MCSE Training for $99 @ Brainbench! 13 CD's! Retail $854.65

[ghaynes]

Hi, want to ask around if this is a hot deal or not. I'm looking to study for my MCSE and would like to know if this is worth buying. I received this offer through an email stating that their only offering 400 copies and after that the deal is dead.

PRODUCT # CD's $ LIST
Exam Simulation Software 1 699.65
Microsoft Win 2000 Virtual Training Kit 12 155.00
TOTAL 13 $854.65

EXAMS INCLUDED
70-210 MCSE Windows 2000 Professional
70-215 MCSE Windows 2000 Server
70-216 MCSE Windows 2000 Network Infrastructure
70-217 MCSE Windows 2000 Directory Services Infrastructure
70-219 MCSE Windows 2000 Designing Directory Services
70-220 MCSE Windows 2000 Designing Security
70-221 MCSE Windows 2000 Designing Network Infrastructure


KT Marketing, through a special arrangement with Brainbench, is now offering, on a strictly limited basis, the Windows 2000 training curriculum created by Microsoft!

Purchased separately, this incredible certification package sells for $854.65. But, as a special promotion for Brainbench users, we are offering you an opportunity to purchase everything you need to get MCSE certified for only $99 GUARANTEED, that's almost 90% off the regular price! You save over $750.00!

Leveraging our buying power and our special relationships with software wholesalers, we have been able to acquire copies of this valuable training and resource tool at an inventory clearance price - and we're passing that savings on to you. But, at the time this email was sent, we only had 400 copies left, and they will be sold on a first-come, first-served basis. Once they're sold, this offer cannot be made again.

So act now and get hours of training seminars conducted by Microsoft developers available to you anytime right on your desktop - The Windows 2000 Virtual Conference Training Kit!


Plus, as a "kicker", we will include certification practice testing from one of America?s leading test simulation providers, e Technologies Examblaster. You will receive all seven exam simulators for the MCSE 2000 track on one CD, ten CD?s from Microsoft, one CD from Compaq and a bonus unreleased music CD!

Remember: this offer is strictly limited to supplies on hand so please act now!

Get all the details here...

 

[ghaynes]

Any MCSE's out there? If so how much training did you pay for?

 

[Pothead]

some like me just buy the books and study

 

[Souka]

Price is cheap cuz 2003/.NET is available........but if you learn everything (and know how to use it) in these CD's....you'll be ahead of most "it professionals"

My $.02

 

[Aztech]

Originally posted by: ghaynes
Any MCSE's out there? If so how much training did you pay for?

And how much is it paying you back? Sorry, I'm gonna go a bit off topic but still related: Is MCSE still in high demand or what? Also, is it worth it if you already have an electrical engineering degree?

 

[poopaskoopa]

Originally posted by: Aztech

Originally posted by: ghaynes
Any MCSE's out there? If so how much training did you pay for?

And how much is it paying you back? Sorry, I'm gonna go a bit off topic but still related: Is MCSE still in high demand or what? Also, is it worth it if you already have an electrical engineering degree?

It is still a tie-breaker between a guy who doesn't have it vs the guy who does, all things being equal. EE degree would put you in a completely different job market, if you're just coming out of college with that degree.

 

[slickpants]

I have 2 friends with MCSEs...they're still parking cars.

 

[tigerbait]

Originally posted by: Aztech

Originally posted by: ghaynes
Any MCSE's out there? If so how much training did you pay for?

And how much is it paying you back? Sorry, I'm gonna go a bit off topic but still related: Is MCSE still in high demand or what? Also, is it worth it if you already have an electrical engineering degree?

I'm in the same scenario as you. I have a EE degree, and am currently working as an EE. But my company has a grant from the state offering free training at a local college, so I signed up for some MSCE classes. I worked two summers as a help desk/ basic network tech for the same company that i am at now as an engineer, and I enjoyed the computer stuff a lot more, so I'd like to keep my options open. I don't think IT would pay as much in this job market though.

 

[wiredspider]

I have a MCSE as well as MCSA, but I still work at McDonalds....

 

[MOONKEY]

Originally posted by: wiredspider
I have a MCSE as well as MCSA, but I still work at McDonalds....

Are you serious? One guy I know is thinking about digging grave for extra cash, MCSE really worths so little?

 

[l33t]

It depends 100% on the employer. No guarantees it will land you a job. Experience > anything. If you're trying to get your foot in the door and lack experience, certs can help a little bit. I personally like the prep test questions from SelfTest Software http://www.stsware.com

Prac tests are around 90 bucks but I can get em for 35 thru my school.

 

[CHAOSMAN]

Originally posted by: wiredspider
I have a MCSE as well as MCSA, but I still work at McDonalds....

well for one thing you should have gotten the cisco cert, any idiot can use billy g's os now, but can any idiot config a cisco router?

 

[ivwshane]

I assume all this is is a transcenders type kit, just a bunch of practice tests? or does this include the trainging?

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: MOONKEY

Originally posted by: wiredspider
I have a MCSE as well as MCSA, but I still work at McDonalds....

Are you serious? One guy I know is thinking about digging grave for extra cash, MCSE really worths so little?

Yeah, it is. Around here, its experience that counts, not a paper. I've done more than the MCSE's that I know, and I make better money.

 

[slycat]

Originally posted by: wiredspider
I have a MCSE as well as MCSA, but I still work at McDonalds....

now that just proves either you suck or you really suck

 

[slycat]

well for one thing you should have gotten the cisco cert, any idiot can use billy g's os now, but can any idiot config a cisco router?

sure everyone can use billy g's os now but can they effectively maintain, secure, troubleshoot, administer a Win2000 domain, active directory and network? Most people here do not know what it means to be an MCSE and obviously neither do you.

 

[Desslok]

Originally posted by: slycat

well for one thing you should have gotten the cisco cert, any idiot can use billy g's os now, but can any idiot config a cisco router?

sure everyone can use billy g's os now but can they effectively maintain, secure, troubleshoot, administer a Win2000 domain, active directory and network? Most people here do not know what it means to be an MCSE and obviously neither do you.

AHAHAHAHA OWNED!

 

[Askani]

I've found in my certification research, that there are alot of haters out there. There are always going to be someone who will say that certs aren't worth it. But in reality they are.... to some. There are some job offerings I've seen that require a certain certification. In the grand scheme of things experience is what matters most. But having a certification can give you an edge over someone who doesn't (all things being equal). I think certification is good for people just getting into the field. It shows you have a desire to learn and you have some kind of knowledge. I say, if it doesn't cost you much to stufy or take the test, then go for it. It will only help. If you have to take a $1000 course or camp then you might want to think about it, unless your company is paying.

 

[alkemyst]

Employers are idiots when it comes to certs....just more buzz words to them.

When I was a programmer (Computer Science Bachelors), I'd see all these programming jobs that wanted MCSE/A+/Novell/etc....wtf do those have to do with designing web applications, they are all the hardware side of things. Plus a ton of them wanting more experience than the OS/Language/Application had existed.

Another nice one was two employers that wanted 5-7 years WinXP experience two years ago. One realized his mistake, the other was a prick and said 'well I guess we will have to wait to you guys get up to speed then and relist the job later, we ALWAYS require at least 5 years experience' or some idiot type remark.

 

[CHAOSMAN]

Originally posted by: slycat

well for one thing you should have gotten the cisco cert, any idiot can use billy g's os now, but can any idiot config a cisco router?

sure everyone can use billy g's os now but can they effectively maintain, secure, troubleshoot, administer a Win2000 domain, active directory and network? Most people here do not know what it means to be an MCSE and obviously neither do you.

please... the os has been out forever, if they havent learned that yet, then they are in the wrong field.

 

[RGN]

Originally posted by: CHAOSMAN

Originally posted by: slycat

well for one thing you should have gotten the cisco cert, any idiot can use billy g's os now, but can any idiot config a cisco router?

sure everyone can use billy g's os now but can they effectively maintain, secure, troubleshoot, administer a Win2000 domain, active directory and network? Most people here do not know what it means to be an MCSE and obviously neither do you.

please... the os has been out forever, if they havent learned that yet, then they are in the wrong field.

You never designed a AD domain have you?

 

[abc]

Originally posted by: slycat

Originally posted by: wiredspider
I have a MCSE as well as MCSA, but I still work at McDonalds....

now that just proves either you suck or you really suck

Neither. This person is very young... last year she tried to get a summer job in IT and all, I remember giving some help with her resume.


This person is anything but suck, just too aggressive maybe for her age... hence a job for people her age.... McDonalds.

 

[Solema]

Ouch, there are some harsh words in here! It's actually pretty clear by some of the comments people have made why they aren't in a good job. MCSE by itself will do practically nothing for anyone, hence the girl working at McDonalds. BUT get at least 3 years experience to go along with that MCSE, and now companies start talking to you. I had 4 years of NT and Windows 2000 experience in a corporate domain environment, but no certs, and all I saw in all the job ads in the papers were "3-5 Years Exp. Req. MCSE and A+ a plus" so certs definitely help your chances. I am currently taking MCSE classes and the tests, all paid for by my employer thankfully, so I consider myself in a "good spot" for the future. I plan on sticking with my current company, getting them to pay for MCSE, MCSA, MCP, MCSD, CCNA, A+, and Novell in the next year or two and hopefully the IT job market will pick up like analysts predict and I'll be set. We'll see I guess.

Personally, I prefer classes to self-study, but that's just because I am a horrible self-studier. If I am in a class, there is no way for me to play Counter-Strike or anything else that would distract me from learning!

 

[ivwshane]

Originally posted by: Solema
Ouch, there are some harsh words in here! It's actually pretty clear by some of the comments people have made why they aren't in a good job. MCSE by itself will do practically nothing for anyone, hence the girl working at McDonalds. BUT get at least 3 years experience to go along with that MCSE, and now companies start talking to you. I had 4 years of NT and Windows 2000 experience in a corporate domain environment, but no certs, and all I saw in all the job ads in the papers were "3-5 Years Exp. Req. MCSE and A+ a plus" so certs definitely help your chances. I am currently taking MCSE classes and the tests, all paid for by my employer thankfully, so I consider myself in a "good spot" for the future. I plan on sticking with my current company, getting them to pay for MCSE, MCSA, MCP, MCSD, CCNA, A+, and Novell in the next year or two and hopefully the IT job market will pick up like analysts predict and I'll be set. We'll see I guess.

Personally, I prefer classes to self-study, but that's just because I am a horrible self-studier. If I am in a class, there is no way for me to play Counter-Strike or anything else that would distract me from learning!

Please! if you know how to get a job with no experience so that I may get experience let me know! I'm currently a mcp and would like to get my mcse but I don't want to be a paper mcse so I spend my time with my 6 computer setup running a Win2k domain with AD, DNS, DHCP, and practicing doing different things.
I do not wish to be a paper MCSE so if you know of a way to get in and get experience please let me know, otherwise I'll be here in retail forever untill the tech market surges!

 

[Solema]

I got lucky and got into a dot-com startup with little funds that was looking for a support tech that was willing to work for peanuts. I took those peanuts, spent 3 years there, then moved to a position as a Network Admin for a recruiting firm. The key is to start low and accept what you can get, and basically accumulate some experience, even if the work you are doing isn't that intensive or even heavily related to IT. Another good idea is to look for any CORPORATE position at a large company, especially banks. Stay away from positions at branch offices. Taking a position at a corporate office increases your visibility. It's nearly impossible to get a job in IT with no experience. Willingness to take a crappy corporate job just to get in the door is the first step, and what separates the McDonald's workers from the ones actually getting somewhere. Before I got the job I currently have, I was in the running for a network admin job for Provident Bank, and I lost the job to a candidate who was an internal transfer. A lot of companies give priority to their current employees over new applicants. Use that. I can guarantee you one thing, working at McDonald's or retail is not going to do anything for you to get experience unless somehow you manage to live near the corporate office of your retail store and are able to get into the IT department there. McDonald's is just hopeless. Don't underestimate the power of taking a job as simple as a mail clerk at a headquarters location of a bank or insurance company. It can go a long way.