MD of Holistic Medicine---is this a real doctor?

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Fritzo

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I did some network setup for a "doctor", and she plastered herself everywhere as "So-and-So: MD". The thing is, she's an MD of Holistic Medicine. She had a huge diploma on the wall, insisted on being called "doctor" and everything.

Are Holistic MD's actually doctors, or is she some kind of quack selling snake oil?

What I found hilarious is she specializes in anti-aging therapy, and she looks like a mid-50's hag with long straight black and gray hair, pale skin, and 3-pack a day wrinkles. Kind of like your personal trainer being 50 lbs overweight.
 
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sounds like a specialty under the Doctor of Medicine category

Medical Degree (M.D., or D.O.):
There are primarily two types of medical degrees from which to choose if you are working towards becoming a fully licensed and board-certified physician who is able to prescribe medication, and perform procedures, and practice medicine independently. These two degrees are M.D., and D.O.
M.D. (Doctor of Medicine):
An M.D. degree is only conferred from an accredited allopathic medical school. Allopathic medicine is the oldest, and therefore more traditional and widely accepted form of medicine, and M.D.’s make up the vast majority of all practicing physicians.
D.O. (Doctor of Osteopathy):
Medical schools which offer DO degrees are called osteopathic medical schools. Osteopathy was not widely accepted until more recently, as in the past decade or so. Even now, there are many hospitals in certain areas of the country that prefer to recruit allopathic physicians over osteopathic ones, but there are plenty of practice opportunities for both M.D.s and D.O.s.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holistic_health
Holistic view is a view in medical practice upholding that all aspects of people's needs, psychological, physical and social, should be taken into account and seen as a whole. As defined above, the holistic view on treatment is widely accepted in medicine. A different definition, claiming that disease is a result of physical, emotional, spiritual, social and environmental imbalance, is used in alternative medicine.



...depends on the context it seems.
 
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ShawnD1

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Fritzo said:
What I found hilarious is she specializes in anti-aging therapy, and she looks like a mid-50's hag with long straight black and gray hair, pale skin, and 3-pack a day wrinkles. Kind of like your personal trainer being 50 lbs overweight.
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How old is she? Looking 50 is pretty sweet if you're actually 70.

Holistic view is a view in medical practice upholding that all aspects of people's needs, psychological, physical and social, should be taken into account and seen as a whole. As defined above, the holistic view on treatment is widely accepted in medicine. A different definition, claiming that disease is a result of physical, emotional, spiritual, social and environmental imbalance, is used in alternative medicine.
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While this sounds reasonable, I'll bet both of my balls that she's a nut case. You can test this by asking about a certain treatment and see what her reponse is. I'll give you an example.

You: I'm feeling down lately and my sister recommended st johns wort. What's your opinion of this?
Nutcase response: I support this treatment because natural blah blah I don't know what I'm talking about sdfl;kjasdlfkjsdf
Intelligent response: I do/dont support this treatment because st johns wort contains <chemical> which is known to cause <issue> which may worsen things. It's worth trying though just to see if it works.

Fake doctors will support a treatment without giving a clear answer of why they support it. A real doctor will give you a reason for why they support something, because they actually know what they're talking about.
 
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An MD of Holistic Medicine is as much of a real doctor as a c...

/me turns around and runs away from this thread as fast as possible
 
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:roll;

it's sad that the perception of having knowledge of chemicals to give people makes someone a doctor, but actually understanding what the body needs and why and addressing it naturally, if possible, doesn't.
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It's sad that you think you understand what body needs more than a real doctor. It's also sad that you think you are a doctor.
 
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ScottyB

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:roll;

it's sad that the perception of having knowledge of chemicals to give people makes someone a doctor, but actually understanding what the body needs and why and addressing it naturally, if possible, doesn't.
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Yeah, it's very sad that someone with a thorough knowledge of medical history backed by scientific review and years of tutelage from other doctors is called a doctor and someone that believes in magic isn't. What kind of a world do we live in?
 
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ScottyB said:
Yeah, it's very sad that someone with a thorough knowledge of medical history backed by scientific review and years of tutelage from other doctors is called a doctor and someone that believes in magic isn't. What kind of a world do we live in?
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?? to my knowledge, holistic doctors don't believe in magic.

you don't know much about doctors (medical or non-medical), do you?

do you realize that it's holistic medicine that paved the way for current medicine? what did people do before pharmaceutical drugs? do you realize that the medical field is primarily dominated by prescription meds? it has very little to do with knowing how things work and knowing what does what and what's used for what in whatever dosages.

let's face it, the fact of the matter is that, whatever kind of doctor you are, you earned BOUGHT the title. you earned your way through to med/chiro school because you wanted one or all of three things: a) a nice-paying job, b) prestige, c) to help people.

to you, the fact that someone knows the proper dosages to give to a patient for whatever ails them is what qualifies them to be a "real doctor". but did you ever take the time to think about that, maybe, no matter how many doses of the meds you're prescribed, it's not actually fixing anything other than a symptom?

i'm not saying medical doctors don't deserve the title or that they're bad or anything... i'm just saying that some doctors out there, regardless of their discipline, are very good at what they do and CHOOSE to treat people with as little use of the products of a corrupt and bipolar industry as possible.

i know just as much, if not more, about human anatomy, neurology, biomechanics, and physiology as the average medical doctor out there. somehow, in your eyes, just because i made the choice to drop out of med school for chiropractic school and not to go the route of writing scripts all day to chase symptoms, i'm not a doctor?

"real doctors" account for the #3 cause of death in this country. yes, they save lives all the time and they save more lives than they end by mistake, but i don't understand the prestige behind having "m.d." behind your name. any idiot can memorize drug names and tell you what pill does what and tell someone to take it for certain conditions, just like any monkey and pound on peoples' spines and make them crack. it takes a doctor to use the tools that are at his disposal in order to make the lives of patients better and fix the problem they came in asking help for... it takes a doctor to know his and his patient's limitations and who to refer to for the best patient health outcome. that is why i am a doctor.
 
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?? to my knowledge, holistic doctors don't believe in magic.

you don't know much about doctors (medical or non-medical), do you?

do you realize that it's holistic medicine that paved the way for current medicine? what did people do before pharmaceutical drugs? do you realize that the medical field is primarily dominated by prescription meds? it has very little to do with knowing how things work and knowing what does what and what's used for what in whatever dosages.

let's face it, the fact of the matter is that, whatever kind of doctor you are, you earned BOUGHT the title. you earned your way through to med/chiro school because you wanted one or all of three things: a) a nice-paying job, b) prestige, c) to help people.

to you, the fact that someone knows the proper dosages to give to a patient for whatever ails them is what qualifies them to be a "real doctor". but did you ever take the time to think about that, maybe, no matter how many doses of the meds you're prescribed, it's not actually fixing anything other than a symptom?

i'm not saying medical doctors don't deserve the title or that they're bad or anything... i'm just saying that some doctors out there, regardless of their discipline, are very good at what they do and CHOOSE to treat people with as little use of the products of a corrupt and bipolar industry as possible.

i know just as much, if not more, about human anatomy, neurology, biomechanics, and physiology as the average medical doctor out there. somehow, in your eyes, just because i made the choice to drop out of med school for chiropractic school and not to go the route of writing scripts all day to chase symptoms, i'm not a doctor?

"real doctors" account for the #3 cause of death in this country. yes, they save lives all the time and they save more lives than they end by mistake, but i don't understand the prestige behind having "m.d." behind your name. any idiot can memorize drug names and tell you what pill does what and tell someone to take it for certain conditions, just like any monkey and pound on peoples' spines and make them crack. it takes a doctor to use the tools that are at his disposal in order to make the lives of patients better and fix the problem they came in asking help for... it takes a doctor to know his and his patient's limitations and who to refer to for the best patient health outcome. that is why i am a doctor.
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I think you are confusing the terms doctor and sorcerer.
 
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ScottyB

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?? you think doctors are sorcerers?
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No. I think that people that couldn't hack medical school and dropped out, later getting an "education" in a discipline without significant scientific data to back it up, are fooling themselves if they think they are real doctors. They aren't real doctors. They are charlatans masquerading as medical professionals fooling a portion of the general public and probably themselves.
 
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ScottyB said:
No. I think that people that couldn't hack medical school and dropped out, later getting an "education" in a discipline without significant scientific data to back it up, are fooling themselves if they think they are real doctors. They aren't real doctors. They are charlatans masquerading as medical professionals fooling a portion of the general public and probably themselves.
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wow. did a chiro touch you wrong at some point in your life?

i don't know what state you live in but im 100&#37; sure your state recognizes chiros as doctors and have a medical board oh and even a state test.
 
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to you, the fact that someone knows the proper dosages to give to a patient for whatever ails them is what qualifies them to be a "real doctor". but did you ever take the time to think about that, maybe, no matter how many doses of the meds you're prescribed, it's not actually fixing anything other than a symptom?
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I had leishmania, a tropical parasite. I went to a doctor. They prescribed me medicine for my condition. I got injections for a while, and then all of my symptoms were gone and I could stop getting injections. I have never gotten those symptoms again.

Of course, that could never happen in your world, right? I must be lying, because obviously I was only treating the symptoms, and that can never fix anything? We all know that if you have an infection/parasite, once you start taking antibacterial/antifungal/etc medicine, you have to keep taking it for the rest of your life, since you're only treating the "symptoms"?

Wait...that's complete and utter BS, much like your view of medicine.
 
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