Me start smoking?! :(

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Blieb

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: SagaLore
I guess nobody cares about "addiction" these days.

Read up on nictone - you only think you like it because it's playing with your brain.

I don't believe in addictions like that... I believe in weak minded people. Sure there's physical dependancies on drugs... but you can simply choose not to smoke, or drink, or shoot up. It's a concious decision you make.

You've obviously never taken a biology class if you think people keep smoking crack because they're "weak minded".

Tell you what, let's do a little experiment; you go smoke some meth four or five times and then quit cold turkey to demonstrate your theory OK?

I eagerly await your results.

dumb@ss. He meant there's a physical dependency ... but you have to TRY it to get hooked. Derrrrrrrr.

I guess you didn't see his first comment in the thread.

I smoke occasionally... I'm one of those people that the "addicts" hate cause I can go to a bar, smoke 2 packs in a night, and not smoke a single cigarette again for 6 months.

He's tried it and thinks he'll be an occasional smoker forever if he wants to. Dumbass.

 

[Kevin]

Originally posted by: HappyFace

Originally posted by: Kevin
I smoke a cigar about once a week. Gets everything out of my system and I enjoy it...

Hrm, maybe I should resort to something along these lines. A cigar with my beer, once a week. With cigars you dont inhale, right?! I'm sure cigs can get to be a nasty habit if you let it get out of hand! meh..

Yeah, don't inhale. If you do, you'll know it. My grandfather has been smoking forever now. He smokes a cigar once a day, probably the only enjoyment he gets out of life...

 

[isasir]

I smoke occasionally while drinking. Since I do it so infrequently (maybe 5 times/year), when I do smoke, I get a nice extra buzz from 2 cigarettes. I've never had the urge to buy a pack (I always bum cigarettes). I suggest you throw that pack away, vow never to buy any, but if you do like the occasional smoke while drinking, then feel free to do just that.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Lithium381
NO YOU IDIOT!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: Zim Hosein
Stop Now! HappyFace :|

<-- Current smoker

Same here...Stop now it will be easy try stopping after 20 years almost impossible...

Also the amount of $hit you have to take being a smoker really sux. An aids infected out of work Hatian refugee is higher up on the social scale then a smoker

Ausm

 

[Jeff7181]

He's tried it and thinks he'll be an occasional smoker forever if he wants to. Dumbass.

I've been an "occasional smoker" for 5 years... couple weeks ago when I went to PA to visit some family, I had my first cigarette since last summer... went over a year without one when I was dating a girl who hated smoking. My point is... physical dependancies can be overcome by willpower.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: jonmullen
Ah is your choice....your life aslong as your not blowing the sh!t in my face you can go off and kill yourself...but really I would try to quite now its only going to get harder.

Why don't you do us all a favor and off yourself....


Ausm

 

[Regs]

Yeah I can see where you are coming from, I'm a ex smoker. You may think some jobs justify cigarettes because of stress and boredom ext.... Once you get addicted, once you start sneezing black mucus, once you start wheezing in the morning, and all the other fun stuff that comes with the nasty habit you will wish you never of started. Not to mention a Pack of cigarettes in NJ right now is $5.30.

So take 5.30 x 365 and see how much I'm saving right now.

 

[Ausm]

Originally posted by: notfred
You sound incredibly stupid. Maybe we'll get lucky and you'll die before reproducing and passing on your defective genes.

You sound like an incredibly pompus asshole. I am glad we have someone on the BBS as high and mighty as you are..


Ausm

 

[GRIFFIN1]

Here are some good reasons not to start smoking.

1. Most women find smoking to be a turn off. (this should be the only reason you need)

2. It's expensive

3. The addiction will start to control your life. You will eventually find that you stop wanting to do things that keep you from smoking. Going to see a long movie, a date with a girl that doesn't smoke, visiting family, going on a road trip with people that don't smoke. It really sucks when you are out on a date with a nice girl and all you can think about is how you wish you could smoke.

I started smoking while delivering pizzas when I was 18, and that was one of the only things I really wish I wouldn't have done when I was younger.

 

[clamum]

Smoking even one cig makes me kind of sick and if I smoked it fast I would definately throw up. Tastes like sh1t, smells like sh1t, waste of money.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

He's tried it and thinks he'll be an occasional smoker forever if he wants to. Dumbass.

I've been an "occasional smoker" for 5 years... couple weeks ago when I went to PA to visit some family, I had my first cigarette since last summer... went over a year without one when I was dating a girl who hated smoking. My point is... physical dependancies can be overcome by willpower.

And my point is (interruptions from Blieb notwithstanding) that you are basically wrong when you're talking about stuff like crack, heroin, meth, and nicotine for that matter. People are hooked on meth the third time they try it (on average) and the percent of people who kick it and stay off it forever after......about 6%. There's more to physical addiction than just willpower; willpower could theoretically allow you to amputate your leg with a butter knife too, but not many people could do so.

 

[bleeb]

Just don't ever try smoking ganja!

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

He's tried it and thinks he'll be an occasional smoker forever if he wants to. Dumbass.

I've been an "occasional smoker" for 5 years... couple weeks ago when I went to PA to visit some family, I had my first cigarette since last summer... went over a year without one when I was dating a girl who hated smoking. My point is... physical dependancies can be overcome by willpower.

And my point is (interruptions from Blieb notwithstanding) that you are basically wrong when you're talking about stuff like crack, heroin, meth, and nicotine for that matter. People are hooked on meth the third time they try it (on average) and the percent of people who kick it and stay off it forever after......about 6%. There's more to physical addiction than just willpower; willpower could theoretically allow you to amputate your leg with a butter knife too, but not many people could do so.

If placed in a situation where I had to either amputate my leg with a butter knife or die, I think I could bring myself to dig through my flesh and cut the tendons and ligaments in my knee to survive.
I don't believe there's more to physical addiction than willpower. Sure if you're a heroine "addict" you'll need heroine to feel normal... but if you wanted to get off it bad enough, you'd get through it. Heroine addicts aren't doomed for life... there's places like rehab to help give them the willpower to kick the habit. Whether they have the willpower not to get back on it after they get out of rehab is up to them... they stay in rehab until they physically aren't dependant on it... it's thier mental dependancy that brings people back to it.

 

[KthxBye]

1. Most women find smoking to be a turn off. (this should be the only reason you need)

Ah but those who don't tend to have a much more...open view of the world. Plus they're easy to meet cause they'll bum one off you.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: KthxBye

1. Most women find smoking to be a turn off. (this should be the only reason you need)

Ah but those who don't tend to have a much more...open view of the world. Plus they're easy to meet cause they'll bum one off you.

lol

 

[KthxBye]

Just don't ever try smoking ganja!

Aside from the legal status, why not? You won't feel any need to do it again after just one time, and you gain little firsthand knowledge.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

He's tried it and thinks he'll be an occasional smoker forever if he wants to. Dumbass.

I've been an "occasional smoker" for 5 years... couple weeks ago when I went to PA to visit some family, I had my first cigarette since last summer... went over a year without one when I was dating a girl who hated smoking. My point is... physical dependancies can be overcome by willpower.

And my point is (interruptions from Blieb notwithstanding) that you are basically wrong when you're talking about stuff like crack, heroin, meth, and nicotine for that matter. People are hooked on meth the third time they try it (on average) and the percent of people who kick it and stay off it forever after......about 6%. There's more to physical addiction than just willpower; willpower could theoretically allow you to amputate your leg with a butter knife too, but not many people could do so.

If placed in a situation where I had to either amputate my leg with a butter knife or die, I think I could bring myself to dig through my flesh and cut the tendons and ligaments in my knee to survive.
I don't believe there's more to physical addiction than willpower.

So then why is it called "physical addiction"? DT's and such are just a figment of the addict's mind?

Sure if you're a heroine "addict" you'll need heroine to feel normal... but if you wanted to get off it bad enough, you'd get through it. Heroine addicts aren't doomed for life... there's places like rehab to help give them the willpower to kick the habit.

Except that rehab costs money, most junkies are broke, and don't want help anyway. That's the catch....some drugs are sooooooo great that people will die doing them because they feel better than real life. Why do you think I saw old guys with oxygen tanks on their wheelchairs outside alternately taking a drag and then a puff of O2 when I worked for the local VA hospital. You are seriously underestimating the power of addiction because you aren't addicted to anything.

Whether they have the willpower not to get back on it after they get out of rehab is up to them... they stay in rehab until they physically aren't dependant on it... it's thier mental dependancy that brings people back to it.

Only partially true. Some drugs, after enough usage, will rewire your body and brain. Meth is a good example of this (hence the 6% recovery rate).

 

[PatboyX]

Originally posted by: HappyFace
Yesterday I was hangin at a pool hall and a buddy of mine gave me a few cigs with my beers. First time I've smoked evaR! Stupid me liked it ... and I bought a pack today, smoked 2 on the way home. I know it's not very smart, but I like it ... I'm a pizza delivery guy, and I need somethin to do on those long treks. Meh...

Please no flames!!! :Q

Off to bed now, lates!

i use to deliver for a pharmacy.
i listened to talk radio to help pass the time.
now:
which of us has the worst habit?

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: PatboyX

Originally posted by: HappyFace
Yesterday I was hangin at a pool hall and a buddy of mine gave me a few cigs with my beers. First time I've smoked evaR! Stupid me liked it ... and I bought a pack today, smoked 2 on the way home. I know it's not very smart, but I like it ... I'm a pizza delivery guy, and I need somethin to do on those long treks. Meh...

Please no flames!!! :Q

Off to bed now, lates!

i use to deliver for a pharmacy.
i listened to talk radio to help pass the time.
now:
which of us has the worst habit?

They're both pretty bad....one rots your lungs, the other rots your brains.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

He's tried it and thinks he'll be an occasional smoker forever if he wants to. Dumbass.

I've been an "occasional smoker" for 5 years... couple weeks ago when I went to PA to visit some family, I had my first cigarette since last summer... went over a year without one when I was dating a girl who hated smoking. My point is... physical dependancies can be overcome by willpower.

And my point is (interruptions from Blieb notwithstanding) that you are basically wrong when you're talking about stuff like crack, heroin, meth, and nicotine for that matter. People are hooked on meth the third time they try it (on average) and the percent of people who kick it and stay off it forever after......about 6%. There's more to physical addiction than just willpower; willpower could theoretically allow you to amputate your leg with a butter knife too, but not many people could do so.

If placed in a situation where I had to either amputate my leg with a butter knife or die, I think I could bring myself to dig through my flesh and cut the tendons and ligaments in my knee to survive.
I don't believe there's more to physical addiction than willpower.

So then why is it called "physical addiction"? DT's and such are just a figment of the addict's mind?

Sure if you're a heroine "addict" you'll need heroine to feel normal... but if you wanted to get off it bad enough, you'd get through it. Heroine addicts aren't doomed for life... there's places like rehab to help give them the willpower to kick the habit.

Except that rehab costs money, most junkies are broke, and don't want help anyway. That's the catch....some drugs are sooooooo great that people will die doing them because they feel better than real life. Why do you think I saw old guys with oxygen tanks on their wheelchairs outside alternately taking a drag and then a puff of O2 when I worked for the local VA hospital. You are seriously underestimating the power of addiction because you aren't addicted to anything.

Whether they have the willpower not to get back on it after they get out of rehab is up to them... they stay in rehab until they physically aren't dependant on it... it's thier mental dependancy that brings people back to it.

Only partially true. Some drugs, after enough usage, will rewire your body and brain. Meth is a good example of this (hence the 6% recovery rate).

I'm not underestimating it... I know there are many people without the willpower to break habits... the man taking breaths of oxygen while smoking is an example. Another example would be a guy I saw smoking a cigarette through a hole in his neck.
These aren't habits like picking your nose where you find yourself doing it and don't even realize it... these are habits where you have to seek out the cigarette, or the meth, or the heroine... pay for it... and use it.

 

[amnesiac]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

I don't believe there's more to physical addiction than willpower. Sure if you're a heroine "addict" you'll need heroine to feel normal... but if you wanted to get off it bad enough, you'd get through it. Heroine addicts aren't doomed for life... there's places like rehab to help give them the willpower to kick the habit. Whether they have the willpower not to get back on it after they get out of rehab is up to them... they stay in rehab until they physically aren't dependant on it... it's thier mental dependancy that brings people back to it.

ARE YOU THAT STUPID IN REAL LIFE OR DO YOU JUST PLAY IT ON ATOT?

I think you have set the record for most ignorant statement ever made on this forum.

My brother died from heroin (not "heroine" you moron) last month. I've also lost another half-brother to drugs 13 years ago, and almost lost my father due to alcoholism.

All are strong willed people, my father especially. All the willpower in the world can't cure you from the craving, the insane grasp a substance has on you once you're fully addicted. To think otherwise is plain foolish. Go to an NA or AA meeting. You'll see some very strong people there and even they need a helping hand to get out of their troubles.

Just because someone turns to the bottle or the needle doesn't make them a weak person. Addiction is a disease, it's a hereditary disposition, and reaches far deeper into your mind's eye than you could possibly fathom. It's caused by someone making the wrong decision at the wrong time.

As for the mental dependency being all "willpower" I suppose you could say the same about a manic-depressive or a schizophrenic. I know, let's start a new form of therapy where we tell them that they can cure themselves through sheer use of willpower. That's it! You idiot. It's a mental ailment and it's not nearly so easily to overcome as you suggest.

My brother was in and out of rehab, Narcotics Anonymous, and a couple other help groups. He WANTED to quit. He was a very stubborn and strong-willed individual. When he wanted something, he went and got it. Unfortunately, the tendrils of addiction had wrapped themselves so tightly around him that even a doctor's warning after a heart valve replacement surgery -- "Use one more time and you WILL die." -- was not enough to prevent a relapse.

You are correct in that willpower is involved BEFORE the addiction starts. Once you recognize what is happening, which isn't always clear to the victim, it takes an amount of willpower to backpedal and wrench yourself away from addiction before it begins. However, once it has you, it is a very rare occasion that someone can dig themselves out of their own hole. It is almost a given that it requires the help of one or many to restore normality.

Next time, try to keep your flapping lips shut when talking about things you have no experience with. Or better yet, why don't YOU shoot up a couple times and try to leap out of your own grave all by yourself, mister Mega-Willpower.

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: amnesiac

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

I don't believe there's more to physical addiction than willpower. Sure if you're a heroine "addict" you'll need heroine to feel normal... but if you wanted to get off it bad enough, you'd get through it. Heroine addicts aren't doomed for life... there's places like rehab to help give them the willpower to kick the habit. Whether they have the willpower not to get back on it after they get out of rehab is up to them... they stay in rehab until they physically aren't dependant on it... it's thier mental dependancy that brings people back to it.

ARE YOU THAT STUPID IN REAL LIFE OR DO YOU JUST PLAY IT ON ATOT?

I think you have set the record for most ignorant statement ever made on this forum.

My brother died from heroin (not "heroine" you moron) last month. I've also lost another half-brother to drugs 13 years ago, and almost lost my father due to alcoholism.

All are strong willed people, my father especially. All the willpower in the world can't cure you from the craving, the insane grasp a substance has on you once you're fully addicted. To think otherwise is plain foolish. Go to an NA or AA meeting. You'll see some very strong people there and even they need a helping hand to get out of their troubles.

Just because someone turns to the bottle or the needle doesn't make them a weak person. Addiction is a disease, it's a hereditary disposition, and reaches far deeper into your mind's eye than you could possibly fathom. It's caused by someone making the wrong decision at the wrong time.

As for the mental dependency being all "willpower" I suppose you could say the same about a manic-depressive or a schizophrenic. I know, let's start a new form of therapy where we tell them that they can cure themselves through sheer use of willpower. That's it! You idiot. It's a mental ailment and it's not nearly so easily to overcome as you suggest.

My brother was in and out of rehab, Narcotics Anonymous, and a couple other help groups. He WANTED to quit. He was a very stubborn and strong-willed individual. When he wanted something, he went and got it. Unfortunately, the tendrils of addiction had wrapped themselves so tightly around him that even a doctor's warning after a heart valve replacement surgery -- "Use one more time and you WILL die." -- was not enough to prevent a relapse.

You are correct in that willpower is involved BEFORE the addiction starts. Once you recognize what is happening, which isn't always clear to the victim, it takes an amount of willpower to backpedal and wrench yourself away from addiction before it begins. However, once it has you, it is a very rare occasion that someone can dig themselves out of their own hole. It is almost a given that it requires the help of one or many to restore normality.

Next time, try to keep your flapping lips shut when talking about things you have no experience with. Or better yet, why don't YOU shoot up a couple times and try to leap out of your own grave all by yourself, mister Mega-Willpower.

Don't get all emotional dude. And no offense to you or your family or any other drug addicts you know... but addiction having anything to do with genetics, other than maybe a disposition to being weak willed, is pure and total BS. It's a cop out. "I'm an alcoholic because it's in my genes." LOL... come on... that's an excuse people make so they don't have to overcome their addiction.

You are right about one thing... willpower can't "cure the craving," but willpower will prevent you from satisfying that craving with drugs.

Willpower is defined as "The strength of will to carry out one's decisions, wishes, or plans." If you have the strength to carry out your wishes to stop using drugs, then that's all there is to it, you'll stop. However, if you don't have the strength, then by definition, you don't have the willpower, which is all I'm saying.

I'm sorry for your losses, and I'm not saying your family members and friends are wussies. They let the drugs control their life. The strongest instinct is the instinct to survive... that's what drives animals to chew off their leg to get away when they get caught in a hunter's trap... or what drives a person to cut his arm off with a pocket knife because it was pinned under a rock and there was no other way he could get free.

*EDIT* BTW, I'm done with this thread... "people's" emotions are causing them to resort to name calling so I'm done... go ahead and call me a moron again, or even a poopy head.

 

[Fausto]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

Originally posted by: Fausto1

Originally posted by: Jeff7181

He's tried it and thinks he'll be an occasional smoker forever if he wants to. Dumbass.

I've been an "occasional smoker" for 5 years... couple weeks ago when I went to PA to visit some family, I had my first cigarette since last summer... went over a year without one when I was dating a girl who hated smoking. My point is... physical dependancies can be overcome by willpower.

And my point is (interruptions from Blieb notwithstanding) that you are basically wrong when you're talking about stuff like crack, heroin, meth, and nicotine for that matter. People are hooked on meth the third time they try it (on average) and the percent of people who kick it and stay off it forever after......about 6%. There's more to physical addiction than just willpower; willpower could theoretically allow you to amputate your leg with a butter knife too, but not many people could do so.

If placed in a situation where I had to either amputate my leg with a butter knife or die, I think I could bring myself to dig through my flesh and cut the tendons and ligaments in my knee to survive.
I don't believe there's more to physical addiction than willpower.

So then why is it called "physical addiction"? DT's and such are just a figment of the addict's mind?

Sure if you're a heroine "addict" you'll need heroine to feel normal... but if you wanted to get off it bad enough, you'd get through it. Heroine addicts aren't doomed for life... there's places like rehab to help give them the willpower to kick the habit.

Except that rehab costs money, most junkies are broke, and don't want help anyway. That's the catch....some drugs are sooooooo great that people will die doing them because they feel better than real life. Why do you think I saw old guys with oxygen tanks on their wheelchairs outside alternately taking a drag and then a puff of O2 when I worked for the local VA hospital. You are seriously underestimating the power of addiction because you aren't addicted to anything.

Whether they have the willpower not to get back on it after they get out of rehab is up to them... they stay in rehab until they physically aren't dependant on it... it's thier mental dependancy that brings people back to it.

Only partially true. Some drugs, after enough usage, will rewire your body and brain. Meth is a good example of this (hence the 6% recovery rate).

I'm not underestimating it... I know there are many people without the willpower to break habits... the man taking breaths of oxygen while smoking is an example. Another example would be a guy I saw smoking a cigarette through a hole in his neck.
These aren't habits like picking your nose where you find yourself doing it and don't even realize it... these are habits where you have to seek out the cigarette, or the meth, or the heroine... pay for it... and use it.

You are so far off base it's not even funny. Go smoke up some meth and show us how it's done.