbabwe do the same thing with (ahem) sub-optimal results and still want to proceed then godspeed to them.

They've already done that and were seeking to redistribute ~30% of white owned farm land to black farmers by 2014. They missed that goal by quite a bit. A huge part of that problem is that they really just gave farms over to people with no training or knowledge so many failed and were sold back to the original white owners by the current black owners. This isn't the first time lowering\eliminating compensation has been brought up over the years and while it has failed in the past it probably plays well in the polls. The ANC likes to blame a large chunk of the problem on paying compensation but its almost certainly that the new land owners are not being given the proper support to actually be viable. Given the ANC's corruption history (See: Anything related to Zuma) I would guess that that plays a huge role as well. Its also a great way to distract from the criticisms over ANC's role in Cape Town's water problems (But props to Cape Townians for continually pushing back Zero Day)

https://www.npr.org/2011/11/20/142564019/south-african-farms-still-short-black-farmers
https://www.africanfarming.com/weve-enough-say-sas-black-farmers/
 

realibrad

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So just some insight on this.

The majority of the land they seem to be looking at is land owned by Whites. The motion comes from opposition leader Julius Malema, who said this in 2016 "not calling for the slaughter of white people - at least for now". To give further context on Malema's position he also said this "It is about our dignity. We do not seek revenge... all that our people ever wanted is their land to which their dignity is rooted and founded". That is pitting us vs them, and they are all from the same country so it seems some of this could be rooted in anti-white feelings. Weird that this would be picked up by anyone not local. Seems like a super local issue. Daily Mail seems to have an obvious agenda, but still weird they would pick this up.