MCSE and CCNA...your opinion

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kamiam

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I was thinking of taking some vocational training to become certified as an MCSE and CCNA...what does anyone think of these certs and how do you feel they have helped you in the job market???also what do you think of the training in general and what of the different types of training? from "traditional"schools to "vocatoinal" I really have no interest in the general ed required with the "traditional" schooling and am leaning towards "vocational'...I've looked at Heald and similar programs but they seem to be more suited to the "peofessional" already in the field looking just for certification and I've found a couple of "vocational" schools that provide more "in school" training and more hands on training than these so called, big named places...Please your input is appreciated:)
 
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I was actually very seriously considering Heald, I went down & took their entrance exam for the Cisco classes (very easy test, less than 10 minutes, 40 questions). I walked through their lab, & I have friends who are in or have been all the way through the program. Both I know that went all the way through got their CCNAs.

What good has it done them? None yet. They're still in the same job that paid them for the classes, making the same amount of money (not much, they make the same as me). But then again with the way the economy was it's not terribly surprising. Who knows now.

The questionable value is one of the reasons I decided not to do it, along with the cost of Heald ($5,000+).

I will probably eventually get my CCNA/CCNP, & I my eventual goal is a MS in CS, plus CCIE. That could be a valuable combination.

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MSCE and CCNA are not equivlent certs. MSCE is pretty much Microsofts top cert. CCNA is the entry level Cisco cert. Waht you want is not one or the other, its both. Then continue. Finish Cisco with a CCIE and then get others. There is a RedHat one and then Novell CNE. There is no such thing as over trained. If you are anygood at computer stuffs, you can do these on your own - and not pay big bucks.
 
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CCNP. From employers and such (good friends and so forth) the paper employee (certificates) is becoming harder to filter through. As a previous manager from a company, I didn't enjoy the fact that some people relied solely on their certs for jobs. First off, most of them have zero or limited hand on experience. I would suggest going for the CCNP. It is going to be the CCNA of last years.
 
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Finish Cisco with a CCIE and then get others.

No offense, but you GREATLY understate the significance of CCIE.

According to Cisco there are 6,557 worldwide.

A CCIE pretty much commands a low six-figure income.

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as RGN suggested, this is my goal...being an electronic tech for the last 20 years, I became A+ certified 3 years ago with NO background in computers...and now being unemployed for the last 3 months I'm starting to get worried and started the proceedure to have the state pay for my training...not only will it give me additional education and training it will also extend my unemployment benifits, so I am persueing both classes,MCSE 2000 and CCNA, but maybe someone here could elaborate for me the CCNP program or better yet since I just read your link Viper, just where do you find a CCNP course?...btw thanks for the responses:)
 
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<< I will probably eventually get my CCNA/CCNP, & I my eventual goal is a MS in CS, plus CCIE. That could be a valuable combination. >>


Word to that. I'm going for Masters in Comp Engineering instead. I'll probably aim for either security or routing and switching. What do you think you'll want to go for ViperGTS? We needn't to underestimate these tests though. It'll be one of the hardest things you'll ever do.
 
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Security, most likely.

Got a long ways to go, though. I'm just now starting my CS degree. I have a lot of the base stuff out of the way, so all I have to do is re-take all the calculus courses I've forgotten & all the CS classes.

I can get a transfer degree to transfer as a junior to a 4 year school in two years taking very few credits (11 or less per term). That way I can keep working full time or nearly full time while I'm in school.

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ccie? I'm currently enrolled in the cisco program up here, finishing up my 4th class as a sr. in a couple of months. I thought it was ccne, whats the 'i' for?
 

Im currently in classes for MCSE and CCNA, both funded by the govt. after I was laid off.
The new MCSE 2000 track is completely different then NT4.0.
I have 3 core tests done, and currently in active directory class. You definatly need experience to back up the paper you achieve.

Cisco certs are definatly harder then Microsoft, and involve only one thing, Routing.
If you feel the It market is where you want to be, then these certs are definatly the right direction.

 
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Sammy, after your schooling, what do you think of the cert tests? are they as hard as some have portrayed? and do you feel the school portion adequately prepared you for the cert tests??
 
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for someone's who's passed 3 core tests for MCSE 2k so far, (pro serv and active dir.), I read the microsoft cirriculem (sp?), study the transcenders until i know them well (and know why the answers are what they are), then go over the braindumps a couple times. I passed server and directory services that way, pro i passed without the dumps. It takes me about a full week to do good studying for each test. If you work at it you'll do fine.
 



<< Sammy, after your schooling, what do you think of the cert tests? are they as hard as some have portrayed? and do you feel the school portion adequately prepared you for the cert tests?? >>



Well, thats hard to say. If you have a good instructor thats taken many tests, then they will be good at pointing out exam material.
As well as pointing out the differences between NT and 2K, which is a big tested idea on the exams.

The official books have most of what you need, but going to sites like braindumps.com and other assorted sites give you a good idea of the questions that are in circulation currently. But do not rely on the answers, just get an idea of what is being asked.

Pro and server were fairly easy in my opinion. The best advise I have is to learn how Microsoft asks its questions. That is about 50% of exam preparedness.

And as mrcide mentioned, a software called "trancendors" are a very useful tool.
 
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kamiam

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<< The best advise I have is to learn how Microsoft asks its questions. That is about 50% of exam preparedness. >>

yes that was true of the A+ test I took 3 years ago...the way it was worded was sometimes"funky"from what I have gathered its about to get harder for you...your current track becomes harder from this point forward...god luck
MrCide, thanks for the advice...as I did in getting the A+ cert I took the studying seriously and got top of my class honors...and I will persue these courses with the same vigor
 
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Ive heard the new A+ is much harder.
no more:
"A custimer calls and asks for help with his UPS, do you"

A. tell him/her to make sure its plugged it, and then stick a paper clip in one of the sockets.
B. tell him/her to take it apart and discard the capasitators.
C. tell him/her to send it in and you will fix it free of charge.
D. tell him/her to F*** off and send a large check to your address.
E. Hang up immidietly
 
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wiredspider

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So do female MCSE get VIP access to playgirl(is there such a mag?) photo shoots?
But, seriously anyone know what's it for?
 
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