eits
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? so what?
more black qbs have come into the super bowl since then, thereby increasing their scrutiny. society isn't colorblind... neither is football.
white receivers and running backs get put under the microscope, too.
it's just the way things are.
mcnabb saying that it's sad that it's sad that skin color has anything to do with his success as a quarterback. limbaugh was saying that mcnabb sucked and that he's only getting praise because he's black, which everyone knew was bullshit.
what mcnabb is saying now is that because he's black, he's a bigger story (whether he does well or poorly) than if carson palmer or peyton manning.
it makes perfect sense... white quarterbacks are common... it's the way things were for a long time. now that more black qbs are entering the nfl, it's becoming somewhat of an issue (not a bad one or anything... just something different). because it's new, journalists will always find a story involved in black qbs, whether it's because someone scrambles too much or if someone throws too hard or if someone's great at audibles or reading the defense, etc... and, likewise, whether they are sucking and why they're sucking.
no one gives a shit about philip rivers sucking, but they care if mcnabb or young or leftwich start sucking...
Yup, I just know I can't turn the sports page without seeing Ed mcf'inCaffrey plastered all over it. YA KNOW??
McNabb needs to get a hold of his life.
Yeah and when the f are they going to stop talking about TAVARIS JACKSON. I can't even watch sportscenter for 2 minutes before they keep talking about Tavaris Jackson over and over again.
And luckily Charlie Weis is white so the media doesn't care about him.
And luckily Charlie Weis is white so the media doesn't care about him.
eits
Lifer
journalists made a big deal about ed mccaffrey being good, same thing with drew bennett and mike alstott and john lynch... they didn't say it was because they were white and, therefore, uncharacteristically good for their position.
throwing = stereotypically, something whites are good at
running, jumping, cutting = stereotypically, something blacks are good at
so, whenever there's a roll reversal, the microscope is on whoever disrupts the happy medium... or whatever you'd like to call it.
Thus them being athletic as in comparison to other quarterbacks, which I said. who, honestly is disputing black players are far more athletic then their white conterparts overall? Look at the RB and WR superstars. Anyway, they can make plays with their feet and do. But, Vince Young is a pass first quarterback, unlike Vick who would run at the first sight of trouble. The coaching staff TOLD Young to run more last year. So if you looking at numbers, your right, if your looking at playing styles, sorry. Young is more like Mcnabb, but faster.
He needs work on his passing, but everyone knew that coming in. Also, outside of Eric Moulds, can a non-titans fan name a WR or TE without ESPN.com? I will say with confidence if you put him in Arizona in place of Matt Leinart, with those wide outs, his numbers would be MUCH better. Plus the kid is a Rookie, Vick had 6 (?) years to improve his pocket presence and passing, but was unable to. Lets come back in 2 years and check his numbers, provided the titans get some talent.
So like I said, they are black and athletic quarterbacks, but at this point you cant compare the two without forcing it. And to your last question, Jeff Garcia. First 5 years in the league he broke 300 yards three times including a 414 season. Id call that a "white" running quarterback.
IMO, it's because he's black that McNabb has been given a free pass over the years against some of the harsher criticism he deserves. He's been a good quarterback when he's had the talent around him, but nothing like what he's been built up to be. McNabb has been like Warren Moon, a good quarterback and better than most, but missing the consistency during the crucial times that would get him over the hump and make him great. To me, that's why he doesn't have the Superbowl ring, and is on my list of good, but not great, quarterbacks.
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MrChad
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Seriously? What talent? James Thrash, Todd Pinkston, Freddie Mitchell? Where was this great talent? Other than TO, the only Pro Bowl offensive help McNabb has had is the tight end, Chad Lewis.
The Eagles defense certainly helped their cause during those NFC Championship runs. Their faltering along with McNabb's injuries have hurt the Eagles' overall performance.
Fern
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Originally posted by: edro
Notice that my list does not have McNabb.Originally posted by: Cuda1447
You're full of shit and McNabb is a whining bitch. After every single bad play he throws his arms in the air and does this look of disgust. He's got an ego problem and seriously overrates his own ability.
Ya know what, fuck. You're right. And now that I think about it, its because of racism that there are very few good white running backs. Hell, I can't even think of a starting white running back right now. And whites make up a large majority of the population, we should see a hell of a lot more. Coaches just make the white boys plump up and play linemen cause they are racist.
Get a freaking grip. Stop being a whining bastard like McNabb.
I do not like him either and he is not a great QB.
What is your hypothesis for the lack of good black QBs?
Why does there need to be one?
Where are all the good Asian & Hispanic QB's?
At Florida State we had Charlie Ward (a black QB), the Hiesman winner, but he choose to play basketball. Why? IDK.
There are black QB's all the over the place, whether in high school or college. But any attempt to answer your question will just draw charges of racism.
Fern
Face it there is racism in society. But it isnt just white on black racism. It comes in all flavors. White on black. Black on white. etc.
For McNabb to say that black QBs are more criticized than white QBs is absolute crap.
Peyton Manning got absolutely KILLED in the media until he won a super bowl. He doesnt get criticized anymore, BECAUSE HE WON THE SUPER BOWL>>> Let him go three years losing to the Pats Or Steelers in a big AFC playoff game and guess what? They will start dogging him again. They will say he got lucky in 2006.
Like Billy martin once said. I dont care if Hitler or Moussalini (sp?) played on my team if they helped me win.
Same goes for fans everywhere. They dont care if you are black, white, yellow, red, pink with purple polk-a-dots... If you can bring a trophy to their town, guess what, they will liek you no matter what color/race you are. But until you do, you will get criticized.
Ask Chad Pennington who was almost perfect on throws until he got injured last week and the home fans cheered his ass off the field. Ask Eli Manning, and he has only been playing for 3 years. Still not enough? Talk to Rex Grossman, who has probably been the MOST criticized player in all of sports the last year. How about Big Ben last year, who by the way was coming off a Super Bowl victory. Ask him how much shit he had to put up with.
I used to think McNabb was a decent player and actually felt bad for him when T.O. put the word out on him that he was a quitter.. Now I hope he gets yanked for AJ Feeley after they lose to the Lions next week.
For McNabb to say that black QBs are more criticized than white QBs is absolute crap.
Peyton Manning got absolutely KILLED in the media until he won a super bowl. He doesnt get criticized anymore, BECAUSE HE WON THE SUPER BOWL>>> Let him go three years losing to the Pats Or Steelers in a big AFC playoff game and guess what? They will start dogging him again. They will say he got lucky in 2006.
Like Billy martin once said. I dont care if Hitler or Moussalini (sp?) played on my team if they helped me win.
Same goes for fans everywhere. They dont care if you are black, white, yellow, red, pink with purple polk-a-dots... If you can bring a trophy to their town, guess what, they will liek you no matter what color/race you are. But until you do, you will get criticized.
Ask Chad Pennington who was almost perfect on throws until he got injured last week and the home fans cheered his ass off the field. Ask Eli Manning, and he has only been playing for 3 years. Still not enough? Talk to Rex Grossman, who has probably been the MOST criticized player in all of sports the last year. How about Big Ben last year, who by the way was coming off a Super Bowl victory. Ask him how much shit he had to put up with.
I used to think McNabb was a decent player and actually felt bad for him when T.O. put the word out on him that he was a quitter.. Now I hope he gets yanked for AJ Feeley after they lose to the Lions next week.
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Inspector Jihad
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I think McNabb has an absolutely valid point about racism. Here in Chicago, our white QB Rex Grossman has never received any criticism in the media, he was never discussed as being the worst SB QB in the history of the NFL. Grossman's certainly never been booed by the fans at Soldier Field. Nope. All the criticism is reserved for the black QBs. And there's certainly nothing to it that McNabb plays in the city with the most disgruntled fans who boo anyone anytime regardless of race.
eits
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McNabb clarified himself by giving an example that reporters question his passing accuracy, and ask him about being a mobile QB more than white QBs such as Steve Young... perhaps the most accurate QB in NFL history, and McNabb uses him as the example of the differences. Sorry, McNabb, the difference is that Steve Young is a better QB than you, not that he's whiter than you.
Right..they question his accuracy because it's not there, as especially evidenced in the last few games.
And they're asking him about his mobility because he used to be a running qb, and now he's turned into Dan Marino.
If Steve Young, John Elway, or whoever else out there suddenly stopped running midway through their career, they'd get questioned about it too, the same way that Vince Young would if he suddenly became strictly a pocket passer.
And they're asking him about his mobility because he used to be a running qb, and now he's turned into Dan Marino.
If Steve Young, John Elway, or whoever else out there suddenly stopped running midway through their career, they'd get questioned about it too, the same way that Vince Young would if he suddenly became strictly a pocket passer.
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Young said he respects every quarterback in the NFL and that everyone is entitled to his opinion.
?That?s not my fight to fight. Right now over here the Tennessee Titans, we?re trying to go to the playoffs. I can?t worry about all the other stuff going on,? Young said.
Wilbon just butchered Vince for giving this comment.
?That?s not my fight to fight. Right now over here the Tennessee Titans, we?re trying to go to the playoffs. I can?t worry about all the other stuff going on,? Young said.
Wilbon just butchered Vince for giving this comment.
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It's true, but any sportscaster would would say that on air would get fired just like Rush did.
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