I completely agree with you, RD. I know a few Hillary supporters who don't like Obama and when I try to pin them down on exactly what they don't like the answer is, 'I don't know, I just don't like him'. Uh, huh...
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I completely agree with you, RD. I know a few Hillary supporters who don't like Obama and when I try to pin them down on exactly what they don't like the answer is, 'I don't know, I just don't like him'. Uh, huh...
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"For Obama being considered one of the strongest youngest democrats running one of the best campaigns in recent memory. That sure does make you wonder the claims about McCain running a terrible campaign. The guy is pretty much a living corpse and in a dead heat with the goldenboy from IL. Either McCain is running a better campaign thant people give him credit for, or Obama isnt running that great of a campaign.
Considering where Obama polls to a generic democrat. I think it is definately a combination of a decent McCain push and an uninspiring Obama campaign. This should be a cakewalk"
Gee - what factor might there be that's keeping Obama's polling numbers down....hmm.........I don't know - how about the fact that he's a black man? How many states does that immediately render him as a non-factor in? I can think of at least 4. Sad but true facts in America today.
Also, this BS about supporters of Clinton voting for McCain - let me see if I have this straight - Obama & Hillary are on the same side of the discussion in pretty much every major issue - but her supporters are going to abandon all of those things because they are mad? Please. Anyone who was going to vote for Hillary based on issues is still going to vote for Obama. The only people that might switch are people that were on the fence anyway, or people who vote based on stupid factors like "I like the sound of that name".
McCain is old, has nothing new to offer, and is stuck by the similarities in his policies to those of the current administration.
Obama is a new face, isn't tied to Bush in any way, shape, or form - was against the disaster that we call the Iraq war from the beginning (but the surge is working - see!), and, if he wasn't a black man, would be another 10-15 points up in the polls. His pick of Biden is a solid one - of course the right will tell you that it doesn't go along with the "change" message, but of course had he picked a virtual unknown it would be more of the 'not prepared' BS, so there was no way out of that one.
I can't wait for this election to be over.
Considering where Obama polls to a generic democrat. I think it is definately a combination of a decent McCain push and an uninspiring Obama campaign. This should be a cakewalk"
Gee - what factor might there be that's keeping Obama's polling numbers down....hmm.........I don't know - how about the fact that he's a black man? How many states does that immediately render him as a non-factor in? I can think of at least 4. Sad but true facts in America today.
Also, this BS about supporters of Clinton voting for McCain - let me see if I have this straight - Obama & Hillary are on the same side of the discussion in pretty much every major issue - but her supporters are going to abandon all of those things because they are mad? Please. Anyone who was going to vote for Hillary based on issues is still going to vote for Obama. The only people that might switch are people that were on the fence anyway, or people who vote based on stupid factors like "I like the sound of that name".
McCain is old, has nothing new to offer, and is stuck by the similarities in his policies to those of the current administration.
Obama is a new face, isn't tied to Bush in any way, shape, or form - was against the disaster that we call the Iraq war from the beginning (but the surge is working - see!), and, if he wasn't a black man, would be another 10-15 points up in the polls. His pick of Biden is a solid one - of course the right will tell you that it doesn't go along with the "change" message, but of course had he picked a virtual unknown it would be more of the 'not prepared' BS, so there was no way out of that one.
I can't wait for this election to be over.
1. She's never been anti-war as much as anti execution of the war, and has had the guts not to apologize for her war vote.
2. Clinton further displayed tough talk in an interview airing on ?Good Morning America? Tuesday. ABC News? Chris Cuomo asked Clinton what she would do if Iran attacked Israel with nuclear weapons.
?I want the Iranians to know that if I?m the president, we will attack Iran,? Clinton said. ?In the next 10 years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.?
It's hardly out of the ordinary to support generic Democratic values on domestic issues and yet want a candidate with this type of foreign policy.
You want them to tell the truth and ruin their career...Originally posted by: Robor
I completely agree with you, RD. I know a few Hillary supporters who don't like Obama and when I try to pin them down on exactly what they don't like the answer is, 'I don't know, I just don't like him'. Uh, huh...
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You BHO supporters are spoiled, you want to go on and on about McCain, his wife, his ex-wife, but someone dare say something about ur minority status and his life is over...
lupi
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Yeah, he's running the terrible. That's why your messiahs campaign staff is starting to get worried about that 30-40 something % of hillary supporters whom said they would vote for mccain before hussein; only to have the leftist loons shout about how that would never happen and they'd be in the fold by the convention.
Well skippy, time to check the polls cause it's convention time and those supporters are keeping to their word a lot more than not.
Well skippy, time to check the polls cause it's convention time and those supporters are keeping to their word a lot more than not.
Red Dawn
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Blacks are going to vote Democrat anyway. I also don't think McCain is going to get that vote, I just don't believe that many of them are going to bother to vote. I still believe that Obama will win though as those who will vote don't want to endure another 4 years of the last 8.
Blacks make up 10% of the country. White make up 70%+ of the country. Your logic would imply that for every White racist there are 7 black ones. What makes it even more bizarre is that Blacks are the traditional victims of racism.
Your point makes no sense.
JD50
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Obama still managed to beat Hillary, even with all of the racist Democrats voting against him. If whites are as racist as you guys seem to think, then obviously the only explanation is that black racists canceled out the white racists votes. And what does the bold have to do with the fact that blacks are racists too? This race card stuff is fun, I can see why you guys keep going back to it.
So she didn't apologize for her war vote and supported the invasion of Iraq despite the fact that they didn't have WMD's and ties to 9/11? Gotcha. Better to be stubborn than wrong. I guess you're right then. In that regard she is more like McCain than Obama. Of course, she's also more like Bush. Congrats on proving me wrong.
Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran, right? We definitely need more wars and what better way than threaten another middle east country. McCain should just pick Hillary.
Well, genius, the people that voted in the democratic primaries are democrats. When they poll citizens for the general election, it's everyone. Going from a Democratic primary to the general election doesn't make it any easier now, does it? BTW, no one said most white Americans are racists, but seeing that most xenophobes and racists are not in the democratic party, it isn't much of a stretch to see that the gap is so narrow in these polls. Some people will NEVER vote for a black person.
Oh, I see that you ignored the numbers to make another lame point. Keep trying.
JD50
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I seriously doubt that 5% of the white vote is going to vote against Obama because he's black. But I agree with your overall point that it isn't going to matter, and he's going to win anyways, which is why this whole race card thing is getting really old. If Obama loses it will be even worse, because the only possible explanation for Obama not getting elected is obviously racism, you're already starting to see it.
Blackjack200
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Yes. It can't possibly be racism. Wow, what an incredible coincidence that the first 43 presidents were all white men.
I would not have voted for Obama in the primaries if Bush wasn't so wildly unpopular - he would've been steamrolled. The fact that a white, ex-military, career politician that governs to please the establishment is tied with a black progressive with a middle name of Hussain speaks volumes about the complete disaster that was the Bush administration.
Unfortunately it speaks volumes about the voters in this country too.
Simple question: If Obama was white and McCain was black, what would they be polling? My guess is about 60-40, maybe even 65-35.
I would not have voted for Obama in the primaries if Bush wasn't so wildly unpopular - he would've been steamrolled. The fact that a white, ex-military, career politician that governs to please the establishment is tied with a black progressive with a middle name of Hussain speaks volumes about the complete disaster that was the Bush administration.
Unfortunately it speaks volumes about the voters in this country too.
Simple question: If Obama was white and McCain was black, what would they be polling? My guess is about 60-40, maybe even 65-35.
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