McLaren stripped of all 2007 constructors points!

JulesMaximus

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McLaren loses all constructors' points
Thursday, 13, September, 2007, 18:38


The FIA World Motor Sport Council has disqualified McLaren from the 2007 constructors' championship and imposed the largest fine in motorsport history ? but Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso can continue to vie for the drivers' crown.


After nine hours of deliberations at the hearing in Paris, the 26-member World Council panel decided to punish the Woking-based team for breaking the sporting regulations by possessing confidential Ferrari data.


But while the decision to exclude McLaren from the constructors' contest hands that title to Ferrari, McLaren's drivers have escaped a penalty.


Hamilton and Alonso's battle for the world championship will therefore continue unaffected in the remaining four rounds.


The fine of $100m (£49.2 million) will be offset against the television income the team would have earned had it been eligible for constructors' points, but remains the largest in the sport's history.


?The WMSC has stripped Vodafone McLaren Mercedes of all constructor points in the 2007 FIA Formula One World Championship and the team can score no points for the remainder of the season," the FIA said in a statement.


?Furthermore, the team will pay a fine equal to $100m, less the FOM income lost as a result of the points deduction.


?However, due to the exceptional circumstances in which the FIA gave the team?s drivers an immunity in return for providing evidence, there is no penalty in regard to drivers? points."


McLaren will also have to present its 2008 car for examination by the FIA before the start of next season.


?The WMSC will receive a full technical report on the 2008 McLaren car and will take a decision at its December 2007 meeting as to what sanction, if any, will be imposed on the team for the 2008 season,? read the statement.

This is huge. I wonder if their engine partner Mercedes is having second thoughts about the sport. I wonder how this will affect one of the strongest teams on the grid for next year.

I'm glad the drivers get to keep their points in the Driver's Championship though. If they stripped Alonso and Hamilton of their points I don't think I'd even bother watching the last few races of the season.

Hamilton is leading Alonso in the World Driver's Championship by a mere 3 points.
 

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repost , but this title is better than the earlier (by only 6 minutes) thread

is this the one where they only turn left? or do they turn both ways in this?
is this the one with danica patrick?
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: FoBoT
repost , but this title is better than the earlier (by only 6 minutes) thread

is this the one where they only turn left? or do they turn both ways in this?
is this the one with danica patrick?

No, this is Formula One. Think Michael Schumacher...even though he retired last year.

Edit-And I did a search for McLaren but came up with nothing pertaining to this story.
 

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Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: FoBoT
repost , but this title is better than the earlier (by only 6 minutes) thread

is this the one where they only turn left? or do they turn both ways in this?
is this the one with danica patrick?

No, this is Formula One. Think Michael Schumacher...even though he retired last year.

Edit-And I did a search for McLaren but came up with nothing pertaining to this story.

Oh yeah, this is the one where there's only six cars! :)
 

JulesMaximus

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Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: JulesMaximus
Originally posted by: FoBoT
repost , but this title is better than the earlier (by only 6 minutes) thread

is this the one where they only turn left? or do they turn both ways in this?
is this the one with danica patrick?

No, this is Formula One. Think Michael Schumacher...even though he retired last year.

Edit-And I did a search for McLaren but came up with nothing pertaining to this story.

Oh yeah, this is the one where there's only six cars! :)

22 cars actually. Constructors like Ferrari, McLaren, BMW, Honda and Toyota.
 

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what a farce .. should have banned the drivers too ... its like saying you get jail for robbing the bank but you can keep using the money ... guilty is guilty ...

Anyhoo Ferrari is 2007 Constructors Champion .... Woohooo
 

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my guess is the pats will see nothing like that kind of penalty.
 

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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
What did they do...?

Stole confidential information from Ferrari.

Need more info. Did they steal it or buy it?

Supposedly, a Ferrari employee gave them some technical documents on their 2007 car. Which raises some red flags (not Ferrari flags either) in and of itself.
 

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For those unaware, F1 is the most widely-watched spectator sport in the world, so this has huge ramifications (potentially, as no doubt McLaren will appeal).

FACT is, McLaren never had a fair chance in this so-called "court". For starters, Ferrari has thrice as many reps on the council as any other motorsport team. The council also includes a former Ferrari CEO. And when people like Jackie Stewart, Stirling Moss, et al, who actually know what goes on behind the scenes of the circus, come out in defense of McLaren by declaring that Ferrari has always received favoritism from the FIA and WMSC (ie. more $'s, looking the other way when they cheat, etc.), you know that McLaren did not get a fair shake. Ron Dennis may be a control freak but he is the last of the true motorsporting "gentlemen" in F1 and nearly the entire paddock consider him to be of the highest integrity. Obviously Jean Todt and Max Mosley think otherwise, but they are quite lonely in their opinion, and both have very well-documented, long-running personal vendettas against Ron Dennis.

All the politics aside, anyone who thinks McLaren's car is winning/benefiting from this so-called leak of Ferrari tech info is pretty clueless. Mike Coughlan testified under oath that he received the data from Nigel Stepney in late March of 2007, and by then the season was underway, with the cars' design having been completed most likely in October of 2006 at the latest. Lead time to construction (from design) in F1 is insanely short compared to any other industry I know of but it still takes time to produce tooling, construct the componentry, assemble the cars, hit the windtunnel ... only to have to pass crash/safety testing before you can even hit the test track for the first time. Then you need time for tweaking once you start getting test data. In other words, if next year's car design isn't done by the end of the current season, you're waaaaaay behind the competition already. On top of all that, the word is that this technical info mostly involves only setup info, so does the punishment really fit the crime ? The FIA will release its entire findings today, so we MAY find there is more that hasn't come to public light. Only then would such a ruling and fine even begin to make sense.

One really has to wonder why Ferrari wasn't punished for their serious design rules infraction this year ? Specifically for their "moving floor" design which the FIA subsequently declared illegal AFTER Ferrari had already won race(s) with the design in place ? Ferrari lost no points, incurred no fines. Just like last year when they were busted for aero elements that flexed in violation of the rules. Or a couple years before that when their rear diffuser was ruled in violation. In each instance they merely were allowed to rework their car. I can see them maybe getting off for the flexing elements, as BMW was supposedly doing some devious things as well and had to make similar mods to their car, but that's the exception.

One also has to wonder why the Ferrari/Toyota espionage case of a few years ago did not reach the same level as this "inquisition". In this instance, stolen technology was ACTUALLY FOUND ON THE CARS involved. End result was the same, no penalties for Ferrari (or Toyota).

In the end it's quite apparent that Ferrari receives unprecedented favoritism in F1, though no doubt assisted by Mosley's grudge(s) against Dennis. Further, if they were winning, this matter wouldn't even have made a headline. I think Enzo must be rolling in his grave right now as this "scandal", plus the past decade of win-at-all-costs and poor sportsmanship with the "Cheatmacher" at the drivers helm has made Ferrari in to nothing more than a house of whingers and whiners. Beyond the blind tifosi, Ferrari has lost a HUGE amount of respect in the motorsports world.

Still, I'll be rooting for Kimi to put the ungrateful young punk (aka Lewis Hamilton) in his place come race day ... :D
 
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this is a shame for the sport really.

i dont believe mclaren used the documents, at least not knowingly..... this whole thing is simply between Nigel Stepney and Mike Coughlin, they are the two that were in cahoots with each other, they are the ones that should be taking the rap for being so unprofessional. gotta love the FIA, their ferrari bias has been apparent for years, if this was the other way round we wouldnt of even seen court action. theyre not Known as FIArrari for nothing.

this has ruined the sport IMO, but at least they didnt decapitate the sport completely by stripping hamilton and alonso's points.

this weekend is the best race of them all too, te return to Spa in belgium..... this has put a literal dampner on the whole weekend where fans are supposed to be rejoicing at the return to this spectacle of a track. Eau Rouge FTW!

apparently the Fine was £50million, however theres some work around with regards to constructors points so far that means Mclaren only pay half of the fine. i dont quite get it but there you go.

this is just another example of Ferrari using politics to win races and sour the atmosphere in the pits (throwing rivals concentration), because obviously their cars/drivers just arent up to the task. its just like them to resort to tactics like these when their prancing horses arent delivering on track. Schumacher brought alot to that team in terms of attitude and mentallity to racing, but it would seem he also taught them how to be dirty at the same time.
 
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Originally posted by: Kelvrick
Originally posted by: Demon-Xanth
Originally posted by: Toastedlightly
What did they do...?

Stole confidential information from Ferrari.

Need more info. Did they steal it or buy it?

no

i man from ferrari was in contact with one man from mclaren and he passed confidential technical info.

what didnt happen was the mclaren team actively trying to spy on their rivals, what happened was soley between those two men without it being in the knowledge of either team principles.

Ron Dennis, absolutely, certainly would not allow actions such as spying to occur....that is not the type of man he is.

Jean Todt wouldnt allow it either, but i actually wouldnt put it passed him, i've never liked the french man, he always comes across as a twat in interviews.