Fern
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Originally posted by: Harvey
That should be enough for California to boot his double talking ass to the next planet.
Ummm. Under his plan, lifting the federal ban means that California gets to decide if they wanna drill.
California doesn't have to do it.
It just means more power to the states. They get to decide.
He isn't going to win CA no matter what he does anyway.
Fern
Originally posted by: Fern
Originally posted by: Harvey
That should be enough for California to boot his double talking ass to the next planet.
Ummm. Under his plan, lifting the federal ban means that California gets to decide if they wanna drill.
California doesn't have to do it.
It just means more power to the states. They get to decide.
Great thinking there, Fern, except when the state next to yours decides to fuck the coastline, oil spills and the wildlife they kill don't know squat about state borders.
More evidence that Californians really are smarter.
brandonbull
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Oh goodie, they want to drill closer to shore in FL and CA. So in 10 years the price of oil should come down?
I guess those idiots in DC haven't learned yet. I guess they want to go back to the Reagan years with cheap oil and no alternative energy development.
I guess those idiots in DC haven't learned yet. I guess they want to go back to the Reagan years with cheap oil and no alternative energy development.
The majority of Americans want offshore drilling, and not by just a little bit. Unfortunatley, the minority seems to run this country. Right wing and Left wing nut jobs always seem to get there way.
And how and from where did you conjure up these statistics? Here's what America's Public Enemy #1 is saying:
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Market full of oil, price trend "fake": Ahmadinejad
"At a time when the growth of consumption is lower than the growth of production and the market is full of oil, prices are rising and this trend is completely fake and imposed," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a televised speech.
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People have cottoned on to the fact that this is the same as the Enron engineered fake California electricity shortages crisis. What the people want is for some oil company heads to roll for price-gouging and windfall taxes which won't happen as long as Bush and his oil barons are in control.
When the market for oil was soft, these guys went on a consolidation binge and have become the antithesis of competition. Now they're engineering a price rise far out of proportion to supply and demand. And they're crying wolf and saying that they need to gobble up areas that should be kept in trust for future generations.
They can't have have everything their way. What we need a Standard Oil kind of breakup of the Oilopolies.
BTW,
I am all for high oil prices. For too long the oil industry has gotten fat on it's energy distribution monopoly. My hope is that it will price itself out of the energy market and thus allow alternate forms of energy to take root. My fear is that, after this price gouging episode, it will fall back to levels where everyone forgets about the pain and thus allow these oil pushers to continue to ply their trade through their street corner gas stations.
I am all for high oil prices. For too long the oil industry has gotten fat on it's energy distribution monopoly. My hope is that it will price itself out of the energy market and thus allow alternate forms of energy to take root. My fear is that, after this price gouging episode, it will fall back to levels where everyone forgets about the pain and thus allow these oil pushers to continue to ply their trade through their street corner gas stations.
if it didn't happen during the embargo, I doubt they're going to price themselves out of business now.
a vast vast vast portion of our economic and cultural society relies on gas, and even if we dump all the money we can into research, there's nothing on the immediate horizon that's going to eliminate oil usage overnight.
a vast vast vast portion of our economic and cultural society relies on gas, and even if we dump all the money we can into research, there's nothing on the immediate horizon that's going to eliminate oil usage overnight.
http://www.rasmussenreports.co...t_it_will_lower_prices
"A new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey?conducted before McCain announced his intentions on the issue--finds that 67% of voters believe that drilling should be allowed off the coasts of California, Florida and other states. Only 18% disagree and 15% are undecided. Conservative and moderate voters strongly support this approach, while liberals are more evenly divided (46% of liberals favor drilling, 37% oppose). "
Hell, even Liberals support offshore drilling. How do you like that.
So you want the USA to have a realistic energy policy, but you dont want to drill for oil. So what do your propose to deal with the energy policy and Gasoline at $4.00 gal or higher? You have to be realistic. I guess the USA doesnt really want a real energy policy, because the Democrats live in a pie in the sky.
As far as trusting the Chinese to drill for oil, I just saw a show on public television tonight and at other times that they Chinese are massively horrible polluters, and the main culprit is companies that are owned by the Chinese Government.
What about the Monroe Doctrine?
So if the Chinese have a drilling accident it is highly likely the gulf coast or the coast of Florida could be devastated. Not only that but the fishing around Cuba could be completely ruined. So it matters not if we decide to drill or not. If we will not someone else will just steal the oil by hook or crook. Oil drilling is not straight line drilling anymore.
As far as trusting the Chinese to drill for oil, I just saw a show on public television tonight and at other times that they Chinese are massively horrible polluters, and the main culprit is companies that are owned by the Chinese Government.
What about the Monroe Doctrine?
So if the Chinese have a drilling accident it is highly likely the gulf coast or the coast of Florida could be devastated. Not only that but the fishing around Cuba could be completely ruined. So it matters not if we decide to drill or not. If we will not someone else will just steal the oil by hook or crook. Oil drilling is not straight line drilling anymore.
Yes absolutely! Which means they can drill an inch over the US EEZ which is technically in Cuban waters! In the meantime, the US cannot even drill in its own 50 mile EEZ! So what difference does it make to you with regards to oil spill! We're talking less than a foot difference here in distance. So if a major oil spill happens on the Cuban EEZ right there at the junction of the US EEZ and it drifted towards the US, the Chinese should clean and pay damages right? Does that make a difference if it was US doing the oil drilling and also the paying in case of oil spill? We're talking about getting out of oil dependency and high energy prices not to mention jobs!
I gave this issue some more thought last night and my stance has become a little more flexible. In order for me to support offshore drilling I would need the following set in stone before a single bit of exploration even takes place:
1. I want a fully blown out review of all safety procedures and regulations regarding offshore drilling which ensure no spills. I want every single line of writing to be updated to what should be today's standards.
2. I want to require these drilling companies to have 100% updated all of their equipment and inspections to be performed before they even load the stuff on a boat.
3. I want qualified inspectors to be required to give all rigs and equipment a thorough inspection semi-annually. One of these inspections will be required before hurricane season begins allowing an adequate amount of time to repair and replace anything that is deemed necessary. In addition, I want someone there whose job is to make sure that the inspector is doing their job properly. Checks and balances is the name of the game here.
4. I want written promises which state that zero refineries will be built in any of the states whose borders contain shores near these new rigs.
5. I want written promises stating that a percentage of the money that is earned by this new oil goes strictly towards the development of a realistic alternative solution to oil and the transformation of the United States so that it adapts to this solution. I want those promises to include realistic deadlines. Should those deadlines not be met, I expect those percentages to be increased in order to expedite the progress.
6. No outsourcing what so ever.
7. I want thorough annual audits to be performed on all companies involved with these processes. This is not the time to be wasting money or not dedicating enough money to areas which ensure quality.
This may sound harsh, but I think it can be done while still achieving a ton of profit and lowering prices across America. It is all about quality, efficiency, and proper spending. Who wouldn't want that aside from those who feast on the fruits of the profit?
1. I want a fully blown out review of all safety procedures and regulations regarding offshore drilling which ensure no spills. I want every single line of writing to be updated to what should be today's standards.
2. I want to require these drilling companies to have 100% updated all of their equipment and inspections to be performed before they even load the stuff on a boat.
3. I want qualified inspectors to be required to give all rigs and equipment a thorough inspection semi-annually. One of these inspections will be required before hurricane season begins allowing an adequate amount of time to repair and replace anything that is deemed necessary. In addition, I want someone there whose job is to make sure that the inspector is doing their job properly. Checks and balances is the name of the game here.
4. I want written promises which state that zero refineries will be built in any of the states whose borders contain shores near these new rigs.
5. I want written promises stating that a percentage of the money that is earned by this new oil goes strictly towards the development of a realistic alternative solution to oil and the transformation of the United States so that it adapts to this solution. I want those promises to include realistic deadlines. Should those deadlines not be met, I expect those percentages to be increased in order to expedite the progress.
6. No outsourcing what so ever.
7. I want thorough annual audits to be performed on all companies involved with these processes. This is not the time to be wasting money or not dedicating enough money to areas which ensure quality.
This may sound harsh, but I think it can be done while still achieving a ton of profit and lowering prices across America. It is all about quality, efficiency, and proper spending. Who wouldn't want that aside from those who feast on the fruits of the profit?
This is all fine and good except for one simple fact:
1: Katrina which was a huge natural disaster produced no oil leaks or spills to speak of.
2: The piece of paper that they would write all this shit down on is totally ridiculous compared to the fact that THEY want to avoid spilling oil AT ALL COSTS. It costs them so much money which is the bottom line for these companies, not your paper.
3: Refineries need to be built anyways, that is another huge problem with this situation. If you want all this added oil with no ability to refine it then you might as well leave it in the ground.
In response to each point in that order:
1. That's great. Let's keep it that way. My requests should help ensure that.
2. Always nice to know there is more incentive than what is written on paper. I still want the papers though. I don't care if some consider it redundant. One thing that is for certain is that putting it all on paper will not make the situation worse.
3. I should clarify. I said I don't want any refineries in those states, but what I really meant is that I don't want them anywhere near the shores of those states. Keep them away from the water and beaches. I don't care if that is more inconvenient or expensive. Quality assurance costs money.
Blaming Reagan? How lame. What alternative energy source did we switch to during the Clinton years?
Bet you didn't know that offshore drilling is what Tim Russert would have wanted: http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/17/issa-russert/
brandonbull
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Under Carter didn't the US make moves to help development and fund alternative energy sources? Didn't the Gipper reverse that?
1. Already done.
2. Already done.
3. Already done. If current policy was good enough to make it through Katrina without spilling a drop, whats the problem?
4. WTH? No refineries near the source?
5. Talk to your politicians on that one. They oil companies already pay royalties. Talk to .gov about how you want it spent.
6. We export a TON of oil personnel/expertise. We import very little.
7. ???
Good for McCain I am glad he came to his senses and can see how bad people are hurting over this. I can only imagine how bad it is going to get this winter if nothing is done. Lots of people in my area use fuel oil to heat their homes during the cold Minnesota winter. I can see many families having to choose between heat and food this winter if nothing is done. The high gas prices are not hurting the rich guy who drives a hummer or Esclade. It hurts the people who drive old cars that get crappy MPG because they can not afford new ones. It pisses me off to hear so many people happy about these higher gas prices. They don't think of the impact it has on those who are not well off. Not everyone can afford a new hybrid that gets 50MPG. The higher gas prices have forced me to work more hours a week to keep afloat.
I say open it all up and the royalties the government gets from the oil companies for land usage can go towards alternative energy research and incentives. I will not vote for any canidate who is against drilling. I think we can do both drilling and look for alternative energy at the same time. One can help in the short term and the other the long term.
I say open it all up and the royalties the government gets from the oil companies for land usage can go towards alternative energy research and incentives. I will not vote for any canidate who is against drilling. I think we can do both drilling and look for alternative energy at the same time. One can help in the short term and the other the long term.
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