Meanwhile in Chicago burglars get charges dropped and issued apologies

[UglyCasanova]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...-norfolk-southern-apology-20180810-story.html

The Norfolk Southern Railway apologized on Friday for its controversial "bait truck" operation in Chicago's Englewood neighborhood and said it wouldn't use the tactic again.

In a letter in response to a Tribune editorial, Herbert Smith of Norfolk Southern acknowledged that the undercover operation “eroded trust between law enforcement and the community.”

..
In one of two videos posted on Vox, a white semitrailer truck can be seen under "L" tracks as passers-by angrily walked toward a group of Chicago police officers.

"Watch for the bait truck. They're getting everybody out here, man," one person said.

At one point, a man can be seen standing with his hands behind his back surrounded by officers.



How bizarre.

If I lived in a high crime area I’d have no issue with law enforcement getting theives off the street.

 

[Victorian Gray]

I suspect this is where there might be a 'disconnect':

"But the police say the truck was used to target thieves who had been breaking into freight containers at a rail yard."
...

"But community groups say the truck was parked in low income, predominantly black, areas of the city and risked worsening the relationship between residents and the police."

Are they now storing freight containers on streets in low income, predominantly black, areas of the city?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45142145

 

[Vic]

Entrapment increases crime, not lowers it.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Entrapment increases crime, not lowers it.

I don’t like the idea of entrapment but how does it increase crime?

 

[Jhhnn]

I don’t like the idea of entrapment but how does it increase crime?

Because the crime in question would not have occurred w/o entrapment.

 

[soulcougher73]

I hate being forced to steal....

 

[UglyCasanova]

Because the crime in question would not have occurred w/o entrapment.

It would, but on a different trailer.

 

[Jhhnn]

It would, but on a different trailer.

Bullshit. That can't be said with any certainty.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Theives are gonna theive baw. I can say it with pretty good certainty.

 

[aigomorla]

Bullshit. That can't be said with any certainty.

i think you can argue it either way.

They did it because it was there, yet if it was not there to begin with would they do it?

Because it was setup in such a perfect ideal situations, they hit it.
But if it wasn't that ideal they wouldn't.
Because its entrapment, it was the ideal conditions, had it been Real Life conditions, the situations would not be ideal and they would of passed.

So my take is that it can go both way, like you said its without any certainty.

"But community groups say the truck was parked in low income, predominantly black, areas of the city and risked worsening the relationship between residents and the police."

Are they now storing freight containers on streets in low income, predominantly black, areas of the city?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-45142145

this is why the apology was sent, because its clearly the police racial profiling.
If they did it in multipul areas, across demographics and not limited to one area and race, then they wouldnt be in trouble.

 

[brycejones]

Hmmm......once again, what is the OP focused on?

 

[aigomorla]

Hmmm......once again, what is the OP focused on?

Chicago PD had to release the people they baited because it clearly showed the police racially profiling.

 

[zinfamous]

I don’t like the idea of entrapment but how does it increase crime?

huh?

 

[UglyCasanova]

Chicago PD had to release the people they baited because it clearly showed the police racially profiling.

How does that work? Did they warn off the whites? They planted a trailer in a high crime area and yep caught a thief.

 

[BoomerD]

Entrapment increases crime, not lowers it.

How is parking a trailer in an unsecured area entrapment? No one forced the thieves to break into it...

 

[Jhhnn]

How is parking a trailer in an unsecured area entrapment? No one forced the thieves to break into it...

It's entrapment if the door is partway up & desirable stuff is visible inside.

 

[Jhhnn]

How does that work? Did they warn off the whites? They planted a trailer in a high crime area and yep caught a thief.

Nobody said it was a high crime area. You merely assumed that because it's a black neighborhood.

 

[JSt0rm]

Theives are gonna theive baw. I can say it with pretty good certainty.

this is a human that doesnt understand socio-economics.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Nobody said it was a high crime area. You merely assumed that because it's a black neighborhood.

Despite the railroad’s apology, Smith said in the letter to the editor that community residents “deserve more context” about the investigation he said was prompted by ongoing cargo theft from parked and locked containers and trailers in that area.

Those break-ins included thefts of guns and ammunition “that found their way in the local community,” he said.​

 

[Paratus]

Somebody needs to park this next to the police station and leave the back open with some donuts sitting out and a couple of cameras.

 

[BoomerD]

It's entrapment if the door is partway up & desirable stuff is visible inside.

Nothing in the article says the door was partway up or stuff visible inside...

That's as stupid as saying it's entrapment if UPS leaves a package by my door and some mutt steals it.

 

[96Firebird]

This is some of the stupidest shit I've read today.

The day is still young, but still...

 

[UglyCasanova]

Jhhnn seems to be making up quite a bit of embellishments in this thread

 

[spacejamz]

So is leaving merchandise on a shelf instead locked up in a store entrapment if someone gets caught shoplifting?

 

[bononos]

Theives are gonna theive baw. I can say it with pretty good certainty.

Racial profiling means schemes like bait cars/trucks or drug stings target a certain group.
This sort of profiling explains why blacks end up in prison more often for the same crime when statistics show that whites and blacks take drugs in equal measure because blacks are the ones who are targeted.