McDonald's throws a tantrum - wants dictionaries to remove "McJob".

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
This reminds me of when the Google lawyers sent letters to a large number of magazines demanding that they stop using the word Google has a verb, eg "Try Googling snakes on a plane". They say it was cheapening the brand.

Really, they have to do that. If you have a trademark and you don't defend it, then you really have no recourse when it becomes the common term for similar products, like cellophane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark
 

3chordcharlie

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Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Originally posted by: Ausm
Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
"a low-paying job that required little skill and provides little opportunity of advancement"

Seems to me that definition is still accurate. If McDonalds doesn't like it maybe they should increase their McWages and only hire college grads.

The benefit I got when I worked at McDonald's was a McHandjob.


Ausm
O RLY?
I never got one of those when I worked there.

Market dictates how much a job is worth. Not so much McDonalds.
True, McDonald's simply chooses what quality of employee they want. They're pretty big, but not big enough to dictate the entire low-skill job market.
 

iamaelephant

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
This reminds me of when the Google lawyers sent letters to a large number of magazines demanding that they stop using the word Google has a verb, eg "Try Googling snakes on a plane". They say it was cheapening the brand.

Really, they have to do that. If you have a trademark and you don't defend it, then you really have no recourse when it becomes the common term for similar products, like cellophane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark

I don't blame Google, I really do thin k it was cheapening their brand. Of course the word "google" and "googling" as verbs remain in very common usage now anyway. I think they were too late.
 

silverpig

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Originally posted by: RaistlinZ
"a low-paying job that required little skill and provides little opportunity of advancement"

Seems to me that definition is still accurate. If McDonalds doesn't like it maybe they should increase their McWages and only hire college grads.

They do. They're called philosophy majors.
 

Quasmo

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
I do agree that 'McJob' is better suited for The Urban Dictionary than M-W - what is Merriam-Webster thinking? I totally understand McDonald's resentment.

Maybe they're trying to make the dictionary seem more "hip." Next year's edition will contain additions such as "dirty sanchez," "donkey punch" and "screeched."

But definitely not mexican avalanche. We know what happens when you post the definition of that.

EDIT: Spelling, I need a dictionary.
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: sdifox
But it says McJob, not McDonaldJob. What is their basis for complaint?

Because McDonalds owns EVERYTHING labeled Mc... How many places have been sued over the years over their use of Mc***, because MickeyD's claimed it was an infringment on their name?
 

pontifex

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Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
This reminds me of when the Google lawyers sent letters to a large number of magazines demanding that they stop using the word Google has a verb, eg "Try Googling snakes on a plane". They say it was cheapening the brand.

Really, they have to do that. If you have a trademark and you don't defend it, then you really have no recourse when it becomes the common term for similar products, like cellophane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark

I don't blame Google, I really do thin k it was cheapening their brand. Of course the word "google" and "googling" as verbs remain in very common usage now anyway. I think they were too late.

how is it cheapening their brand?

when someone says to google something, i go to google and search.
i don't go to yahoo and search.
 

Zenmervolt

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Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
I do agree that 'McJob' is better suited for The Urban Dictionary than M-W - what is Merriam-Webster thinking? I totally understand McDonald's resentment.
Most dictionaries are nothing more than compendiums of common words and their commonly-used definitions. Words are added and removed all the time. The term is in common use and therefore absolutely does belong in a true dictionary.

ZV
 

rockyct

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Originally posted by: pontifex
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: iamaelephant
This reminds me of when the Google lawyers sent letters to a large number of magazines demanding that they stop using the word Google has a verb, eg "Try Googling snakes on a plane". They say it was cheapening the brand.

Really, they have to do that. If you have a trademark and you don't defend it, then you really have no recourse when it becomes the common term for similar products, like cellophane. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark

I don't blame Google, I really do thin k it was cheapening their brand. Of course the word "google" and "googling" as verbs remain in very common usage now anyway. I think they were too late.

how is it cheapening their brand?

when someone says to google something, i go to google and search.
i don't go to yahoo and search.

Well, "to google it" has basically replaced " to search for it online." While you don't go to yahoo or msn, a lot of people do and they use the term google even if it's not at Google. At any rate, Google is just showing that they are trying to defend their brand. I think as long as they prove that they are defending the name Google, they can't lose it.
 

mrjminer

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McDonald's Corp. on Tuesday restarted its push to get the word "McJob" removed from dictionaries -- and has set its sights on the gold standard of lexicons, the Oxford English Dictionary.

It doesn't really matter if they "get it removed from the OED." The OED tracks language as it has been used throughout the course of history. Firstly, this indicates that McJob will never be out of the OED, as it has been historically observed to be a widely-accepted term of reference. Secondly, it will only be listed as an outdated word when people stop using it; I think we all know the odds of that happening any time soon, considering that people carry on with their stereotypes for hundreds or thousands of years. So, long after McDonald's falls, people will still refer to low-paying, low-skill positions as McJobs.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: mrjminer
McDonald's Corp. on Tuesday restarted its push to get the word "McJob" removed from dictionaries -- and has set its sights on the gold standard of lexicons, the Oxford English Dictionary.

It doesn't really matter if they "get it removed from the OED." The OED tracks language as it has been used throughout the course of history. Firstly, this indicates that McJob will never be out of the OED, as it has been historically observed to be a widely-accepted term of reference. Secondly, it will only be listed as an outdated word when people stop using it; I think we all know the odds of that happening any time soon, considering that people carry on with their stereotypes for hundreds or thousands of years. So, long after McDonald's falls, people will still refer to low-paying, low-skill positions as McJobs.

The thing is, I (and apparently others here) have never heard anyone refer to a low-skill, low-paying job as a McJob.

So I wonder how commonly used it really is.
 

BoomerD

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Gotta wonder where all you folks who claim to have never heard this before, have been for the past several years? Ever since Bush took office, and so many of yhe new jobs created have been low-paying service jobs, this phrase has been pretty commonly used to describe them.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: trmiv
Originally posted by: sdifox
But it says McJob, not McDonaldJob. What is their basis for complaint?

It's pretty McObvious what it's McReferring to, isn't it?

It would not hold water in the court of law is what I am getting at. McDonald's past successes in suing fast food joints that have a similar name is very different from this particular issue.

Besides, it's like like MW defined it, it just decided that the use is common enough to incorporate into the dictionary.
 

CTrain

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This was a big commotion about 6 months ago.

Anyhow, McDonalds do offer plenty of advancement.
If you set your sight on it, you can become a crew to store manager in a year, easily in 2 years.
I know that for a fact cause I became a store manager in 7 months but I did know people in the franchise.
I've seen plenty crew people become a store manager in less than 2 yrs time.
While its not the greatest job in the world, store managers clear $50K easy w/ bonuses.

I personally hate it but making $50k a year is not a bad gig and I wouldn't call working at McDoanlds a dead end job.
 

Metron

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You may be too young to remember...

From Text

History
McJob was in use at least as early as 1986, according to the Oxford English Dictionary, which defines it as "An unstimulating, low-paid job with few prospects, esp. one created by the expansion of the service sector."[1] It was popularised in 1991 in Douglas Coupland's novel Generation X: Tales for an Accelerated Culture as one of the margin definitions. It was described as "a low-pay, low-prestige, low-dignity, low benefit, no-future job in the service sector. Frequently considered a satisfying career choice by people who have never held one".[2] The novel never uses the term in reference to McDonald's, though; Andy, the book's narrator, uses the term only once, in reference to the bartending job that his friend Dag does.[2]

The term is used to emphasize the perception that many desirable middle-class jobs are being eliminated[citation needed], either due to productivity gains (often the result of automation[citation needed]) or due to the shifting of operations to second- or third-world countries where labour costs are cheaper. For example, manufacturing, call-centre, accounting, and computer programming jobs are not as abundant in developed countries as they used to be[citation needed], as firms have looked abroad to meet these needs, frustrating many people who used to work in these industries. Such displaced workers often spent many years gaining specialized education, training, and experience, and are reluctant to start over in a new industry at the bottom rung.

 

JC86

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this reminds me of the Chappelle Show episode when Chappelle gets a job a Wackarnolds . . .
 

3chordcharlie

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McDonald's offers more advancement than many places, and - while we're at it - helathier food than KFC. But the dictionary isn't telling people what word to use, it's recording what word they are using.

McDonald's doesn't need the word out of the dictionary, they need to convince people to stop using it. People are pretty stupid of course, and this may be tough to do. Telling the truth certainly won't help.:(
 

AMDZen

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: sdifox
But it says McJob, not McDonaldJob. What is their basis for complaint?

OH! Clearly it's not a reference to McDonald's. How silly of them to think that. :confused:

I'd be annoyed too if my name was tied to every crappy job when really McDonald's is only responsible for a small portion of the crappy jobs in this country. :D I guess Wal-Job doesn't have a nice ring to it.

Would an iJob be a job that pays more than it's worth?

I completely agree with you, iJob made me LOL too - thanks for that