McCain takes credit for passage of bill that failed

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Dari

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What an idiot. Counting your eggs before they hatched and it ends up blowing up in your face. Fool.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14088.html

McCain takes credit for bill before it loses

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and his top aides took credit for building a winning bailout coalition ? hours before the vote failed and stocks tanked.

The rush to claim he had engineered a victory now looks like a strategic blunder that will prolong the McCain?s campaign?s difficulty in finding a winning message on the economy.

Shortly before the vote, McCain had bragged about his involvement and mocked Sen. Barack Obama for staying on the sidelines.

?I've never been afraid of stepping in to solve problems for the American people, and I'm not going to stop now,? McCain told a rally in Columbus, Ohio. ?Senator Obama took a very different approach to the crisis our country faced. At first he didn't want to get involved. Then he was monitoring the situation.?
McCain, grinning, flashed a sarcastic thumbs-up.

?That's not leadership. That's watching from the sidelines,? he added to cheers and applause.

Wisely, in retrospect, McCain initially had been more modest. On Sunday, he said on ABC?s ?This Week? that congressional negotiators deserve ?great credit? for the bipartisan deal. ?"It wasn?t because of me,? McCain said. ?They did it themselves.?

But at almost the same time, McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt was saying on NBC?s ?Meet the Press?: ?What Senator McCain was able to do ? was to help get all of the parties to the table. There had been announcements by Senate leaders saying that a deal had been reached earlier in the week. There were no votes for that deal.

?Senator McCain knew time was short and he came back, he listened and he helped put together the framework of getting everybody to the table, which was necessary to produce a package to avoid a financial catastrophe for this country.?

On Monday morning, McCain campaign communications director Jill Hazelbaker said on Fox News that the deal would not have happened ?without Senator McCain.?

?Senator McCain interrupted his campaign, suspended his campaign activity to come back to Washington to get Republicans around a table,? Hazelbaker said. ?Without Senator McCain, House Republicans would not have appointed a negotiator, which would not have moved this bill forward.

?It?s really Senator McCain who got all parties around a table to hammer out a deal that hopefully is in the best interests of the American taxpayer.?

After the vote, commentators were harsh. MSNBC?s Chris Matthews said: ?He?s like a cavalry commander who said ?Charge!? and the Republicans went into retreat.?
 
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Originally posted by: Dari
What an idiot. Counting your eggs before they hatched and it ends up blowing up in your face. Fool.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14088.html

McCain takes credit for bill before it loses

Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and his top aides took credit for building a winning bailout coalition ? hours before the vote failed and stocks tanked.

The rush to claim he had engineered a victory now looks like a strategic blunder that will prolong the McCain?s campaign?s difficulty in finding a winning message on the economy.

Shortly before the vote, McCain had bragged about his involvement and mocked Sen. Barack Obama for staying on the sidelines.

?I've never been afraid of stepping in to solve problems for the American people, and I'm not going to stop now,? McCain told a rally in Columbus, Ohio. ?Senator Obama took a very different approach to the crisis our country faced. At first he didn't want to get involved. Then he was monitoring the situation.?
McCain, grinning, flashed a sarcastic thumbs-up.

?That's not leadership. That's watching from the sidelines,? he added to cheers and applause.

Wisely, in retrospect, McCain initially had been more modest. On Sunday, he said on ABC?s ?This Week? that congressional negotiators deserve ?great credit? for the bipartisan deal. ?"It wasn?t because of me,? McCain said. ?They did it themselves.?

But at almost the same time, McCain senior adviser Steve Schmidt was saying on NBC?s ?Meet the Press?: ?What Senator McCain was able to do ? was to help get all of the parties to the table. There had been announcements by Senate leaders saying that a deal had been reached earlier in the week. There were no votes for that deal.

?Senator McCain knew time was short and he came back, he listened and he helped put together the framework of getting everybody to the table, which was necessary to produce a package to avoid a financial catastrophe for this country.?

On Monday morning, McCain campaign communications director Jill Hazelbaker said on Fox News that the deal would not have happened ?without Senator McCain.?

?Senator McCain interrupted his campaign, suspended his campaign activity to come back to Washington to get Republicans around a table,? Hazelbaker said. ?Without Senator McCain, House Republicans would not have appointed a negotiator, which would not have moved this bill forward.

?It?s really Senator McCain who got all parties around a table to hammer out a deal that hopefully is in the best interests of the American taxpayer.?

After the vote, commentators were harsh. MSNBC?s Chris Matthews said: ?He?s like a cavalry commander who said ?Charge!? and the Republicans went into retreat.?
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Obama was overly optimistic as well.

At around midnight est lastnight there were enough votes to pass the bill. Everything broke down this morning.
 
LTC8K6

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Yeah, Obama was touting that bill and claiming it as his own on Face the Nation...

His party is in control, and then 40% of Dems vote against the bill...
 
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Dari

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You three can't see the difference? Obama never took credit (and it wasn't his to take). McCain lied and said he did. This goes to show how much he loves to gamble.
 
LTC8K6

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Obama took strong credit for the bill last night when it looked like it would pass. Obama claimed mmany of the provisions as his own.
 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Yeah, Obama was touting that bill and claiming it as his own on Face the Nation...

His party is in control, and then 40% of Dems vote against the bill...
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How are they in control? They have a simple majority in the house. i.e. just over 50%.

Also you left off that less the half of Repub's voted for it. The majority voted against it.
 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Obama took strong credit for the bill last night when it looked like it would pass. Obama claimed mmany of the provisions as his own.
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Right. But it was McCain that took credit for bringing people together when the bill fell through because of partisanship. Do you not understand the difference? Obama never claimed to bring people together. According to JS80's link, he was going to hail the bi-partisanship (that McCain supposedly brought together).
 
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Originally posted by: Dari
After the vote, commentators were harsh. MSNBC?s Chris Matthews said: ?He?s like a cavalry commander who said ?Charge!? and the Republicans went into retreat.?
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:laugh:

 
LTC8K6

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I didn't leave off anything. I added what the OP left off, that Obama claimed credit for the bailout plan last night.

 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
Obama took strong credit for the bill last night when it looked like it would pass. Obama claimed mmany of the provisions as his own.
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Please provide links.
 
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SCHIEFFER: Let me ask you this. You and senator McCain took very different approaches to this. He suspended his campaign. He called for a big summit meeting in Washington.

OBAMA: Right.

SCHIEFFER: You -- you stood back a little bit at that point. Now that this -- it looks like they?ve gotten some agreement, should Senator McCain be getting the credit, here...
... forcing these people back to the negotiating table?

OBAMA: No. Look, here are the facts. For two weeks, I was on the phone every day with Secretary Paulson and the congressional leaders, making sure that the principles that have ultimately been adopted were incorporated into the bill.

I mean, if you think about it, those items that you mentioned at the top of the show, none of those were in the president?s provision. They are identical to the things I called for the day that Secretary Paulson released his package.

That, I think, is an indication of the degree to which, when it comes to protecting taxpayers, I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions.

But understand this. The important thing here is making sure that we don?t have a photo op session. Because this is serious. We should not have been here in the first place.

And, you know, I think the critical debate that we?re going to have to have between myself and Senator McCain moving forward is how do we prevent this kind of thing from happening again?
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Obama on FTN 9/28/08.

McCain gets no credit according to Obama.

 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
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SCHIEFFER: Let me ask you this. You and senator McCain took very different approaches to this. He suspended his campaign. He called for a big summit meeting in Washington.

OBAMA: Right.

SCHIEFFER: You -- you stood back a little bit at that point. Now that this -- it looks like they?ve gotten some agreement, should Senator McCain be getting the credit, here...
... forcing these people back to the negotiating table?

OBAMA: No. Look, here are the facts. For two weeks, I was on the phone every day with Secretary Paulson and the congressional leaders, making sure that the principles that have ultimately been adopted were incorporated into the bill.

I mean, if you think about it, those items that you mentioned at the top of the show, none of those were in the president?s provision. They are identical to the things I called for the day that Secretary Paulson released his package.

That, I think, is an indication of the degree to which, when it comes to protecting taxpayers, I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions.

But understand this. The important thing here is making sure that we don?t have a photo op session. Because this is serious. We should not have been here in the first place.

And, you know, I think the critical debate that we?re going to have to have between myself and Senator McCain moving forward is how do we prevent this kind of thing from happening again?
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Obama on FTN 9/28/08.

McCain gets no credit according to Obama.
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Nor does he deserve any but he was willing to take it before it failed and now that it failed like an old lady he's blaming Obama, what he's really blaming Obama for is a lost opportunity to take credit for someone else's work.
 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
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SCHIEFFER: Let me ask you this. You and senator McCain took very different approaches to this. He suspended his campaign. He called for a big summit meeting in Washington.

OBAMA: Right.

SCHIEFFER: You -- you stood back a little bit at that point. Now that this -- it looks like they?ve gotten some agreement, should Senator McCain be getting the credit, here...
... forcing these people back to the negotiating table?

OBAMA: No. Look, here are the facts. For two weeks, I was on the phone every day with Secretary Paulson and the congressional leaders, making sure that the principles that have ultimately been adopted were incorporated into the bill.

I mean, if you think about it, those items that you mentioned at the top of the show, none of those were in the president?s provision. They are identical to the things I called for the day that Secretary Paulson released his package.

That, I think, is an indication of the degree to which, when it comes to protecting taxpayers, I was pushing very hard and involved in shaping those provisions.

But understand this. The important thing here is making sure that we don?t have a photo op session. Because this is serious. We should not have been here in the first place.

And, you know, I think the critical debate that we?re going to have to have between myself and Senator McCain moving forward is how do we prevent this kind of thing from happening again?
**********
Obama on FTN 9/28/08.

McCain gets no credit according to Obama.
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I think I confused you a bit. I was talking about the passage of the bill, nothing else. I will edit the topic to reflect that.
 
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fskimospy

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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I didn't leave off anything. I added what the OP left off, that Obama claimed credit for the bailout plan last night.
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Ahhh, see that's the difference and what I think you misunderstood. McCain is taking credit for leadership, for going into Washington and getting a deal done. That's why it's so funny... because there is no deal. Obama was taking credit for provisions of the bill, because he thought they were good.

That's why McCain once again looks like a jackass.
 
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: LTC8K6
I didn't leave off anything. I added what the OP left off, that Obama claimed credit for the bailout plan last night.
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Ahhh, see that's the difference and what I think you misunderstood. McCain is taking credit for leadership, for going into Washington and getting a deal done. That's why it's so funny... because there is no deal. Obama was taking credit for provisions of the bill, because he thought they were good.

That's why McCain once again looks like a jackass.
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What's this about McCain being an experienced leader?

you think he would have been able to get his own party to vote for the bill he helped put together. :laugh:

btw- McCain says we are in a recession.
 
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Originally posted by: LTC8K6
McCain gets no credit according to Obama.
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Which is why McCain looks even sillier for trying to take credit he didn't deserve for a bill that didn't pass.
 
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It looks like McCain's many years of experience are doing him a lot of good :p
 
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Looks like another week of pain for McCain in the polls.
 
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