McCain wants to lift ban on offshore drilling

Genx87

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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...cain.energy/index.html

I am not a big McCain fan but am voting for him for my own reasons.

That said this is one policy I actually agree with him on. The number i have heard is 85% of our coastal waters are currently off limits to oil exploration and drilling.

It is simply ridiculous we whine about energy independence and high fuel costs while not putting policies in place to actually attempt to achieve. I say attempt because we all know this wont solve the issue completely but it is a step in the right direction. We have the oil, why not drill it?

Finally a candidate is talking about our coastal waters being off limits.

 

Xavier434

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Link is blocked for me at work. Does he mention any limits as far as how close to the shores he would want to drill? I want that oil, but I also want to limit how close it is to our shores.
 

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Sen. John McCain on Tuesday will propose lifting the ban on offshore drilling as part of his plan to reduce dependence on foreign oil and help combat rising gas prices.


Sen. John McCain supports allowing states to explore offshore drilling.

"The stakes are high for our citizens and for our economy, and with gasoline running at more than four bucks a gallon, many do not have the luxury of waiting on the far-off plans of futurists and politicians," McCain will say Tuesday in Houston, Texas, according to excerpts of his speech released by his campaign.

"We have proven oil reserves of at least 21 billion barrels in the United States. But a broad federal moratorium stands in the way of energy exploration and production. And I believe it is time for the federal government to lift these restrictions and to put our own reserves to use."

McCain's plan would let individual states decide whether or not to explore drilling possibilities. Watch a McCain adviser describe the proposal »

The proposal could put McCain at odds with environmentalists who say it's incongruous with his plans to combat global warning. California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, a McCain ally, is also opposed to offshore drilling.

Florida Gov. Charlie Crist had expressed opposition exploring the coastal waters, but he said this week he supports McCain's plan to lift the moratorium and would not rule out letting his state choose to drill offshore.

"It's the last thing in the world I'd like to do, but I also understand what people are paying at the pump, and I understand the drag it is on our economy," Crist told the St. Petersburg Times. "Something has to be done in a responsible, pragmatic way."


The current law, which has been in effect since 1981, covers most of the country's coastal waters.

Many officials from coastal states oppose offshore drilling because of the risk of oil spills that can spoil beaches. Environmentalists want offshore drilling to stop, to protect the oceans from further pollution.

"The next president must be willing to break with the energy policies not just of the current administration, but the administrations that preceded it, and lead a great national campaign to achieve energy security for America," McCain will say Tuesday.

McCain on Monday said incentives could possibly be provided for states that choose to permit exploration off their coasts, adding that "exploration is a step toward the longer-term goal."

Tuesday's discussion marks the first in a series of talks about America's energy security that McCain will hold during the next two weeks as he lays out his plan to reduce the country's dependence on foreign oil.

McCain does oppose drilling in some parts of the wilderness and says those areas must be left undisturbed.

"When America set aside the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, we called it a 'refuge' for a reason," he will say.

McCain on Tuesday will also criticize the energy policy of rival Barack Obama.

"He says that high oil prices are not the problem, but only that they rose too quickly. He's doesn't support new domestic production. He doesn't support new nuclear plants. He doesn't support more traditional use of coal, either," McCain will say.

"So what does Sen. Obama support in energy policy? Well, for starters he supported the energy bill of 2005 -- a grab bag of corporate favors that I opposed. And now he supports new taxes on energy producers. He wants a windfall profits tax on oil, to go along with the new taxes he also plans for coal and natural gas. If the plan sounds familiar, it's because that was President Jimmy Carter's big idea too -- and a lot of good it did us," he will say.

McCain will argue that a windfall profits tax will only increase the country's dependence on foreign oil and be an obstacle to domestic exploration.

"I'm all for recycling -- but it's better applied to paper and plastic than to the failed policies of the 1970s," he will say.

Obama on Tuesday blasted McCain for changing his stance on offshore drilling.

"John McCain's support of the moratorium on offshore drilling during his first presidential campaign was certainly laudable, but his decision to completely change his position and tell a group of Houston oil executives exactly what they wanted to hear today was the same Washington politics that has prevented us from achieving energy independence for decades," he said in a statement.

"It's another example of short-term political posturing from Washington, not the long-term leadership we need to solve our dependence on oil," he said.

Obama says a windfall profits tax would ease the burden of energy costs on working families. He also wants to invest in affordable, renewable energy sources.


Controversy over offshore drilling first surfaced in the United States in 1969, after a crack in the sea floor led to a huge oil spill off Santa Barbara, California.

During the 1970s, when many Arab nations launched an oil embargo, many U.S. officials pushed for the exploration of offshore drilling of the coastal U.S. Environmentalists responded by turning up the volume on their cries against offshore drilling.
 

Genx87

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btw I find Obama's response hilarious. Gee Barack, what is different from 2008 and 2000? Gee I dont know, maybe a nearly 500% increase in the cost of oil? That will change even the most ardent enviornmentalist's mind who needs to drive the kids to school.

And exactly how does a windfall profits tax solve our energy problems and lessen the load on american families?

Oh you mean divert the money taken from big oil and give to some alternative energy buddy so he can research how to make our food crops into fuel and raise the price at the checkout lane as well?
 

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I'm ok with more offshore drilling.

I am not ok with Cheney and his surrogates hyping the false myth that China is drilling off our coasts.

He has since admitted that he was lying, but his surrogates are still peddling that falsehood.
 

Xavier434

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Hmmm I don't think I support this. I am tempted to support it but I am also from Florida and really appreciate the beaches and the water not containing oil. That plus I feel that offshore drilling is more of a bandaid solution until we find a suitable replacement. I kind of fear that if we apply a bandaid that is too big then it could result it delaying that replacement. Obviously I don't want high energy and food prices any more than the next guy, but it really is a tough decision when looking at the whole picture especially from a long term point of view.
 

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I'm not particularly opposed to this - assuming the standards/processes used in today's oil rigs are much better/safer than they were in 1969 - I'm also not opposed to new nuclear power plants. However - what is the timeline before any new offshore drilling could actually produce usable gas?

However, I'd really like a federally-backed plan for adding/converting our current standard of gas automobiles & gas stations to something more efficient - lets decide on some standards and get it done - we don't need format wars for the cars of the future - think about how long it will take to modify gas stations all over the country

How about making ALL new non-commercial cars/trucks be hybrid/electric/alternative by 2011?

Let's actually do something instead of just partisan bickering all day, all month, all year, every year.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Genx87
btw I find Obama's response hilarious. Gee Barack, what is different from 2008 and 2000? Gee I dont know, maybe a nearly 500% increase in the cost of oil? That will change even the most ardent enviornmentalist's mind who needs to drive the kids to school.

And exactly how does a windfall profits tax solve our energy problems and lessen the load on american families?

Oh you mean divert the money taken from big oil and give to some alternative energy buddy so he can research how to make our food crops into fuel and raise the price at the checkout lane as well?

If they managed to come up with a solution which did not result in a lack of food along with minimal if any increase in prices in the checkout lane then would you support it?
 

NeoV

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"Oh you mean divert the money taken from big oil and give to some alternative energy buddy so he can research how to make our food crops into fuel and raise the price at the checkout lane as well?"

Now who is spreading the BS Genx?
 

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cuba is going to have china drilling for oil closer to florida than the US allows it's own companies. something is definitely wrong, there.
 

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More pandering for big oil money and GOP support? How am I not surprised. He'll flip on his opposition on ANWR drilling too; just give him some time.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
cuba is going to have china drilling for oil closer to florida than the US allows it's own companies. something is definitely wrong, there.

How close is that? I'm ok if reasonable limits in terms of distance are put into place but it sounds like McCain wants to take away all limitations.
 

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Link is blocked for me at work. Does he mention any limits as far as how close to the shores he would want to drill? I want that oil, but I also want to limit how close it is to our shores.

Legislation recently brought up restricts drilling to 50+ miles off-shore.

Brazil recently found another large oil deposit off their coast. They also are working with the Cubans to drill 50 miles off the shore of Key West and so are the Chinese.

It is silly that we aren't doing more in the way of oil exploration. We have essentially outsourced oil production. All that oil money is going to Canada, Mexico, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela, etc instead of to the United States which could provide jobs and strengthen the dollar.

I also find this quote from Sen. Obama in the Washington Post to be disturbing:
Democratic Sen. Barack Obama joined the criticism, calling the idea of lifting the ban the wrong answer to out-of-control energy prices. "John McCain's plan to simply drill our way out of our energy crisis is the same misguided approach backed by President Bush that has failed our families for too long and only serves to benefit the big oil companies," Obama spokesman Hari Sevugan said.

I must have missed the oil derricks sprouting up all across the United States in the last eight years. It's hard to call the idea of drilling for more oil in the United States a failure when it honestly has not been tried. We are producing less oil today than we were 30 years ago.

If anything, Obama is embracing the failed policies of the past by supporting a Windfall Profits Tax that exacerbated the problems during the oil crisis in the 70s.
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI...cain.energy/index.html

I am not a big McCain fan but am voting for him for my own reasons.

That said this is one policy I actually agree with him on. The number i have heard is 85% of our coastal waters are currently off limits to oil exploration and drilling.

It is simply ridiculous we whine about energy independence and high fuel costs while not putting policies in place to actually attempt to achieve. I say attempt because we all know this wont solve the issue completely but it is a step in the right direction. We have the oil, why not drill it?

Finally a candidate is talking about our coastal waters being off limits.

:thumbsup: I agree, this is one issue that I agree with McCain on as long as he is serious.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
More pandering for big oil money and GOP support? How am I not surprised. He'll flip on his opposition on ANWR drilling too; just give him some time.

Gee i guess we can continue to ramp up oil prices that hit the American consumers harder than the fat cats Obama is chasing. If he flipflops on ANWR Ill have even more respect for him.

The logic fails big time on the left with regards to this issue. I hope McCain takes Obama to task on this issue. Windfall profits tax isnt going to help this issue one bit. Drilling our own god damn reserves will.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Link is blocked for me at work. Does he mention any limits as far as how close to the shores he would want to drill? I want that oil, but I also want to limit how close it is to our shores.

Legislation recently brought up restricts drilling to 50+ miles off-shore.

Are these the restrictions that McCain wants to lift? Also, I assume you meant 50 miles or less right?

 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: jpeyton
More pandering for big oil money and GOP support? How am I not surprised. He'll flip on his opposition on ANWR drilling too; just give him some time.

Gee i guess we can continue to ramp up oil prices that hit the American consumers harder than the fat cats Obama is chasing. If he flipflops on ANWR Ill have even more respect for him.

The logic fails big time on the left with regards to this issue. I hope McCain takes Obama to task on this issue. Windfall profits tax isnt going to help this issue one bit. Drilling our own god damn reserves will.

That is really easy to argue if you are not living near the coast and your state heavily relies on tourism thanks to those coasts remaining attractive.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Link is blocked for me at work. Does he mention any limits as far as how close to the shores he would want to drill? I want that oil, but I also want to limit how close it is to our shores.

Legislation recently brought up restricts drilling to 50+ miles off-shore.

Are these the restrictions that McCain wants to lift? Also, I assume you meant 50 miles or less right?

50 miles or more. afaik the restrictions are no closer than 200 miles from shore for the majority of our country right now. Which means deep sea drilling which is much tougher to do.
 

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Link is blocked for me at work. Does he mention any limits as far as how close to the shores he would want to drill? I want that oil, but I also want to limit how close it is to our shores.

Legislation recently brought up restricts drilling to 50+ miles off-shore.

Are these the restrictions that McCain wants to lift? Also, I assume you meant 50 miles or less right?

I may have wrote that in a confusing way. Let me retry.

We currently block energy exploration and drilling (not just oil but natural gas too) on 85% of our coasts. The only place we have off-shore drilling is off the Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi coasts. This is a federal ban.

Republicans recently introduced legislation to repeal this ban. It would open up drilling along these costs but all exploring/drilling would have to be done 50 miles or more off-shore.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: jpeyton
More pandering for big oil money and GOP support? How am I not surprised. He'll flip on his opposition on ANWR drilling too; just give him some time.

Gee i guess we can continue to ramp up oil prices that hit the American consumers harder than the fat cats Obama is chasing. If he flipflops on ANWR Ill have even more respect for him.

The logic fails big time on the left with regards to this issue. I hope McCain takes Obama to task on this issue. Windfall profits tax isnt going to help this issue one bit. Drilling our own god damn reserves will.

That is really easy to argue if you are not living near the coast and your state heavily relies on tourism thanks to those coasts remaining attractive.

I understand your reservations. But have we had a major issue with the few states that do have off shore drilling closer to shore? And if I am reading my article correctly. McCain wont mandate drilling, only lift the ban so the states can decide. He also wants to add incentives for stats that take advantage of it.
 

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Originally posted by: ElFenix
cuba is going to have china drilling for oil closer to florida than the US allows it's own companies. something is definitely wrong, there.

This is patently false.

Cheney's correction:

It is our understanding that, although Cuba has leased out exploration blocks 60 miles off the coast of southern Florida, which is closer than American firms are allowed to operate in that area, no Chinese firm is drilling there.
 

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Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: ElFenix
cuba is going to have china drilling for oil closer to florida than the US allows it's own companies. something is definitely wrong, there.

How close is that? I'm ok if reasonable limits in terms of distance are put into place but it sounds like McCain wants to take away all limitations.

50 miles

current restrictions are 100 miles from florida's west coast. i don't think florida's east coast can be drilled.


mccain would lift the federal ban on drilling. states still have their own regulations.

one of the reasons that texas has so many offshore platforms is that there is no federal regulation of state waters. it's also one of the reasons we're going to have huge wind farms off the coast in a couple of years, only one level of bureaucrats to deal with
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Queasy
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Link is blocked for me at work. Does he mention any limits as far as how close to the shores he would want to drill? I want that oil, but I also want to limit how close it is to our shores.

Legislation recently brought up restricts drilling to 50+ miles off-shore.

Are these the restrictions that McCain wants to lift? Also, I assume you meant 50 miles or less right?

I may have wrote that in a confusing way. Let me retry.

We currently block energy exploration and drilling (not just oil but natural gas too) on 85% of our coasts. The only place we have off-shore drilling is off the Texas, Louisiana, and Mississippi coasts. This is a federal ban.

Republicans recently introduced legislation to repeal this ban. It would open up drilling along these costs but all exploring/drilling would have to be done 50 miles or more off-shore.

Ok, so I guess what it boils down to for me at this point is an educated opinion about what will happen if there is an oil leak/spill 50 miles off shore from the beaches of Florida. If such a thing could wreck our beaches for a while then I am against it. It's tough for me to say that because I really do want to get that oil for America to use, but this where I live you know? I grew up here and I have seen what oil spills can do. :(

I am much more inclined to support Nuclear Power although I realize that it will take a lot for that power to go from the plant to the vehicles.
 

Xavier434

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Originally posted by: Genx87

I understand your reservations. But have we had a major issue with the few states that do have off shore drilling closer to shore? And if I am reading my article correctly. McCain wont mandate drilling, only lift the ban so the states can decide. He also wants to add incentives for stats that take advantage of it.

I'm not certain about off shore drilling specifically but I recall a lot of stories about tankers spilling oil and I have seen the effects with my own eyes. It is awful. I by no means a treehugger but damn...
 

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Xavier434
Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: jpeyton
More pandering for big oil money and GOP support? How am I not surprised. He'll flip on his opposition on ANWR drilling too; just give him some time.

Gee i guess we can continue to ramp up oil prices that hit the American consumers harder than the fat cats Obama is chasing. If he flipflops on ANWR Ill have even more respect for him.

The logic fails big time on the left with regards to this issue. I hope McCain takes Obama to task on this issue. Windfall profits tax isnt going to help this issue one bit. Drilling our own god damn reserves will.

That is really easy to argue if you are not living near the coast and your state heavily relies on tourism thanks to those coasts remaining attractive.

I understand your reservations. But have we had a major issue with the few states that do have off shore drilling closer to shore? And if I am reading my article correctly. McCain wont mandate drilling, only lift the ban so the states can decide. He also wants to add incentives for stats that take advantage of it.

I also think our technology is advanced enough today to help prevent any potential oil spills. Just look back at Katrina. Katrina cut through hundreds of oil rigs in the gulf but only three were destroyed and the amount of oil that was leaked out was so slight as to be insignificant and was not in any way damaging.

Throw in the fact that these rigs would be 50+ miles off-shore and there would be little to no impact on tourism. Rising gas prices will certainly affect tourism though.